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This Shit Is Just Made Up

UPDATE: 300 is number five.  Apparently, the racial purity concerns of Gattaca fly out the window when the pure culture left over kicks Middle Eastern ass. 

National Review is counting down the top 25 conservative movies of the past 25 years, which would be a rather fascinating exercise in the defining cinematic exercise of a major political ideology, except that it’s the National Review, so all they did was take movies you’ve heard of and call them conservative. 

They’ve only done six through twenty-five so far, so let’s review them.

6.) Groundhog Day

Theologians and philosophers across the ideological spectrum have embraced it.  For the conservative, the moral of the tale is that redemption and meaning are derived not from indulging your “authentic” instincts and drives, but from striving to live up to external and timeless ideals. Murray begins the film as an irony-soaked narcissist, contemptuous of beauty, art, and commitment. His journey of self-discovery leads him to understand that the fads of modernity are no substitute for the permanent things.

I was under the impression that “conservative movie” meant “movie that is actually conservative in message and goals,” not “movie where good things happen, so it’s conservative”.  I have no doubt that one could find a relatively conservative message in a movie that’s about self-betterment, but that no more makes it a “conservative movie” than The Goonies is a pedophile movie. 

7.) The Pursuit of Happyness

Based on the life of self-made millionaire Chris Gardner (Will Smith), this film provides the perfect antidote to Wall Street and other Hollywood diatribes depicting the world of finance as filled with nothing but greed.

And if the movie had been even the slightest bit negative about the market, this movie would instead be a fantastical diatribe about the virtues of the plague of single black parenting that liberals have promoted through abortion and welfare.  Sell them stocks!

8.) Juno

Juno was a critical and commercial success. It didn’t set out to deliver a message on abortion, but much of its audience discovered one anyway.

Namely, that if you have sex at 16 and get knocked up, you’ll find an awesome lady to adopt your baby and you’ll pretty much deal with it.  As long as everyone involved is white.  And you’re too stupid to take twenty seconds and put on a condom. 

9.) Blast From The Past

A decade ago, Hugh Wilson’s Blast from the Past defied the party line, seeing the values, customs, manners, and even music of the period with nostalgic longing. Brendan Fraser plays an innocent who has grown up in a fallout shelter and doesn’t know the era of Sputnik and Perry Como is over. Alicia Silverstone is a post-feminist woman who learns from him that pre-feminist women had some things going for them. Christopher Walken and Sissy Spacek as Fraser’s parents are comic gems.

Can you even name one thing that happened in Blast From The Past that isn’t in the above four sentences?  Anyone?  I tried remembering this movie and woke up seven minutes later with a nosebleed.

10.) Ghostbusters

This comedy might not get Russell Kirk’s endorsement as a worthy treatment of the supernatural, but you have to like a movie in which the bad guy (William Atherton at his loathsome best) is a regulation-happy buffoon from the EPA, and the solution to a public menace comes from the private sector.

This selection points out one of the major problems with labeling movies “conservative” - Ghostbusters quite obviously embraces and accepts the occult, which in the eyes of many conservative fundamentalists, is a giant no-no.  Also, I was under the impression that the bad guy in Ghostbusters was the giant fucking malevolent Ghost which said Busters, you know, Bust. 
11.) Lord of the Rings

Author J. R. R. Tolkien was deeply conservative, so it’s no surprise that the trilogy of movies based on his masterwork is as well. Largely filmed before 9/11, they seemed perfectly pitched for the post-9/11 world. The debates over what to do about Sauron and Saruman echoed our own disputes over the Iraq War. (Think of Wormtongue as Keith Olbermann.)

It kind of strikes me that the whole “insane militaristic thrust for power” and “all-seeing eye” descriptions of evil certainly describe one side of the Iraq War debate.  Unfortunately for the National Review, it’s the side that wanted to go to war.

Plus, Wormtongue is so Ari Fleischer it hurts me to think about it.

12.) The Dark Knight

This film gives us a portrait of the hero as a man reviled. In his fight against the terrorist Joker, Batman has to devise new means of surveillance, push the limits of the law, and accept the hatred of the press and public. If that sounds reminiscent of a certain former president—whose stubborn integrity kept the nation safe and turned the tide of war—don’t mention it to the mainstream media.

Didn’t the terrorist in turn radicalize the true lawful hero of Gotham in Harvey Dent, turning him into a terrorist, the true circumstances of his death being covered up to protect the fragile fantasy of a populace already battered by the growing insanity which Batman only seemed to promote?

But George W. Bush also had a kick ass assault motorcycle, so I’ll give them this one.

13.) Braveheart

A movie about a fucking insurgency rallying to destroy an opposing force?  Really?

14.) A Simple Plan

A defining insight of conservatism is that whatever transcendent inspiration there may be to moral principles, there is also the humble fact that morality works. Moral institutions and customs endure because they allow civilization to proceed. Sam Raimi’s gripping A Simple Plan illustrates this truth.

You could also argue that this is a movie about the corrupting influence of money, but Edmund Burke didn’t say that, so kiss my grits.

15.) Red Dawn

From the safe, familiar environment of a classroom, we watch countless parachutes drop from the sky and into the heart of America. Oh, no: invading Commies! Laugh if you want—many do—but Red Dawn has survived countless more acclaimed films because Father Time has always been our most reliable film critic. The essence of timelessness is more than beauty. It’s also truth, and the truth that America is a place and an idea worth fighting and dying for will not be denied, not under a pile of left-wing critiques or even Red Dawn’s own melodramatic flaws.

Red Dawn survives because it’s a kitschy 80s action movie starring recognizable actors.  It’s on TV all the time, but so is Under Siege 2, a stirring indictment of mass transportation as seen through the lens of a member of the United States Armed Forces.  It’s probably one of the few truly conservative movies on this list, but its political leanings are no more relevant than Terminator or Karate Kid - it’s a movie people remember about bad guys getting their asses kicked. 

16.) Master and Commander

This naval-adventure film starring Russell Crowe is based on the books of Patrick O’Brian, and here’s what A. O. Scott of the New York Times said in his review: “The Napoleonic wars that followed the French Revolution gave birth, among other things, to British conservatism, and Master and Commander, making no concessions to modern, egalitarian sensibilities, is among the most thoroughly and proudly conservative movies ever made. It imagines the [H.M.S.] Surprise as a coherent society in which stability is underwritten by custom and every man knows his duty and his place. I would not have been surprised to see Edmund Burke’s name in the credits.”

I suppose - I’ve never seen the movie, as I haven’t liked Russell Crowe since Gladiator.  But if it is a conservative movie, it flopped domestically just like In the Valley of Elah, which must mean that America hates conservative ideas.  And/or boats. 

17.) The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe

The good guys, meanwhile, recognize that some throats will need cutting: no appeasement, no land-for-peace swaps, no offering the witch a snowmobile if she’ll only put away the wand. Underlying the narrative is the story of Christ’s rescuing man from sin—which is antithetical to the leftist dream of perfected man’s becoming an instrument for earthly utopia. The results of such utopian visions, of course, are frequently like the Witch’s reign: always winter, and never Christmas.

Much like reading the books as a child, the likely reason for this movie’s success are probably 95% its use of a recognizable property in a special effects epic near the height of Pottermania, 4% the fact that Tilda Swinton makes every single thing on Earth better simply for her having been near it, and 1% whatever mess of a rant about Richard Dawkins or Barack Obama or whoever that they just made.

18.) The Edge

The main characters (played by Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin) understand that there is neither wisdom nor nobility in waiting for others to save them, and that they must take responsibility for their own lives and souls. Life is unfair, but to challenge life on its own terms is an exhilarating reward, no matter the outcome.

Again, the “good lessons = conservatism” argument.  Also, I think the stronger argument for the conservatism of this movie is that it shows an adulterous Alec Baldwin getting caught in a bear trap trying to kill the husband of his lover, but that’s just me making more sense than the National Review again.

19.) We Were Soldiers

Most movies about the Vietnam War reflect the derangements of the antiwar Left. This film, based on the memoir by Lt. Col. Hal Moore (played by Mel Gibson), offers a lifelike alternative.

I’m glad it’s “lifelike”, as opposed to David Zucker’s The Vietnam Mannequin.  Not as funny, though.

Again, a movie that barely made money (which is supposed to be the exact reason we can prove that America secretly loves the Iraq War - Stop-Loss flopped!), got mediocre reviews and is as easily forgettable as every other real conservative movie on this list (which, so far, is a sum total of two).

20.) Gattaca

In this science-fiction drama, Vincent (Ethan Hawke) can’t become an astronaut because he’s genetically unenhanced. So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results. The movie is a cautionary tale about the progressive fantasy of a eugenically correct world—the road to which is paved by the abortion of Down babies, research into human cloning, and “transhumanist” dreams of fabricating a “post-human species.”

Putting things in “quotes” makes them “true”, like how “Jonah Goldberg” wrote “a book so fucking stupid that if I had a time machine I would go back in time and kill Johannes Gutenberg so that Jonah Goldberg could never write about Hitler”. 

