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Time article mulls connection between slain sailor’s murder to queasiness over repealing DADT

Mark Thompson, in an article in Time mag, “Gays in the Military: Does a Sailor’s Murder Signal Deeper Problems?,” muses that the murder of Seaman August Provost is a some sort of sign that the rank-and-file heterosexuals in the military are not ready to serve with openly gay and lesbian colleagues.

Even as Pentagon lawyers begin trying to ease the “Don’t ask, don’t tell” prohibition on gays serving openly in the U.S. military, the murder last week of an apparently gay sailor at California’s Camp Pendleton has raised new questions over the readiness of the armed forces to accept openly homosexual personnel.

Seaman August Provost of Houston was shot and killed while standing nighttime guard at his base on June 30. His body was found at about 3 a.m. after his guard shack had been torched, apparently to destroy evidence surrounding his slaying, according to Navy officials. Provost was gay, according to his family, gay activists and his MySpace page, and had reportedly “come out” to some of his Navy colleagues. Two California Democratic members of Congress, Susan Davis and Bob Filner, have asked the military to investigate whether Provost’s sexual orientation was the reason for his murder. Local gay activists have also asked for such a probe, and are planning a candlelight vigil outside Camp Pendleton’s gates this Friday, several hours after memorial services for Provost are to be held in Texas.

...The Navy has said there is no indication that the 28-year-old sailor was the target of a hate crime, but officials also decline to specify a suspected motive. “As it stands right now, we have no indication that there is any tie to what may or may not have been his sexuality,” a senior Navy officer in San Diego said Monday afternoon. This officer expressed frustration with blog and media reports saying Provost had been brutalized — in addition to being shot. “He did suffer gunshot wounds, and there was a fire in a pretty clear attempt to destroy evidence,” he said. “But he was not bound, he was not gagged and he was not mutilated.” At least two suspects — both sailors — have been questioned. One remains in custody and is expected to be charged.

This is madness. There are many stories of gay and lesbian servicemembers already serving openly, with their colleagues and commanding officers ignoring DADT. The problem with the Provost murder is not his sexual orientation, but the fact that the military may have someone with extreme homicidal tendencies within its ranks that directed them at Provost. After all, the Pentagon has allowed the number of felons, gang members and white supremacists to make its recruiting numbers; it doesn’t take a rocket scientist to conclude that this would cause problem, if not in this specific case, other ones. And the murder victim’s sexual orientation is not a reason to keep gays and lesbians from serving, it’s a matter of prosecuting those who harass, maim and kill.

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Vigil for Navy Seaman August Provost on Friday, July 10th

The San Diego County-based organization DOD FED GLOBE and the North County LGBT Coalition are organizing a candlelight vigil.  The details follow:

A candlelight vigil will take place on Friday, July 10 at 7:30 p.m.  The vigil will be held just outside of Camp Pendleton, at the corner of Monterey Drive and North Coast Highway. The Imperial Court de San Diego has provided financial support this vigil. Additionally, Organizers are calling upon communities outside of San Diego County to hold vigils in their cities at the same day and time.

Those who live in the central and southern parts of San Diego County are encouraged and invited to meet on the day of the event at 5:30 p.m. at the San Diego LGBT Community Center and caravan as part of a ceremonial “funeral procession” and head towards Camp Pendleton. Activists across Southern California will be organizing processions from other parts of Southern California as a showing of support for Provost and his family, and to encourage large numbers of people to attend. Organizers of the May “Meet in the Middle For Equality” event based in Fresno, CA have sent a call out to their networks in support of this event, and will be organizing groups of people to travel to San Diego from the Central California region.

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* Sailor killed at Camp Pendleton may have been target of hate crime

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 12:07 PM • (16) Comments

Mark Thompson is a contemptible person. He is using the same argument that says women should not be allowed to serve in the armed forces, because some servicemen are rapists.

Comment #1: asdf  on  07/07  at  12:13 PM

asdf, please don’t be an ass.  America’s fine public servants have decided that if DADT goes then they’ll have to let in the nigg-

Oh heavens, sah, did ah just say that out loud?????

Comment #2: seeker6079  on  07/07  at  12:28 PM

The problem isn’t that the military isn’t ready to allow openly gay people to serve, it is that the closeted gay people who are serving (and many are serving perfectly legally, by “not telling”) have no recourse when they perceive that they are being threatened or harassed.

We may, or may not, find that Provost knew he was being targeted or suspected who was threatening him. What we do know is that, even if he did, his only choice was to end his career by reporting it. No doubt, if he truly believed his life was in immediate danger he may have - likely not in time - but on suspicion or hints? Probably not.

Comment #3: Lymis  on  07/07  at  12:51 PM

It’s amazing how conservatives want the rest of us to cave to the demands of domestic terrorists when they agree with conservative ideals, but the idea of even talking about the demands of Islamic terrorists is appeasement.

