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Tina Fey gives nerds hope

This Vanity Fair profile of Tina Fey is both intriguing and unbelievably irritating, because Maureen Dowd wrote it.  Dowd is more than a little obsessed with Fey’s looks (though it’s depressing but interesting that Fey had to lose 30 pounds and learn to ape the sexy librarian look before she got to be on TV—-it’s the sort of thing that makes even the most ardent feminist stick to salad if she wants to get anywhere in this world), and it even seems like Dowd really can’t comprehend a woman who has a big but not ugly scar on her face who might not really care that much about it.  She quotes “30 Rock” against Fey, her friends, and her husband’s relative indifference to the scar, as if it reveals the real truth.

I wonder how the scar affected Fey in high school. “She wasn’t Rocky Dennis developing a sense of humor because of her looks, like in Mask,” says Damian Holbrook, laughing. Liz Lemon’s blustery Republican boss, Jack Donaghy, played with comic genius by Alec Baldwin, tells Lemon, “I don’t know what happened in your life that caused you to develop a sense of humor as a coping mechanism. Maybe it was some sort of brace or corrective boot you wore during childhood, but in any case I’m glad you’re on my team.”

Ooooh burn.  Except not.  I wonder if Dowd realizes that other writers can in fact write without projecting all their issues out into the world. 

But what makes it a fun read anyway is the way it gives those with a terminal case of nerdiness hope.  Because by all accounts, Tina Fey was a giant nerd growing up.  Really, it’s fucking adorable reading her husband’s account of their days in Chicago before they married.  (They’ve been together 14 years.)

And as for her clothes: “Things that didn’t match. She used to wear crazy boots. She would wear just a lot of knee-length frumpy dresses with thrift-store sweaters and kind of what was comfortable. It still looked kind of cool on her. I used to get all my suits in thrift stores, because I realized I was the size of little old men who were dying.” The five-foot-three-and-a-half Richmond says they bonded over hot veal sandwiches and their appreciation of “sarcastic humor and Garry Shandling shows.”

So for high school losers who didn’t even realize blooming was possible until your 30s, there’s hope.  I’m truly impressed, in fact.  I like Fey even more, if such a thing could even be possible.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:35 PM • (54) Comments

it’s the sort of thing that makes even the most ardent feminist stick to salad if she wants to get anywhere in this world

Or, perhaps, it’s the kind of thing that makes ardent feminists who know how people’s bodies work say “Fuck it!” to the idea of getting “anywhere in this world” where they’ll be judged by their body mass.

Because amazingly enough, not everyone who’s fat, chunky, or average can starve themselves thin even if they want to.  And they shouldn’t want to.

Comment #1: JupiterPluvius  on  12/01  at  07:05 PM

I still can’t believe she won the Pulitzer.  Her writing style is acerbic and captious and depressing.  I’ve only ever seen her on Bill Maher’s show, but that’s how she comes off in person too.

The weight loss reminds me of Margaret Cho’s tale of losing 30 lbs in a month and wrecking her kidneys.

I love nerds.  And Tina.  Good people.

Comment #2: deep6  on  12/01  at  07:13 PM

Oh, by “her” I meant Dowd.  Not Fey.  smile

Comment #3: deep6  on  12/01  at  07:15 PM

But what makes it a fun read anyway is the way it gives those with a terminal case of nerdiness hope.  Because by all accounts, Tina Fey was a giant nerd growing up.

I just caught up with Season 2 of 30 Rock over the past couple of weeks, and she plays up her geekiness up in a few flashbacks. In one, she talks about her “wild year abroad in Germany”—cut to a younger version of Liz enthusiastically taking photos in a bird taxidermy museum. In another, she talks about how she hasn’t stayed up all night partying since college—cut to the younger version eagerly plotting out a paper-and-pencil D&D;dungeon in her dorm room.

Unrelated to the nerdiness, the best line still remains Liz Lemon’s father, Richard, insisting on picking up the cheque for dinner by chirping: “It wouldn’t be a Lemon party without Old Dick!” They’re lucky the network censors don’t know about the “lemon party” shock site (link is safe-for-work Wikipedia entry—do NOT seek out the actual image).