Saying that eugenics is a liberal ideal does not make it so - a fixation on racial purity isn’t a traditionally “progressive” ideal, unless we’re simply defining “progressive” as bad and “conservative” as good.  Oh, wait…that’s exactly what this entire exercise is about.  I get it!

21.) Heartbreak Ridge

Clint Eastwood’s foul-mouthed Marine sergeant Tom Highway makes quick work of kicking Communist Cubans out of Grenada. And, boy, does “Gunny” hate Commies. Not only does he kill quite a few, he also refuses a bribe of a Cuban cigar, saying: “Get that contraband stogie out of my face before I shove it so far up your a** you’ll have to set fire to your nose to light it.”

When you’re down to celebrating Grenada, you may not have many good conservative movies.  Another movie about a recognizable action star happening to kill a shitton of people that conservatives specifically hate.  You could have made this movie about liberating Grenada, or Mars or the Land that Time Forgot, and as long as Clint Eastwood played grizzled and deadly, it would have turned out okay.

22.) Brazil

Vividly depicting the miserable results of elitist utopian schemes, Terry Gilliam’s Brazil portrays a darkly comic dystopia of malfunctioning high-tech equipment and the dreary living conditions common to all totalitarian regimes. Everything in the society is built to serve government plans rather than people.

I swear to God, they must just watch the first fifteen minutes of these movies and then make the call. 

“I’m about fourteen minutes into Requiem For A Dream, and I think it’s saying that drugs are bad.”

“Good enough for spot number four.  Write it up!”

The terrorists in the movie are made up by the government to keep the population cowed and under control.  The government is making up a military threat in order to keep the population pliable.  If you need me to phrase this a third way, Reagan Bush Christ God Stop It.

23.) United 93

Director Paul Greengrass pays tribute to the passengers of United 93 by refusing to turn their story into a wimpy Hollywood melodrama. Instead, United 93 unfolds as a real-time docudrama. Just as significantly, Greengrass provides a clear depiction of our enemies. United 93 opens as four Muslim terrorists pray in a hotel room. Several hours later, the hijackers’ frenzied shrieks to Allah mingle with the prayerful supplications of United 93’s passengers as they crash through the cockpit door and strike a blow against those who would terrorize our country.

This would have been a better argument two years ago before Rudy Giuliani firesold 9/11 for a single delegate in the GOP primary.  The Republican Party no longer owns 9/11 - it is now officially owned by Betty Minerton of Chipley, FL, who is currently trying to find a proper Rubbermaid to keep it in.

24.) Team America: World Police

This marionette movie from South Park creators Trey Parker and Matt Stone is hard to categorize as conservative. It’s amazingly vulgar and depicts Americans as wildly overzealous in fighting terror. Yet the film’s utter disgust with air-headed, left-wing celebrity activism remains unmatched in popular culture.

Ah, the token “Michael Moore is fat” entry.  The central tension of this list is that the authors are making films conservative by ignoring 90% of what happens in them, and Team America is no exception.  It’s birdshot satire, spraying everywhere in its path, and it forces the National Review to declare a movie whose very title is a critique of conservative foreign policy as conservative, because it spends a few minutes saying something they like. 

I’d call this desperation, but it makes desperate people look bad.

25.) Gran Torino

Clint Eastwood directs and stars in the ultimate family movie unsuitable for the family. He plays Walt Kowalski, a caricature of an old-school, dying-breed, Polish-American racist male, replete with post-traumatic stress disorder from having served in the Korean War. Kowalski comes to realize that his exotic Hmong neighbors embody traditional social values more than his own disaster of a Caucasian nuclear family.

...And we end with a movie about a racist old white dude realizing that other cultures have value and learning from them. 

Really, I think they could have come up with a better list by just writing down the next 25 movies that air on basic cable.  Number 5: Max Keeble’s Big Move.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 11:06 PM • (130) Comments

Well but, you know, they throw a gay guy out the window in Braveheart—perhaps that’s what they like about it?

Comment #1: Halfmad  on  02/12  at  11:16 PM

“Can you even name one thing that happened in Blast From The Past that isn’t in the above four sentences?  Anyone?”

Sissy Spacek’s character drank like a fucking fish and was an asshair away from a nervous breakdown pretty much constantly due to the confinement of the ideal ‘50s housewife taken to its logical extreme.  The take-away message seemed more “look at what the pigfuckers have done to public education in just 40 years” than “suck on it, feminists.”

Comment #2: preying mantis  on  02/12  at  11:23 PM

And you’re too stupid to take twenty seconds and put on a condom. 

Not to mention so stupid that the thought that your fetus has teensy tiny fingernails will prevent you from deciding to end the pregnancy. 

Mice have teensy tiny fingernails.  I still call the exterminator when I see one in my apartment.

Comment #3: The Opoponax  on  02/12  at  11:25 PM

I get the impression that this guy didn’t watch “We Were Soldiers” or, if he did, saw that there was a lot of explosions, giggled, “Huh huh… Cool!” and figured that since there weren’t any hippies in it, it was “conservative.”

Comment #4: Tyro  on  02/12  at  11:28 PM

My kid is watching Max Keeble’s Big Move on the Disney Channel right now. My husband says it’s more liberal than conservative, so it may not make the top 5.

The Edge is definitely a conservative movie. It’s an allegory. The poor, the working class, and the middle class go out into the woods and must fight for their lives against the oligarchy (read: hungry bear). The oligarchy bear gets some good meals in—yep, that’s realistic conservatism for ya.

Comment #5: Orange  on  02/12  at  11:32 PM

I can’t recall - was it Red Dawn or Heartbreak Ridge where the Evil Militaristic Empire attacked and overwhelmed the smaller defending nation?

Comment #6: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/12  at  11:33 PM

I will defend Groundhog Day with my dying breath against these Stalinist aesthetics.  And there’s nobody more narcissistic than Republicans.

I really just don’t have more to say.  I just can’t see a way to have a conversation with the people that think this is spot on.  We have no common points of reference.

Comment #7: NBarnes  on  02/12  at  11:37 PM

Yeah, I don’t think that Blast from the Past deserves to be on that list.  If anything, there’s the point about people being incredibly insane about the Cold War.  Yeah, the neighborhood does go downhill, but other than that, it’s still better in the here then the then.

Comment #8: Antigone  on  02/12  at  11:37 PM

Well Red Dawn is about the Soviet Union attacking the US.  So you’re probably thinking of Heartbreak Ridge.

Comment #9: The Opoponax  on  02/12  at  11:37 PM

I’m just hoping that An American Carol is number one. They won’t actually put it on the list, I bet, but it would be awesome if they embraced that piece of shit.

Comment #10: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  02/12  at  11:38 PM

“I can’t recall - was it Red Dawn or Heartbreak Ridge where the Evil Militaristic Empire attacked and overwhelmed the smaller defending nation?”

You’re thinking of Heartbreak Dawn, where Grenada and the Wolverines spent a hard two days glaring suspiciously at one another before realizing that neither one had boats and so both were going to be okay.

Comment #11: preying mantis  on  02/12  at  11:39 PM

Oh, and a side question—which is worse, this list or the conservative rock songs list?

Comment #12: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  02/12  at  11:40 PM

I’m throwing my vote in for the rock song list: these movies can be considered ambiguous, or have conservativish themes.  The rock songs were 180 degrees away.

Comment #13: Antigone  on  02/12  at  11:44 PM

If they’re looking for conservative, high-grossing films, they really should have just poached 25 names from the comments of Shakesville’s “romantic” films list here.

Comment #14: Floyd  on  02/12  at  11:48 PM

Adding Gattaca seems especially funny, since the dystopian loss of privacy in that film explicitly started with drug prohibition.

Comment #15: hf  on  02/12  at  11:55 PM

Yeah, Floyd, but those are mostly chick movies.  And c’mon, no self-respecting Red Blooded American Conservative would admit to liking a chick movie!

Except for Juno, because the church bulletin said it was pro-life.  But then The Humble Editors Of The NRO totally didn’t see it - they just put it on there for to show how in touch they are with the youth.

Comment #16: The Opoponax  on  02/12  at  11:56 PM

Master and Commander is a good flick.  But conservative?

Everything centers around a British Navy ship, so if you think society should be rigidly structured from top to bottom, with an explicit and unquestionable chain of command, it’s conservative.  Oh, and in this perfect society there are only men, with a few seconds glimpse of native girls being the only acknowledgment of half the human species.

If you think the lash is a good way to save people, by applying massive amounts of pain to put them back on the path of righteousness, it’s conservative.

If you like a world where healthcare is only something you should get in the equivalent of a rolling Emergency Room, it’s conservative.

If you think a world of constant warfare is ideal, even when it’s 10,000 miles from where it should be, it’s conservative.

If you want a world where being over 8-years old makes you a prime candidate for a military life, it’s conservative.

If a world where the French are always the enemy is your kind of world, it’s conservative.