Comment #4: Keith  on  07/07  at  01:05 PM

And once more we come to Harry Truman in 1948. Just how many Klan members and unaffiliated racists were in the military in ‘48? A shitload for sure. But Harry and company made it clear that anyone who had a problem serving alongside blacks could find a new line of work.
OK it wasn’t THAT simple. There was a lot of foot dragging outside of the Air Force (which had just been created and didn’t have the huge institutional stake in segregation). But Truman made it clear that the objections of racists to serving with other Americans should be ignored, even run over. Not bad for a Missouri farm boy who admitted that he didn’t join the Klan in the 20s only because the local party machine dislike the Klan’s anti-Catholicism.

Comment #5: histro-geek  on  07/07  at  01:33 PM

I’m concerned about the armed forces’ readiness to accept those who would murder their fellow servicemen or -women.

Comment #6: Orange  on  07/07  at  01:45 PM

Gays are bad and a detriment to morale, but murderers, gang members, white supremacists, and rapists constitue “A Few Good Men” in Camp Pendleton.

Comment #7: Keori  on  07/07  at  03:37 PM

Another classic “people wouldn’t be murdered for being gay if there were no gay people” distraction. 

Sure.  But those people who would murder people for being gay would then find other reasons to justify their homicidal behavior.  All this “argument” does is enable those homicidal whackjobs.

Comment #8: Ms Kate  on  07/07  at  04:22 PM

The problem isn’t that the military isn’t ready to allow openly gay people to serve, it is that the closeted gay people who are serving (and many are serving perfectly legally, by “not telling”) have no recourse when they perceive that they are being threatened or harassed.

Would he have had recourse if he was serving openly?  It’s not like the military gives a flying fuck when women service members are harassed, threatened, stalked, or raped.

Comment #9: keshmeshi  on  07/07  at  04:53 PM

This is not an argument for continuing DADT.  This is an argument for repealing it.  Repeal it.  Let every service person know that discriminiation on basis of sexual orientation is unacceptable and will have him/her drummed out of the corp and sent to Leavenworth. 


Voila.  Problem solved.

Would also work on rape, should the armed services ever care to enforce their regulations.  I would hope with a new commander-in-chief we could hope for better.

Comment #10: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  07/07  at  05:01 PM

Another classic “people wouldn’t be murdered for being gay if there were no gay people” distraction.

No kidding.  This seems to suggest that these soldiers are normally rational, well-behaved, upstanding citizens trained to kill who would otherwise be exemplary people but the gay just made them go apeshit.

Comment #11: pennylane  on  07/07  at  05:02 PM

It’s especially repellent when you consider that the standard BS line justifying DADT is that having gays serving openly could “undermine unit cohesion.” Tell me, Mr. Thompson, which would undermine unit cohesion more, an openly gay member of the military or one who murders his fellow troops?

I suppose one positive note is that Thompson doesn’t seem to have found anyone in the military who will put forth this disgraceful point of view, even off the record; so he’s forced to speculate on it himself.

Comment #12: Redshift  on  07/07  at  05:37 PM

This story is getting airplay in Houston. Maybe Provost was killed because he was gay, maybe he was’t. Maybe provost was an asshole to those under his command. Maybe he was fragged. Maybe he knew a fragging was in play but did not report it because he might out himself and lose the chance at half retirement pay.

Comment #13: Bacopa  on  07/07  at  11:38 PM

Agreeing with Bacopa that it’s way too soon to tell if his sexuality had anything to do with his murder.  I’m kind of impressed that the Navy itself seems to be downplaying it- in the past, they’d have held it up as the primary cause.

Remember the USS Iowa disaster?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Iowa_turret_explosion

Huge gun turret explosion during a sea trial in 1989, killed 47 sailors.  One of the sailors turned out to be gay, so the Navy’s initial story was that it was all his fault- some kind of mass murder/suicide over a broken love affair.

Turned out it had a lot more to do with poor training, stressful conditions, moving way too quickly to impress the observing brass, and outdated ammunition.  In other words, entirely the fault of the Navy itself.  But there was a gay guy among the dead, so they blamed it all on him.

Comment #14: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  07/08  at  05:58 AM

RobW:
Was Hartwig really gay, or did they just have enough to make their BS story believable?

Comment #15: seeker6079  on  07/08  at  08:36 AM

Hmm, actually no, he wasn’t.  Which kind of makes it worse: the Navy invented a gay sailor, counting on Americans’ homophobia to distract from their own culpability and destroyed his name and his grieving family in the process rather than admit they fucked up.  I’d forgotten that particular fact: Hartwig was actually straight.

Comment #16: Chocolate Covered Cotton  on  07/08  at  11:27 AM
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