I wonder if Dowd realizes that other writers can in fact write without projecting all their issues out into the world.

Not that I’ve seen. With Dowd, it’s all politics and culture through through her “why can’t I find my Mr. Big?” chick-lit sensibility.

Comment #4: Gracchus  on  12/01  at  07:22 PM

Jupiter, I’m not especially interested in playing a game where you don’t get to be a feminist if these sorts of things get to you.  Fey couldn’t get on air unless she lost 30 pounds.  That sort of ridiculous and sexist beauty standard needs to go, but I’m not interested in making someone feel guilty because she made a sacrifice for her career.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/01  at  07:25 PM

Oh, Gracchus, I was unfamiliar with that internet tradition and now I get that joke (for better or worse).

Comment #6: annejumps  on  12/01  at  07:26 PM

However, I will ride Dowd’s ass from here to eternity for promoting the idea that there’s something right and good about the double standards put on women.

Comment #7: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/01  at  07:28 PM

Oh, Gracchus, I was unfamiliar with that internet tradition and now I get that joke (for better or worse).

Trust me, you’re better off learning about it this way than the way I did.

Comment #8: Gracchus  on  12/01  at  07:35 PM

I am in love with Governess Palin and watch her everytime she’s on that Saturday night show.  Unlike my state, Alaska is free of gigantic herds of rabid pelicans blackening the skies with their horrible visages, thanks to the airborne wildlife management practices of Miss Palin, showing that she’s nowhere near as encompitent as the DEMONcraps said she was.  I am hoping that she will soon blindly date me and then betroth me, having my Rugged offspring after flying around the world when her water breaks.

Comment #9: Rugged in Montana  on  12/01  at  07:49 PM

Wait, Tina Fey has a scar? I’m a straight guy who does find Tina HAWT as well as very talented and frankly I never saw a scar at all.
Shows what Maureen Dowd knows. She probably thinks Padma Lakshmi eats gourmet food as a coping mechanism for the burns on her arm.

Comment #10: histrogeek  on  12/01  at  07:59 PM

I also never noticed any scar on Tina Fey.

Comment #11: GumbyAnne  on  12/01  at  08:09 PM

Where’s all the Scott Adsit-love? He masturbated to a guy talking about monster parties on Mr. Show, for God’s sake*!

* the 5:55 mark. Totally SFW!.

Comment #12: norbizness  on  12/01  at  08:10 PM

But what makes it a fun read anyway is the way it gives those with a terminal case of nerdiness hope.

But, nerdy is the new chic!  Between Tina Fey and Barack Obama, ought-eight is the year of the nerdlicious.

Comment #13: Big Bad Bald Bastard  on  12/01  at  08:23 PM

They cover it up well with make-up.  It is pretty huge, but I don’t think it’s especially disfiguring.  It reaches from her cheek to her chin, and even though her make-up artist is good, sometimes you can see it, since it’s pretty deep. You can see it here.  And you can see why everyone in the world who is not Maureen Dowd would fail to see that scar as some sort of albatross around her neck.  I myself was unaware that there was any sort of stigma against women having scars that weren’t disfiguring.  I like to show off the one on my scalp where a cat scratched me.  Am I breaking an unspoken rule of proper womanhood?

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/01  at  08:28 PM

You know, I wouldn’t have even noticed the scar, even in that photo, had it not been pointed out to me beforehand.

Comment #15: Ben D.  on  12/01  at  08:31 PM

Dowd has real, major issues, that’s for sure.

Comment #16: Ben D.  on  12/01  at  08:35 PM

Ouch.  I agree that the scar (which I was also unaware of) isn’t particularly disfiguring, it looks like it really hurt going on.