If a world of white people, where there are only one or two POC, doing some meaningless and menial task for their white masters but otherwise virtually invisible, is your idea of heaven, it’s conservative.

If you love a world where most people are semi-literate at best, superstitious, easily controlled by fear, looking for scapegoats to explain their misfortune, and willing to drive somebody who is not accepted in their society to suicide, it’s a conservative movie.

One little problem with it, from a conservative POV, is a subplot that involves the ship’s Irish doctor (and the captain’s buddy) prefiguring Charles Darwin’s voyage to the Galapagos and using the odd creatures found there to question the received wisdom of the biblical creation.

It’s really just a good adventure yarn and a period piece, with really good writing and acting.  Reading modern politics into it is asinine.  But then again, this is the same bunch of idiots who thought a movie about the miserable world of penguins was a “conservative” movie…

Comment #17: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  12:05 AM

Master and Commander is a good flick.  But conservative?

Well, rum, sodomy and the lash are all on the liberal side of the equation…

Comment #18: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/13  at  12:11 AM

In this science-fiction drama, Vincent (Ethan Hawke) can’t become an astronaut because he’s genetically unenhanced. So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results. The movie is a cautionary tale about the progressive fantasy of a eugenically correct world”

What the fuck?

I seem to recall this movie being a cautionary tale about prejudice and discrimination, which liberals and progressives tend to be against.  It is not the presence of “superhuman” genetically enhanced people that is the problem, but discrimination, which is wrong no matter what is used as an excuse, and is no more the fault of people born that way than dark skin was responsible for slavery in the United States.  The issue is not in the physical characteristics but in how the ruling elite deal with them.

Trust conservatives, of course, to ignore this.

Comment #19: Kyra  on  02/13  at  12:15 AM

Yeah, they didn’t even try to name actually conservative movies. I could probably come up with a Top 25 list for them that might even include movies that were held in high esteem. Oh wait, they wanted movies that are still watched by people younger than 60, aren’t racist and sexist in ways too obvious to plausibly weasel out of, or is a chief proponent of an idea you don’t want to remind the public you supported (like Apartheid).

Ahh, I see their problem, especially if they also wanted something universally liked and “properly manly” and free from girl-cooties.

Comment #20: Cerberus  on  02/13  at  12:18 AM

Wait wait wait wait wait.

Wasn’t Vincent’s problem that as a baby / fetus the docs ID’d some sort of cardiac issue? That he was likely to have a heart attack before he was 30? And later, as a child, needed glasses?

It wasn’t that he was genetically unenhanced, it was that he was genetically “defective.” He wasn’t perfect.

If memory serves…...

Comment #21: teac  on  02/13  at  12:22 AM

Not as good as the Rock Song list, but still pretty awesome.

Groundhog’s Day?  Really?  I didn’t get a political message out of that at all?

Comment #22: themann1086  on  02/13  at  12:26 AM

Murray begins the film as an irony-soaked narcissist, contemptuous of beauty, art, and commitment.

Since now, according to this, appreciation of beauty and art are now conservative virtues, I expect we won’t be hearing the National Review whining about NEA grants and funding from now on?

Comment #23: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  12:28 AM

Does this mean they’ll stop whining about how Teh Libruls are running Hollywood?

Or does this just prove that “conservatism” (and good fucking luck coming up with a cogent definition of that word after looking at the supposed virtues on this list) is so awesome that you can validate it evenj if you’re not trying?

Comment #24: RickMassimo  on  02/13  at  12:31 AM

Another thing about The Dark Knight:  Batman accepted oversight and gave someone else the means to shut down his surveillance apparatus when it was clear that its existence had crossed the line.

Comment #25: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  12:32 AM

Vincent was considered “In-Valid” because he wasn’t up to the genetic level expected of everyone above a certain class.

It’s an interesting choice for a “conservative” movie because it describes a future police state, with a massive DNA database, constant surveillance, and ultra-rigid class structure.  Vincent has to scrub himself raw to keep his DNA from being discovered.  An eyelash is enough to cause your undoing.

But they probably had very low taxes, so it’s all good…

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  12:33 AM

Groundhog Day is a conservative movie?  My brain explodes.

No, wait, I see it:  doing good things like saving kids falling out of trees, feeding bums, saving a guy from choking to death, learning to play a musical instrument, etc, are good, so, because conservatism is good, this is a conservative movie.

Or maybe:  learning to like a small town is good, and wanting to get married and have lots of kids is good?  So BM is transformed into a conservative, which is good?

It’s about the most apolitical movie ever made:  a jerk, after exploring all jerky options, becomes a mensch.  It’s the iterated version of “It’s a wonderful life.” Feel free to try anything, but you don’t get the love and wake up with the girl and get to continue until you play the perfect day.  Ok, maybe that is a conservative idea:  behave like a dick for your entire life, then fix it all in one day with a few good deeds.

Comment #27: gorobei  on  02/13  at  12:38 AM

If they were going to be this hacked, why not go all the way?

Jacob’s Ladder: Bad weed causes platoon to kill each other, strong Christian call for a return to family values

Dog Day Afternoon: Nasty queer and swarthy minority folk are properly arrested by good honest policemen.

Network: I only watched the part with the big network exec, I assume the rest was similar in style.

Malcolm X: The n****er gets shot.

I mean, come on!

Comment #28: Cerberus  on  02/13  at  12:38 AM

These lists are always less interesting for what they say about the films (or rock songs, or whatever) than for what they say about conservative values.  Based solely on the explanations provided for these movies’ “conservatism,” the National Review thinks the central values of conservatism are:

1. Dealing with all enemies, political or personal, with extreme punitive force and refusing offers of peace or compromise.  Peace is for the weak.

2. Being at war.  It doesn’t matter what the war is or what it’s trying to accomplish; war is a general good.

3. Women knowing their place.

4. Investment banking.

5. Any negative portrayal of a supposedly liberal institution, even if it isn’t for a conservative reason.  Because Juno personally decides not to get an abortion, the film must be anti-choice.  Because the EPA gets in the Ghostbusters’ way, the film must support industrial pollution.

6. Any value that both liberals and conservatives can embrace equally, like “we should try to be better people” or “living in a totalitarian dictatorship sucks,” is conservative.

7. September 11.  Because only conservatives were upset when those towers fell.

Comment #29: Shaenon  on  02/13  at  12:41 AM

Prince Caspian is totally freaking conservative.  It’s also not very true to the book.  It makes the kids act like total idiots except Lucy (who comes off smug) and only Edward comes out mostly like he is in the book.  I watched the film and kept saying “I don’t remember that happening!”  After it was over I checked and yep, I think they read the Cliffnotes and just filled in.

Comment #30: Vail  on  02/13  at  12:41 AM

I’m pretty sure even Red Dawn is a less than unambiguously conservative movie.

I mean, I might be misremembering, and granted you have to stop fantasizing about the piles of dead, brown-skinned Spanish-speaking commie invaders from south of the border for a minute. But if you do, you can probably see through to the underlying ham-handed message: war is destructive, dehumanizing and ultimately pointless.

(As an aside, if there’s anyone out there interested in investing in a little film project, I think I know how to make Red Dawn even MORE conservative: Basically you just do a straight remake (using the cast from “7th Heaven” or something). Same aforementioned evil brown-skinned Spanish-speaking commies.  But then you throw in a weak-kneed Democrat[sic] President, and a few random scenes of Jack Bauer waterboarding and anally violating naked Arab men with a retractable baton while telling fat jokes about Michael Moore and Al Gore. I smell blockbuster.)

Comment #31: jack lecou  on  02/13  at  12:44 AM

8. Also, only manly macho guy-type movies have values we can discuss.  Because if we admitted we watched “28 Dresses,” even for research purposes, we would totally turn gay.

Comment #32: Shaenon  on  02/13  at  12:47 AM

I would have thought that Ghostbusters was conservative because the message is that if you tease and badger a woman long enough, she has to have sex with you.

Comment #33: Amanda Marcotte  on  02/13  at  12:48 AM

which must mean that America hates conservative ideas.  And/or boats.

We Americans love boats, as long as they are filled with dirty, rum-swilling pirates.

Comment #34: rufustfyrfly  on  02/13  at  12:51 AM

Predator: Republican Politicians shoot alien, w/o negotiation

Comment #35: The Erl  on  02/13  at  12:53 AM

Master and Commander is a good flick.  But conservative?

Our curriculum consists of being on boats for long periods of time with men, just men, for many days at a time. Up on the deck with lots of men, or down in the galley with lots of men.

Comment #36: Auguste  on  02/13  at  01:02 AM

I would have thought that Ghostbusters was conservative because the message is that if you tease and badger a woman long enough, she has to have sex with you.

Then they’d have to acknowledge that 90% of movies are conservative, and there REALLY goes the whole librul-Hollywood whine.

(Please do not construe this as implying that your comment does not win the Internet, because it does.)

Comment #37: RickMassimo  on  02/13  at  01:13 AM

I’m going to give them Ghostbusters, but it’s really more of a libertarian parable than a conservative one.  After all, there was nothing in the movie about “family values.”  Dana not only was obviously never going to marry Dr. Venkman, but in the sequel we find out that she’s a deliberately single mom!  And Venkman’s OK with this!