Comment #17: Seraph  on  12/01  at  08:38 PM

I never viewed the scar as disfiguring… I always figured it was the sort of thing that one gets from one of the typical childhood mishaps… I have a couple of scars like that on my forehead, though not on my cheek as she does. My point is that I never viewed her scar as something particularly unusual or surprising… I didn’t realize that the scar went beyond your normal everyday childhood accident.

Comment #18: Tyro  on  12/01  at  08:41 PM

Personally, I’ve always found female scars to be pretty much the same as male scars: most are essentially just wounds that stayed, and just look painful (if they’re noticeable at all).  Just the right scar in just the right place, however, can be roguishly attractive. 

BTW - a story-worthy scar from a cat scratch?  What were you doing, cuddling a lynx?

Comment #19: Seraph  on  12/01  at  08:43 PM

Perhaps it was a conservative cat who smelled that Amanda was some kind of were-liberal as a kid…

Comment #20: shah8  on  12/01  at  09:11 PM

BTW - a story-worthy scar from a cat scratch?  What were you doing, cuddling a lynx?

Cats can dig deep, at the proper angle.

When I was a teen, I had some nasty-looking cat scratch scars across one of my arms, probably about 3 inches long . . . and they looked like they could be cutting scars. They were really from the back claws of one of the family cats, who had used my arm as a launching pad one day.

(Had because they’ve faded a lot in the years past and are only apparent nowadays if I have a tan. It’s been like 7 years since I last had a tan. I can find them, but most people aren’t going to notice them.)

My sister also gave me a good one right across the wrist, with her fingernail. People still notice that one.

Comment #21: hp  on  12/01  at  09:13 PM

I have a four inch scar on my left forearm that I got in highschool, and I’m in my 40’s now. There used to be a two inch one right next to it, but it faded over the decades. I got it in a deli where a semi-feral cat lived. I insisted on picking her up and trying to pet her despite her reluctance and she let me know about it the hard way.

I learned my lesson, tho. If a cat says no, she means NO! Lol

Comment #22: KMac  on  12/01  at  09:14 PM

I’ve also got some spectacular cat scars—the really prominent one right now is on my upper left arm, which our 12-pound cat decided to use as a launching pad.  It’s partially my fault, though—I always scar if I pick at the scabs, and yet I always pick at the scabs.  I also have a lovely cat bite scar on my leg where my brother’s cat bit me—I actually had to go to the emergency room for that one.  It’s small, but godDAMN it hurt like a sonuvabitch.  Plus I had to take three antibiotics since cat bites get infected much more easily than dog bites.

I used to have a really good one on the back of my hand where someone’s spiral notebook in high school dragged against my hand when we were changing classes, but it’s very hard to see now since it happened over 20 years ago.

Comment #23: Mnemosyne  on  12/01  at  09:38 PM

Ah, I was a baby, and my mom was walking up to the door holding me, and the cat was hanging on the screen door.  And he launched off, my mom turned around to shelter me, and the cat went over her shoulder, and managed to snag my head (probably not on purpose) going down.  Blood everywhere, my mom’s freaking out, since I’m like a little baby (6 months, probably), but it turned out that I was mostly okay.  Don’t think it needed stitches, though they had to shave my hair into a little mohawk to confirm.  But it’s a big scar because I was a wee baby.

Comment #24: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/01  at  09:41 PM

Actually, I think that imperfection makes Tina even more attractive because she’s made peace with it - much the same as Padma Lakshmi doesn’t cover up the shoulder scar she got in a car wreck as a teenager.

Comment #25: CHV  on  12/01  at  09:46 PM

Actually, I think that imperfection makes Tina even more attractive because she’s made peace with it - much the same as Padma Lakshmi doesn’t cover up the shoulder scar she got in a car wreck as a teenager.

Actually, I think she makes it look like a laugh line. Dunno about you, but THAT is sexy to me.

Comment #26: gwangung  on  12/01  at  11:00 PM

Just a few weeks ago my cat got me right under my tear duct. If I wasn’t wearing glasses she would have gotten my eyeball.

I have a photo that looks like I’m crying blood. It’s great!