However, the analysis is true: a group of people perceive a need (people being haunted), contrive a way to address that need (carrying 4 unlicensed nuclear reactors through Manhattan in a backpack) and start a business, performing this service for money.  Their success is threatened by government regulation and only when the government backs off and lets them do their jobs can the city be saved.

Of course, the movie is really about three brilliant comedians making a big-budget Hollywood project together (like Three Amigos, only the plot wasn’t stolen), because who’d really watch it without Dan Ackroyd and Bill Murray?

Comment #38: nekouken  on  02/13  at  01:17 AM

Auguste,

Do you have a preschool?

Comment #39: themann1086  on  02/13  at  01:23 AM

I can’t find it, but the Village Voice ranted about how Ghostbusters was a conservative movie when it came out.

The Animated Series, gleefully pillaging from Lovecraft (one episode has a cult raising Chuthulu off the shore of Coney Island), and casting the always nonchalant Lorenzo Music as Venkman, was pretty fucking amazing.  Well, until they turned Slimer into an ectoplasmic Scrappy-Doo, that is.

There actually was a recent conservative movie that I didn’t completely despise:  The Brave One.  It wasn’t great, but Jodie Foster and Terrence Howard were very compelling in their scenes together (despite the ending, I think Howard transcended the Magic Negro archetype; under different circumstances his and Foster’s character could have been best friends.  In fact, I wouldn’t have minded seeing a movie simply about these two characters getting to know one another without the revenge angle.)

I also confess to enjoying watching Liam Neeson play a badass in Taken, which has an iredeemably mysogynistic view about young women.

Comment #40: NY Expat  on  02/13  at  01:50 AM

I will defend Groundhog Day with my dying breath against these Stalinist aesthetics.  And there’s nobody more narcissistic than Republicans.

Amen, brother.  Murray’s character at the beginning of the movie is the epitome of a Republican male.

Comment #41: DonnaDiva  on  02/13  at  01:54 AM

Con Air was actually a genuinely conservatie movie.

The black libertation prisoner whose book was praised by the New York Times is ultimately a sadistic criminal. The gay prisoner is made out to be a queenish object of mockery, and the female prison guard serves no purpose except to be helpless and be victimized by the out of control prisoners until she’s rescued.

Nicholas Cage plays a dedicated father serving his sentence, but focused on being a good father when he gets out. He only stays behind to fight the bad guys on the transport plane because he wants to stay with his black co-prisoner—whose diabetic and thus helpless.

It’s an example of a movie that feeds into obvious conservative tropes without actually being embarrassingly right-wing or needing any “the movie was good, and thus conservative, because conservatism is good” mental gymnastics.

Now, that other Nicholas Cage action movie, “The Rock,” was clearly liberal because it revolves around disenchanted soldiers demanding that the government make good on its retirement pensions.

Comment #42: Tyro  on  02/13  at  01:59 AM

8. Also, only manly macho guy-type movies have values we can discuss.  Because if we admitted we watched “28 Dresses,” even for research purposes, we would totally turn gay.

Good point.  Interesting to note the absence of a single reactionary romantic comedy featuring an uppity female playing around with a “career” until she is properly tamed by a patriarch.  My god, there are so many to choose from I guess your theory about it turning them gay is correct.  Of course, there’s still the top 5 to go so there’s always a chance that “When Harry Met Sally” will show up.

Comment #43: DonnaDiva  on  02/13  at  02:03 AM

Racial purity was frequently a progressive value 100 years ago when it was a white national pastime on a level with baseball and barbershop quartets. To be honest about that would mean conservatives would have to acknowledge racism and its legacies in a substantive way.

I guess discussions about disablism, paternalism directed at all women and racism are easier to handle if you just point at eugenicists, Margaret Sanger and Charles Darwin while rending your clothes and keening at the top of your lungs instead.

The point of “Gattaca” is that people can transcend their origins. Conservatives, despite their pull yourself up by your bootstraps Horatio Alger-isms, do not actually believe this and by definition never have. They defend social hierarchies and their limitations at every turn. They should not be transcended or altered or corrupted or destroyed or changed in any way.

Comment #44: ellenbrenna  on  02/13  at  02:05 AM

I guess you could kind of give them Groundhog Day: A man whose only remarkable trait is douchebaggery far out of proportion to his actual importance is for some reason special enough that never-explained unseen forces allow him infinite opportunity to figure out the beautiful woman who was his just desserts all along. 

Of course, to do this, you have to give Groundhog Day its most cynical possible reading.

Comment #45: Kyso K  on  02/13  at  02:09 AM

“and start a business, performing this service for money.  Their success is threatened by government regulation and only when the government backs off and lets them do their jobs can the city be saved. “

Obviously you haven’t heard about the upcoming ghostbusters game that is a sequel to the first ghostbusters movie. In it Walter Peck is the boss of the Ghostbusters and the Ghostbusters are employed to contain the ghosts that threaten New York. I think most of original cast with the exception of Rick Moranis signed onto the game.

Comment #46: tootiredoftheright  on  02/13  at  02:10 AM

I also confess to enjoying watching Liam Neeson play a badass in Taken, which has an iredeemably mysogynistic view about young women.

Both my roommates wanted to see this movie, but I had to give the moral high ground to the one who admitted he didn’t need the pasted-on plotline of a man justified in beating the shit out of everyone to protect his daughter: he’d gladly pay to watch Liam Neeson beat the crap out of random people for no reason, or even volunteers.  Because really, that’s what the people want.  Just like Die Hard 4, where the power struggle between the badass pre-9/11 and incompetent post-9/11 government agencies just distracted me from what was really important: OMG Bruce Willis just drove a fucking car into a fucking helicopter!!!11!

Comment #47: Kyso K  on  02/13  at  02:14 AM

I think they really did miss their mark with Taken, as well. Liam Neeson kicks the ass of everyone america hates - the french, terrorists kidnapping white girls… And if you’ve seen it, the last villain.. *dies* Stupid governments are corrupt and don’t really help hard working American older men keep track of their stupid daughters who just need to kept in line!

Comment #48: Tenya  on  02/13  at  02:19 AM

6.) Groundhog Day
Okay, I can see you making an argument for this one being “city bad, small town good”, even if you conveniently ignore the part where Bill Murray declares himself to be God. Their reasoning… what the hell was that sentence? Not only was it bullshit, it was bad bullshit.

10.) Ghostbusters
They’re going with the movie where the city is nearly destroyed because a government official refuses to listen to scientists? Because what they’re telling him goes against his personal beliefs? Really?

11.) Lord of the Rings
Okay, I can see aspects of this appealing to conservatives. It is, after all, about the superior white races battling and killing the evil, dark-skinned lesser races that are grown in mud. On the other hand, the entire theme is that if the heroes do the same things as Sauron, no matter the justification, they will become just like him. I’m also not sure how you can look at Treebeard and the Ents and see anything but an environmentalist message.

17.) The Chronicles of Narnia: The Lion, The Witch and The Wardrobe
I’ll give them this one. Mind you, it does depict Jesus as having claws and razor sharp teeth, and one cutaway implies the Prince of Peace is about to eat Tilsa Swinton’s face… but they can still have it. I sure don’t want it. This was a terrible movie.

23.) United 93
Okay, I have to give this one a big Fuck You. 9/11 was not a conservative event or a liberal event. It happened to all of us, no matter how much you try to claim it as your own.

Comment #49: Master Mahan  on  02/13  at  02:38 AM

An interesting question is: of the movies above, which one do you think required the most spin to present it as conservative?

I’m going with Braveheart. It would fit like a glove as a propaganda piece for insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. It’s nearly perfect. It even has a bunch of greedy turncoats that betray the hero, conspiring a submissive peace that relinquishes the country’s sovereignty for personal profit. This part would be very handy to label moderate voices that seek compromises as traitors.

Comment #50: Nimed  on  02/13  at  02:51 AM

After reading that Brazil was included on the list, I don’t think I will ever be able to pry my face from my palm. 

A year or so ago, my wife saw it with me for the first time.  She thought it was a remarkably prescient depiction of the Bush years, and was astonished that the film had been made in the mid-80s.

If Terry Gilliam even cared what National Review printed, I bet he’d be pissed.

Comment #51: Captain Bathrobe  on  02/13  at  03:19 AM

I’m going with Braveheart. It would fit like a glove as a propaganda piece for insurgents in Iraq, Afghanistan and Palestine. It’s nearly perfect. It even has a bunch of greedy turncoats that betray the hero, conspiring a submissive peace that relinquishes the country’s sovereignty for personal profit. This part would be very handy to label moderate voices that seek compromises as traitors.

You’re forgetting that in their mind any movie that stars Mel Gibson is conservative by definition (yes, I know that includes Gallipoli). 

Frankly, they’re welcome to him.

Comment #52: Captain Bathrobe  on  02/13  at  03:25 AM

Master and Commander’s explanation is brilliant.  Um, hello?  It’s the military.  The very essence of the military is people knowing their place, and it wouldn’t function without it.  Master and Commander isn’t necessarily conservative, it just recognizes the fact of life in any military setting.

Comment #53: keshmeshi  on  02/13  at  03:30 AM

I would have thought that Ghostbusters was conservative because the message is that if you tease and badger a woman long enough, she has to have sex with you.

Mmm.  I dunno.  She puts up with more than she should, given that he’s her employee, but the most “success” he can claim is that she started to find him mildly amusing as well as annoying.  It wasn’t until after he pried her out of a hellhound-shaped shell of petrified ectoplasm that she warmed to him a little. 

The only actual sex we see is Zuul and Vinz Glortho - through Dana and Louis, of course.  And I don’t know about anybody else, but I definitely got the idea that Zuul was the more powerful and dominant entity by far. 

In the end, I think I’m going to go with nekouken’s libertarian interpretation.

Comment #54: Seraph  on  02/13  at  03:51 AM

Teac; that is partially correct, but really his “defects” just made the fact that he wasn’t “enhanced” even worse - my main justification for this is that “love-child” is used, through out the movie, in the same derogotory way that “bastard” used to be used; to denote an illegitimant child.

Vail: i like Prince Caspian because Susan actually DOES something useful, she kicks ass! yes, it was very different from the book, but that at least was an improvement. i think it will show girls, between Susan kicking ass and Lucy continuing to be so smart and clever and resourceful, that Girls are just as Cool as Boys. at least, that is my hope.

Comment #55: denelian  on  02/13  at  04:31 AM

The simplistic, one-dimensional, Manichean mindset never fails to astound me.

Comment #56: daphne  on  02/13  at  04:38 AM

WOW. I just checked out the top conservative rock songs…the Beatles, the Kinks, Bowie, the Pretenders, The Clash(!?!?) What drugs are these people on? I have to say that list was far more outrageous then this one.
Oh and they can’t have “Brazil”.

Comment #57: AdamN  on  02/13  at  05:32 AM

Brokeback Mountain should be #1. LOL.

Comment #58: melvin  on  02/13  at  05:35 AM

But then again, this is the same bunch of idiots who thought a movie about the miserable world of penguins was a “conservative” movie…

A letter to the editor in my local fishwrap claimed that movie was an argument in favor of “intelligent design”.

Like some “designer” said to itself: “OK, I’ve made these birds that eat fish and can’t fly.  I’ll put their breeding ground 70 miles inland, and have them walk back and forth.” 

That made sense to someone.

Comment #59: Thlayli  on  02/13  at  07:00 AM

13.) Braveheart

A movie about a fucking insurgency rallying to destroy an opposing force?  Really?

Actually, I’m prepared to give them Braveheart on the grounds that it depicts a totally imaginary and ludicrously over-simplified view of a rather complex conflict which was completely different in reality.

Comment #60: Dunc  on  02/13  at  08:10 AM

“I guess you could kind of give them Groundhog Day: A man whose only remarkable trait is douchebaggery far out of proportion to his actual importance is for some reason special enough that never-explained unseen forces allow him infinite opportunity to figure out the beautiful woman who was his just desserts all along.

Of course, to do this, you have to give Groundhog Day its most cynical possible reading.”

And ignore all the times the relatively benevolent forces required by that reading refuse to let him say thanks but no thanks to the infinite opportunity.  I mean, how many times did he kill himself trying to escape the loop in that montage of Murray suicides?

Comment #61: preying mantis  on  02/13  at  09:40 AM

Like some “designer” said to itself: “OK, I’ve made these birds that eat fish and can’t fly.  I’ll put their breeding ground 70 miles inland, and have them walk back and forth.”

This is the same designer that yanked the legs off all snakes for marketing fruit. Obviously, some early penguin ticked Him off. Showed up late for the ark or something.

Comment #62: Lymis  on  02/13  at  09:51 AM

I’ll give them Lord of the Rings, actually; David Brin explained it well.

Comment #63: LauraB  on  02/13  at  09:52 AM

I posit that the only reason Red Dawn is still showing on TV is because everybody waits with bated breath for the moment when Patrick Swayze blows a big ‘ol snot bubble out his nose.  And pausing and slow mo’ing that shit back and forth is endlessly entertaining.

Comment #64: speedbudget  on  02/13  at  10:20 AM

Once you get past the scene were the guys all pee into their truck’s empty and overheating radiator, Red Dawn goes downhill pretty quickly.  And it wasn’t too high to begin with…

Comment #65: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  10:37 AM

I’ll give them The Pursuit of Happyness, which was all about a man pulling himself up by his bootstraps while simultaneously having no boots.  It’s one of those movies that really ground in the conservative fantasy that poor people just don’t try hard enough.  If we were really interested in not being poor we’d become homeless and risk losing our children for the luxury of working for no income to enrich our corporate overlords.

Comment #66: Godless Heathen  on  02/13  at  10:37 AM

What’s up with snubbing the American Ninja movies and that one Bloodfist movie about reverse-reverse racism in prison (I think Bloodfist III: Forced to Fight)?

Comment #67: Colin  on  02/13  at  11:04 AM

LauraB, cool on you for that link. I love it and the one Brin did on “Star Wars.”

I bet they’re being purposely obtuse with this.

My bet for their top 5:

5. The Battle of Algiers
4. Erin Brockovich
3. Norma Rae
2. Silkwood
1. The Little Mermaid

Comment #68: witless chum  on  02/13  at  11:29 AM

I once read somewhere on Teh Intertoobz that the best way to explain to a conservative why there was an insurgency in Iraq was to sit him down for a showing of Red Dawn.

Comment #69: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  11:43 AM

Amen, brother.  Murray’s character at the beginning of the movie is the epitome of a Republican male.

Exactly - he underwent a transformation so they don’t have to!

Comment #70: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  11:44 AM

Having known one of the sisters of the passenger who could fly the plane who died with flight 93 (and his likely genetic son, fathered by her gay partner), adding Flight 93 here really pisses me off.  It isn’t conservative or liberal - it just is.  They got lucky that they felt they had a chance to take over the plane, and unlucky that they all died.  We got lucky that they all died trying somewhere where collateral damage was minimized.

Comment #71: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  11:50 AM

sorry - MOTHERED by her gay partner.  The kid always wore pilot jackets and looked just like his uncle, despite his genetic mother not being of that family.

Comment #72: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  11:52 AM

UPDATE: 300 is number five.  Apparently, the racial purity concerns of Gattaca fly out the window when the pure culture left over kicks Middle Eastern ass.

Not the mention the fact that the Spartans were notorious for their embrace of compulsory, state-mandated homosexuality (for the ruling elite, anyway). Although as I haven’t seen it, I don’t know if that actually comes across in the movie…

Comment #73: Dunc  on  02/13  at  11:53 AM

I’m not going to give them Lord of the Rings because their conservatism is not Tolkien’s. Their conservatism is a whining mishmash that boils down to “I’ve got mine, so f*** you, Jack.” In a modern-conservative version, Frodo would have come back to learn that the Shire had been converted to a golf course for Aragorn and his friends, and he would have been happy to caddy for them while commuting from a newly-built apartment block in Mordor.

Comment #74: paul  on  02/13  at  12:07 PM

No Dunc, in the movie the Laconians jaw-droppingly mock the Athenians for being “boy lovers”.

“The Napoleonic wars that followed the French Revolution gave birth, among other things, to British conservatism…”

And the War of 1812. In which our nation fought British Conservatism.

Hey dumbass, the Viet fucking Cong and their insurgency gave birth, among other things, to Nixonian Conservatism. So would a hagiography of Nguyên Giáp be considered a “conservative movie”? I hear he ran a pretty tight ship too.

Comment #75: Sarcastro  on  02/13  at  12:16 PM

I remember seeing Groundhog Day with my parents, neither of whom thought it was all that amusing, but was instead “a pretty faithful depiction of what middle age feels like”.

I don’t know if that makes it conservative. It just makes me wonder what life would have been like if Prozac had been invented about twenty years earlier.

Comment #76: mothworm  on  02/13  at  12:19 PM

No Dunc, in the movie the Laconians jaw-droppingly mock the Athenians for being “boy lovers”.

And this is why I don’t watch movies based on history any more - I’d be tearing my fucking hair out. You want to write fantasy, go right ahead, I’m all for it - just don’t re-use the names of actual historical persons and events. (This is another reason why I’m prepared to give Braveheart to any fucker who wants it. It’s like watching a movie wherein a young escaped plantation slave called George Washington single-handedly launches the Revolutionary War to avenge the death of Harriet Tubman.)

Comment #77: Dunc  on  02/13  at  12:24 PM

By their logic,  Terminator is really just an anti-abortion flick

Comment #78: Susa  on  02/13  at  12:45 PM

Their conservatism is a whining mishmash that boils down to “I’ve got mine, so f*** you, Jack.”

So how did they leave out Wall Street? “Greed. Is Good,” is the right-wing mantra.

And you’re too stupid to take twenty seconds and put on a condom. 

This assumes you have some in your nightstand.  Failing to obtain some is easily explained by 1. A general lack of planning; 2. Ambivalence about having sex (It surprised her bf, maybe it surprised her as well); 3. Shame about premeditated sex; 4. Embarrassment about asking for condoms; 5. Playing the odds as part of adolescent risktaking (who gets pregnant the first and only time? what age group starts smoking?).

Comment #79: Hector B.  on  02/13  at  12:53 PM

6.  Sex ed grounded only in an “abstinence only” regimen, which treats condoms as suspect.

Comment #80: damnedyankee  on  02/13  at  12:59 PM

Predicting the top 3:

3. Independence Day - America saves the world.
2. The Incredibles - some people are just superior to others.
1. Star Wars - big government is evil.

I’m not sure about #4.

Comment #81: jfpbookworm  on  02/13  at  01:01 PM

If The Green Berets isn’t in the top 4, I’ll be really disappointed. 

After all, it’s about using bogus reasoning and appeals to American patriotism to convince an evil member of the Mainstream Media to see a pointless clusterfuck of a war — in a far off nation filled with people who hate our guts — the American/DOD/wingnut way.

It’s awfully reminiscent of some recent event, but I’m having a hard time remembering what it was…

He gazed up at the enormous face. Forty years it had taken him to learn what kind of smile was hidden beneath the dark moustache. O cruel, needless misunderstanding! O stubborn, self-willed exile from the loving breast! Two gin-scented tears trickled down the sides of his nose. But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother. - George Orwell, 1984

Comment #82: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  01:23 PM

This assumes you have some in your nightstand.

Teenagers are pretty impulsive, but I don’t remember having a big problem obtaining a condom when I decided to have PIV intercourse for the first time.  I think I might have *wanted* to do it and had to hold off for a couple days till we could obtain Teh Condamn*, but yeah, sorry, you have to be relatively dumb not to be able to accomplish this. 

* I believe this involved waiting till one of us had time drive a couple towns over to buy one at a truck stop where nobody would recognize us as students of our cloistered boarding school which was notorious for miles around.

Comment #83: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  01:36 PM

I’m putting my money on “To Kill a Mockingbird” for number 1.  I’m looking forward to their explanation.

Comment #84: Jake Squid  on  02/13  at  01:36 PM

NRO never goes for the obvious right-wing movies, like the slasher flicks where every teenager who takes drugs and has teen sex dies.

I have to think, sometimes, the the National Review is just messing with our heads: this is trolling and giving talking points to right-wing relatives to annoy you by explaining how that movie you like is pro-Republican.

Comment #85: Tyro  on  02/13  at  01:53 PM

I’m putting my money on “To Kill a Mockingbird” for number 1.  I’m looking forward to their explanation.

All they have to do to make it a conservative movie is point out that Southern Democrats were for segregation and Jim Crow.  Robert Byrd used to be in the Klan, ya know.

Comment #86: DonnaDiva  on  02/13  at  02:15 PM

By their logic, Terminator is really just an anti-abortion flick

LOL.

Comment #87: KarateMonkey  on  02/13  at  02:21 PM

This is so absurd.  It’s like saying “The Godfather” is a movie about family values.

I’m betting on “Die Hard” or “It’s a Wonderful Life” as remaining picks.  We’ll see if I should return my crystal ball.

Comment #88: deep6  on  02/13  at  02:22 PM

denelian- I give you the fact that Susan actually wears armor and kicks some butt in Prince Caspian, but the “OMG Prince Caspian is so hot” crushing was a little disappointing.  I hope they continue to have the girls keep doing more kick butting, but after the hash they made of the last book I don’t know. 

I vote they’ll put the first Star Wars prequel up on the list.  I saw the movie once and nearly ripped my hair out.  Virgin birth?  Microcondrianwhatsits?  Come on, and basing a fighting force on a genetic trait then telling them not to have families??  Arrrrrrrrgh!

Comment #89: Vail  on  02/13  at  02:22 PM

Seeing as it’s the best 25 movies of the last 25 years, TKaM and IaWL are unlikely to make the cut (unless their math is as poor as their cinematic critique).

Comment #90: norbizness  on  02/13  at  02:28 PM

Ah.  25 years.  Okay, then.  I’ll switch my bet to “Being John Malkovich”.

Comment #91: Jake Squid  on  02/13  at  02:40 PM

,i>I believe this involved waiting till one of us had time drive a couple towns over to buy one at a truck stop where nobody would recognize us as students of our cloistered boarding school which was notorious for miles around. </i>

Opopnax, you slut!  Don’t you know that planning for sex leads to sex! 

Unlike NOT planning for sex, which means <strike>abstinence</strike> unprotected sex…

Comment #92: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  02:43 PM

Is this sentence a description of Brazil

Terrorist bombings, national-security scares, universal police surveillance, bureaucratic arrogance, a callous elite, perversion of science, and government use of torture evoke the worst aspects of the modern megastate.

or the Bush administration?

Seriously, did I hallucinate the last 8 years or did they?

Comment #93: pennylane  on  02/13  at  02:45 PM

I’m willing to bet the house on “Forrest Gump” being in the Top 5, along with “Independence Day”.  For a purely spun possibility, how about “Dead Poet’s Society”?  A WASPish institution crushes a liberal arts teacher for corrupting the lilly white youth.  Plus, it’s got a school official beating the crap out of a student.  Legally!

Comment #94: Samurai Sam  on  02/13  at  02:46 PM

Mike, I’ll see you one green beret, and raise you one Hellcats of the Navy, starring St. Ronnie!

Comment #95: Ms Kate  on  02/13  at  02:46 PM

Conservative embrace of the dystopian genre (as in claiming Brazil and Gattaca here) merely illustrates how incapable they are of subtle thinking. The greatest dystopic criticisms of totalitarianism were written by a socialist who recognized that authoritarianism was sufficient to overwhelm any ideal.  But I guess the NR understanding of fantasy fiction begins and ends with Ayn Rand.

Comment #96: Cris  on  02/13  at  03:01 PM

I’m surprised they didn’t include the following movies:

Rambos II & III

Missing In Action Series

Delta Force Series

Death Wish Series

and especially Gone With The Wind

Comment #97: exholt  on  02/13  at  03:09 PM

[jfpbookworm] 1. Star Wars - big government is evil.

Setting aside that it falls outside the 25-year span, don’t forget that the deep lesson of Star Wars is that the Empire is good.

Comment #98: Cris  on  02/13  at  03:10 PM

“Mike, I’ll see you one green beret, and raise you one Hellcats of the Navy, starring St. Ronnie!”

That’s one I’ve never decided to watch.  I couldn’t stand Reagan as POTUS, and he was a worse actor.

I have, however, forced myself to watch The Green Berets a couple of times.  I had avoided it (and most other Vietnam-related flicks from right or left, except Apocalypse Now) because I lived through the era and still have unhealed memories from that time.  But I made an exception for TGB.

It’s not a very good movie, but seeing it now, as the piece of transparently obvious propaganda it really is, helped me somehow (I can’t explain why).  (Bad acting, bad writing, completely unconvincing, and a waste of celluloid.  But it does have the now out-of-the-closet George Takei in it, as well as the typical late-style John Wayne.  And it’s in color!)

It compares to something like Leni Riefenstahl’s Triumph of the Will, but with worse acting and writing.  And, yes, I realize Triumph of the Will is supposed to be a documentary and The Green Berets is a fictional drama.  But isn’t it interesting that the 70-year old documentary is far more artistic and interesting to watch than the 40-year old drama, even though they’re equally manipulative of their audience…

Comment #99: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  03:12 PM

So, they’ve published the rest, and let me be the first to say to The Corner: KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF OF MY THE LIVES OF OTHERS [#1]! And Gattaca!

I’ll grant them The Incredibles [#2](although awesomely entertaining, I was a bit offended by the message as the credit rolled), but I’m fairly sure Metropolitan [#3] was an indictment of high society, not a paean to it.

Comment #100: draeton  on  02/13  at  03:30 PM

How cna they claim Ghostbusteers was conservative?  Didn’t the giant Dick Cheney made of marshmellow get fried?

Comment #101: rea  on  02/13  at  03:37 PM

The last 25 years?  Okay, then I’ll go with “Die Hard”.  Oh, and “Glory” because it took place under Lincoln, and he’s all they’ve got.

Comment #102: deep6  on  02/13  at  04:21 PM

On Gattaca:
So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results.

Um, what?  They both got exactly what they wanted.  What calamitous result?  Oh yeah, one got death with dignity, which conservatives oppose, right?

I can’t recall - was it Red Dawn or Heartbreak Ridge where the Evil Militaristic Empire attacked and overwhelmed the smaller defending nation?

Perhaps you’re thinking of Braveheart.  Or 300- the most homoerotic military fantasy since, um, Heartbreak Ridge?

Comment #103: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  02/13  at  04:42 PM

“basing a fighting force on a genetic trait then telling them not to have families??  “

The expanded Universe novels do show that some of the Jedi didn’t follow that rule and that two jedi on occasion had force blind children plus the trait isn’t exactly genetic. The Jedi of the Old Republic were a more religious fighting order the thing about no families was likely to keep the numbers low and the Jedi more focused on the order.

Comment #104: tootiredoftheright  on  02/13  at  04:48 PM

I’ve got to disagree about The Incredibles for the most part.  The only truly conservative thing about that movie is the swipe at frivolous lawsuits and the allegedly simpering people who file them.

I know that some think that the message of the film is objectivist, but I simply don’t see it.  Why is the idea that people should live up to their potential conservative?  As long as you don’t say that anyone who fails to live up to their potential (or doesn’t have much potential in the first place) deserves to be left behind to suffer (as Rand certainly believed), I don’t think it necessarily has to be a conservative principle.

Comment #105: keshmeshi  on  02/13  at  04:53 PM

So what are the top 5? I can’t seem to open a link to those…

Comment #106: AdamN  on  02/13  at  04:57 PM

When you’re down to celebrating Grenada, you may not have many good conservative movies. 

When you have a sergeant pulling out a fistful of cash so the perpetually absent member of his unit doesn’t have to work three jobs because the Marines don’t pay jack shit, you might not have a conservative movie at all.

Comment #107: Dr. Squid  on  02/13  at  04:57 PM

I’m not going to give them Lord of the Rings because their conservatism is not Tolkien’s. Their conservatism is a whining mishmash that boils down to “I’ve got mine, so f*** you, Jack.” In a modern-conservative version, Frodo would have come back to learn that the Shire had been converted to a golf course for Aragorn and his friends, and he would have been happy to caddy for them while commuting from a newly-built apartment block in Mordor.

These guys still like to think of themselves as paleoconservatives—conservatives who truly care about maintaining the status quo, old institutions, nature, and such.  Tolkien was definitely one of those conservatives.  Neoconservatives, however, only care about preserving what it’s convenient for them to preserve.  Everything else can go to hell for all they care.  Thus, they care about keeping women in the kitchen, but couldn’t care less about preserving the environment.

Comment #108: keshmeshi  on  02/13  at  05:02 PM

The link Cris provided gives strong evidence for why conservatives should engage in more film criticism—because it produces insights quite revelatory of their mindset like this:

Make no mistake, as emperor, Palpatine is a dictator—but a relatively benign one, like Pinochet.

Comment #109: pennylane  on  02/13  at  05:14 PM

I know that some think that the message of the film is objectivist, but I simply don’t see it.  Why is the idea that people should live up to their potential conservative?

I think it depends how you read the film, and in fact how you read that whole narrative trope (outside of Rand, of course, who made her position very clear). 

There does seem to be a whiff of “equality means everybody has to be the same”, which is definitely a conservative straw-man. 

On the other hand, look at why the supers have to pretend to be the same as everyone else—they’re in hiding because they’re being persecuted for being different.  Persecuting nonconformists and other outsiders is definitely more in the realm of conservative thought than liberal thought. If anything, that particular straw-man about egalitarianism is pure projection on the part of the Right.

Not to mention, of course, that most real-life examples of these sorts of policies tend to come from the Right, anyway.  Republicans are the ones who tend to gut gifted programs, funding for the arts and sciences, and anything else that involves a hint of seeing people as individuals, valuing creativity, etc.

Comment #110: The Opoponax  on  02/13  at  05:34 PM

There actually was a recent conservative movie that I didn’t completely despise:  The Brave One. 

Though I haven’t seen this, it reminds me that Jodie Foster’s been in at least one other genuinely conservative movies that didn’t suck.  Contact, in which a scientist accepts faith in the received wisdom of supernatural beings over her own reason, builds a machine by their design with no idea what it does, and gets to go to heaven and commune with God (actually alien in the form of her late father) as a result.

And of course, there’s Silence of the Lambs- easy to make the case that it’s conservative: federal law enforcement are both heroes and just-plain-folks, evil and twisted bad guys are either queer or effete intellectual snobs.

Come to think of it, why the hell didn’t they put either on the list?  Oh right.  The protaganist is female.  And isn’t Foster some kind of feminazi or something?

Comment #111: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  02/13  at  05:51 PM

“And isn’t Foster some kind of feminazi or something?”

...I was going to say she’s a Feminazi Lesbian, but then I realized that to wingnuts that’s redundant…

Comment #112: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  05:57 PM

The Incredibles? One of the more crucial scenes in that movie had to do with Bob working for an insurance company where he gets in trouble with the boss for not denying enough claims; Bob kept telling too many of the insurance company’s victims *ahem* clients how to get around the company’s policy of denying each and every claim.  Surely that’d make Bob teh eval librul in the eyes of conservatives??  Also, that movie was directed by Brad Bird who made The Iron Giant (1999) which was an allegory about the evils of the McCarthy 1950s.  Are these conservatives really sure they want to keep claiming The Incredibles as theirs??

Comment #113: Catbus  on  02/13  at  06:11 PM

ooh, ooh, i want to play “find conservative movies where they don’t exist” too!

how about friday the 13th (since, it’s you know, friday the 13th, and i’m going to see the remake tonight). cause if you have premarital sex you deserve to get sliced up by a psycho killer in a hockey mask. abstinence FTW!

(which i think someone already mentioned above. oh well.)


or maybe the matrix. because science is evil and if we let it go too far then it will enslave us. also, ignorance is bliss, and fighting back against THE MAN (or the machine, in this case), is ultimately kind of futile.

Comment #114: akzidenzgrotesk  on  02/13  at  06:13 PM

If they’d only waited a few more weeks they could have tried to claim Watchmen for this list.

Comment #115: agolden  on  02/13  at  06:32 PM

“basing a fighting force on a genetic trait then telling them not to have families??  “

I’ve always thought of that “midichlorian” (or whatever) stuff as a retcon to answer the question: “Why didn’t Obi-Wan just round up some young guys and train them to be Jedi Knights?”

Because Jedi are born, not made.

Comment #116: Thlayli  on  02/13  at  06:39 PM

I’ve always thought of that “midichlorian” (or whatever) stuff as a retcon to answer the question: “Why didn’t Obi-Wan just round up some young guys and train them to be Jedi Knights?”
Because Jedi are born, not made.

But that was answered by the twins being the children of a very powerful Jedi, with the assumption that there’s something genetic about it.  The midichlorian seemed to ditch the new age woo-woo element of the original trilogy by assigning a very specific physiological explanation for what gives Jedi their power, while also explaining how the Jedi don’t die out when they’re not allowed to procreate.

I better stop now before I get into a rant about how much I hate the prequels.

Comment #117: keshmeshi  on  02/13  at  07:05 PM

akzidenzgrotesk: given that The Matrix trilogy is a Christian allegory, I’d give it to them if they claimed it (loved the first movie, but the other two sucked balls).

Comment #118: history_mom  on  02/13  at  07:07 PM

Though I haven’t seen this, it reminds me that Jodie Foster’s been in at least one other genuinely conservative movies that didn’t suck.  Contact, in which a scientist accepts faith in the received wisdom of supernatural beings over her own reason, builds a machine by their design with no idea what it does, and gets to go to heaven and commune with God (actually alien in the form of her late father) as a result.

Hated that movie. Hated it. Hated it. Hated it. I remember being in a movie theater with a bunch of yahoos cheering when the government, or priest, whoever it was, concealed evidence so they could stick it to the atheist. That and the overall theme that scientific knowledge is exactly the same as faith. I can only assume Sagan was high when he wrote the book (which I admit, I’ve never read), or so close to death that he didn’t know what they were doing to the movie of it.

Comment #119: mothworm  on  02/13  at  07:13 PM

300, huh?

Passing over the Spartans being a bunch of hoooooooomos who operated the worst slavery system in Ancient Greece, 300 also celebrates the idea of culling out thw weak and worthless children.

And it’s being celebrated as “conservative”, when the average wingnut makes me look like a jock?

Comment #120: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/13  at  07:25 PM

Lord of the Rings

First, despite his attempts to rationally explain Romanticism, Brin’s essay is full of what seem like deliberate mistakes, most notably:

“Was Mordor given a benign Marshall Plan? I think not.” and

“the preachy, secretive and patronizing elf-lords Elrond and Galadriel, coaxing maximum effort from their allies while letting others do the fighting for them”

Both are grossly incorrect. Even in the movies, Galadriel sends troops to Helm’s Deep, but in the books Elrond & Galadriel are doing spying and flanking maneuvers vs. Sauron all the time—in the field and even inside their very minds. Aragorn meted out mucho postwar justice, and the slaves of Mordor were all given their land almost immediately.

Bad fact-assertion makes for a bad essay; I would not trust this one from Brin.

And he tries avoid all responsibility for his words to mean anything by some centrist statement, “An aside, in self-defense. Some readers may assign “left” or “right” political significance to what I say here.” (And so on for a full paragraph of self-absention). I assign “making-up-bullshit-to-suit-my-awesome-idea” to it.

 

Next, Tolkien was certainly a conservative, but that meant something better back then. His anti-industrialism and Catholicism would set him apart from the trust of conservatives of his day, but these quirks were allowable eccentricities, politically speaking. Tolkien had to valiantly fight to prove that his stories’ “escapism” was a laudable goal in the face of the practicality of his day’s conservativism.

But his environmental and little-people-against-the-mighty messages would meet an indifferent reception. The Lord of the Rings came out in installments on the 1950s, and despite being a sequel to the popular The Hobbit, it sold few copies. It languished in obscurity for a decade, and Tolkien accepted that his vision was a peculiar thing that only a handful would ever appreciate.

Until the 1960s, when Ace Books produced a (bootleg but legal) paperback edition in the United States.  And the hippies got ahold of it.

Tolkien was puzzled by left-wing radicals making his book a raging success (but he did take their money: Ace reached an agreement to pay him.) The conservative elements he cherished most (conservation, anti-totalitarianism) were becoming so marginalized from the new hard-line anti-communist right wing (McCarthyites in the US) that it was the young that found a “liberation of the prisoner” in reading his work. (Something he might have appreciated in light of the old literary/cultural tradition of wanderlust.)

 

Finally, I should point out that everyone is allowed to interpret works as they come to them, even the National Review. But if they (like David Brin’s awful essay) make errors of fact or omission try to work for them, then their opinions are just fantasies of kind that no one can believe in.

Comment #121: Yamara  on  02/13  at  08:07 PM

Re Contact

Won the Hugo that year—but SF fans can skew hard right as well as hard left.

I’d think the Christian terrorism in the movie might even give TNR pause before listing it.  Just on the off-chance one of their readers might see it and accidentally think.

Comment #122: Yamara  on  02/13  at  08:17 PM

18.) The Edge

The main characters (played by Anthony Hopkins and Alec Baldwin) understand that there is neither wisdom nor nobility in waiting for others to save them, and that they must take responsibility for their own lives and souls. Life is unfair, but to challenge life on its own terms is an exhilarating reward, no matter the outcome.

Ok, the whole exercise is absurd, but this just pushed me over the edge (so to speak). Some people are put into a position where outside help is impossible, therefore wellfare is bullshit? Wha? Does that mean that all the various shows featureing cops, firefighters, doctors, paramedics, the coastguard etc. coming to the rescue helpless victims are actually communist propaganda? In The Edge they kill a grizzly bear, does that make it a scathing critique of the Endangered Species Act? The crash in the movie is caused by geese, does that make it a chilling warning about the avian menace that threatens our very lives, and the lives of our loved ones, even as we type? In the movie a watch serves to expose infidelity, does this make it a scathing indictment of the role of timepieces in the destuction of the traditional american family?

What is wrong with these people?

Comment #123: Sophist FCD  on  02/13  at  09:32 PM

“The crash in the movie is caused by geese, does that make it a chilling warning about the avian menace that threatens our very lives, and the lives of our loved ones, even as we type?”

Of course not.  That’s simply absurd.

It’s the IslamoFascist birds who are a threat to our very existence…

Comment #124: MikeEss  on  02/13  at  09:36 PM

Like some “designer” said to itself: “OK, I’ve made these birds that eat fish and can’t fly.  I’ll put their breeding ground 70 miles inland, and have them walk back and forth.”

“Oh, and it’s dark for like half the year and dozens of degrees below freezing. And since they’re birds, they’re stuck trying to incubate eggs in these conditions.”

Comment #125: Devonian  on  02/14  at  12:44 AM

RobW:

So he purchases the identity of a disabled athlete (Jude Law), with calamitous results.
Um, what?  They both got exactly what they wanted.  What calamitous result?

I agree. Also, the situation itself doesn’t make much sense. Seriously, in a society with that advanced genetics and technology, why is no one working with stem cell or gene therapy cures that could fix Jude Law’s back? And no one is offering even conventional surgery for “Vincent’s” myopia and heart defect (it borders on stupid writing that he gets black market surgery to increase his height but doesn’t think of fixing the little disabilities at the same time!).  So there appear to be completely arbitrary restrictions on research and medicine in this society… hey, maybe it is a conservative movie after all!

Yamara:

Aragorn meted out mucho postwar justice, and the slaves of Mordor were all given their land almost immediately.

I think Brin was tongue-in-cheekly calling for a Marshall plan for orcs etc., not for the human slaves of Mordor.

Comment #126: windy  on  02/14  at  03:55 AM

Aragorn even gave the orcs the opportunity to surrender. However, having been warped by Morgoth over tens of thousands of years wherein they were especially bred for war, and brought up in atmosphere glorifying violence, the possibility of peace was… probably completely outside their cultural mentality.

Which could be read as an indictment of such cultures as the Spartans, where unnatural selection was practiced on infants, and their culture revolved around military preparedness.

Problem is, the LotR movie were so far warped from the LotR books, I’m not sure we can use authorial intent rather than the director’s vision to say what the movie was. For example, Boromir, Faramir, and their father demonstrated in the book that ambition and militarism are dangerous things, even when war is absolutely necessary. Faramir was the only member of the family who stayed sane, because he’d rather be a scholar and poet than Lord of Minas Tirith.

The scouring of the Shire contains a sort of pro-green-belt message. The Shire is meant to be a series of agricultural communities, but Sauraman turns it into an urban-ish wasteland. Samwise has to restore it’s natural potential. Pro-sustainable agriculture, too; he uses soil from an elven wood to fertilize the lands destroyed.

But all of that was cut or warped in the movie. Faramir is no gentle scholar, and Sam doesn’t get to garden. I ended up really disappointed in the movies.

Comment #127: Samantha Vimes  on  02/14  at  07:56 AM

Samantha Vimes: Aragorn even gave the orcs the opportunity to surrender. However, having been warped by Morgoth over tens of thousands of years wherein they were especially bred for war, and brought up in atmosphere glorifying violence, the possibility of peace was… probably completely outside their cultural mentality.

Of course it’s not his fault that the filthy wogs couldn’t appreciate the wonders of civilized life.

The phrase “brought up in atmosphere glorifying violence, the possibility of peace was… probably completely outside their cultural mentality” reminds me of another situation where violence by “civilized” folks was being justified.

And no, I don’t feel bad at all about chiding someone for their attitude toward fictional races, not after the BSG fapfest.

mothworm: Hated [Contact]. [...] That and the overall theme that scientific knowledge is exactly the same as faith. I can only assume Sagan was high when he wrote the book (which I admit, I’ve never read), or so close to death that he didn’t know what they were doing to the movie of it.

The book was different, in a lot of ways. Ellie wasn’t the only one to travel with the device, and she certainly doesn’t end up concluding that science and religious faith are equivalent. I think it was Sagan’s way of trying to capture a religious experience in secular terms, with a skeptical protagonist. I suppose it was one of many compromises Sagan had to make—an early version of the script “had the sky open up and these angelic aliens putting on a light show”. Seriously, the book isn’t bad.

Comment #128: grendelkhan  on  02/14  at  01:24 PM

Also, to mothworm, re “Contact” the movie:

I’m not saying I liked it.  I’m saying it didn’t suck.

Yeah, I hated the movie’s pro-religious faith, anti-science message as well.  I still say it doesn’t suck because it was well done.  The characters were believable and the actors did a fine job with them.  The story flowed smoothly and kept me interested even as I vehemently disagreed with what it was saying.  The movie was certainly pretty to look at.  And I’ve had a big ol’ crush on Jodie Foster since I was about 12.  The fact that its message is abhorrent to me doesn’t change that the message was well done.  What the hell, we hate Nazis too, but we can clearly see that Leni Reifenstahl was an amazingly talented filmmaker.

Maybe the fact that the message is rotten AND presented very well contributes to my (our) hating the movie.  If it were a fundie message in a bad movie, it wouldn’t piss us off.  Instead, we’d just point and laugh.

Just saying, if these people were serious about listing the 25 best conservative movies of the last 25 years, they really dropped the ball by not including this one. 

But that assumes they’re actually presenting cultural/political film criticism in good faith and not simply co-opting whatever’s popular.  Hardly anyone saw Contact, and the star is a lesbian, so it’s out.

Oops.  My bad.

Comment #129: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  02/15  at  10:17 PM

sigh. the intratubes ate my post. it boiled down to:
Vail: i didn’t like Susan and Caspian crushing either, it was anti-Narnian - but i can’t blame them, *I* had a huge crush on Caspian after the movie smile (what can i say? i like my men tall, dark and broody lol)

Comment #130: denelian  on  02/16  at  03:55 AM

...OK, maybe the film version of Master and Commander is conservative. But the books (the real thing) have as one of their two heroes Stephen Maturin, who is a scientist, a spy, and totally cool with Teh Gay. So take that!

What idiots. The whole list.

Comment #131: Rebecca  on  02/16  at  03:19 PM
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