Comment #27: kaje  on  12/01  at  11:06 PM

Dowd wrote it? Sorry, life’s too short to click on that link, and I’m not going to make an exception for Tina Fey.

Comment #28: befuggled  on  12/01  at  11:58 PM

“Where’s all the Scott Adsit-love? He masturbated to a guy talking about monster parties on Mr. Show, for God’s sake*!”

Not to mention Stephen Colbert’s unabashed ubergeeking on Lord of the Rings when the movies hit.

Comment #29: preying mantis  on  12/02  at  12:21 AM

I don’t know if it’s already been brought up but Fey talks about her scar in the interview and it wasn’t just a childhood mishap, when she was five she was attacked by a stranger who cut her when she was alone in her front yard, which I find terrifying even though it happened a long time ago and she seems to have gotten over it. I know previously she wouldn’t discuss how she got the scar in any interviews.

Comment #30: UltraMagnus  on  12/02  at  01:08 AM

I didn’t realize that the scar went beyond your normal everyday childhood accident.

Yeah. According to the article, when Fey was five, she was playing outside in her front yard when a stranger walked up to her and slashed her face.

Horrifying.

Comment #31: flea  on  12/02  at  01:15 AM

Ultramagnus beat me to it. Sorry for the echo!

Comment #32: flea  on  12/02  at  01:15 AM

An ex of mine has a very visible scar cutting diagonally across the point of her chin.  Not disfiguring, but very much there.  She said it was from a childhood biking accident, but I still maintain that it’s a dueling scar from her wild youth.  ^_^

Comment #33: NBarnes  on  12/02  at  01:33 AM

I never saw the scare either. It was news to me.

Comment #34: dooflow  on  12/02  at  01:50 AM

(1) Famous people lie through their fucking teeth about “what they were like before they were famous”.

(2) Dowd is the most heinous evil depraved media scuzbucket alive. Period.

Comment #35: Comrade PhysioProf  on  12/02  at  02:38 AM

Scar?  I guess there is a scar there.  What I see in that picture is one seriously attractive woman.  Maybe Dowd should try a scar.

Comment #36: forked tongue  on  12/02  at  03:02 AM

I too have a rather large scar on my cheek (from a cat, no less), but for the most part I don’t notice it anymore.  Sure, I got teased and called “scarface” until junior high, but more often I was called “nerd”. It’s really less about making peace with the scar than that I’ve had it as long as I can remember and it’s just my face.  Maybe it helps that I am fairly attractive (though when I was an adolescent I did not think of myself that way but still was okay with my scars). Most people now say they don’t notice them until I mention it. I may be projecting but it’s probably similar for Tina Fey.

I’m sure being in entertainment, Fey had to confront her scar in a way she hadn’t since childhood but when it’s something that has become part of the contours of your face the pressure to change it is really far less than weight.  I can’t explain it but visible scars FEEL different than other “imperfections” as far as the pressure to live up to a beauty standard.

Comment #37: history_mom  on  12/02  at  03:55 AM

All these stories…WHY the FUCK do people own cats???  “Oh, this slashing hurt just a little.”  You know what doesn’t hurt at all?  Not getting slashed by the furry leeches.

Comment #38: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  12/02  at  05:18 AM

Eric, my cats were sweet more often than people are. But they do sometimes panic, or react to pain (don’t pet an older cat on the hip. They often develop a tender area they protect), or even just run exuberant. And in such cases, their tiny little claws can catch very well on human skin. My cat apologized whenever she hurt me, more immediately and sincerely than most humans.

Do you cross roads? Drive? Car accidents cause a lot more damage than cat scratches do. You know what doesn’t hurt at all? Sealing yourself inside a padded room.

Comment #39: Samantha Vimes  on  12/02  at  06:49 AM

Oh Comrade, I believe her.  I’ve seen the pictures. 

Eric, people who don’t like cats have just never gotten to know one.

Comment #40: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/02  at  11:43 AM

WHY the FUCK do people own cats???  “Oh, this slashing hurt just a little.” You know what doesn’t hurt at all?  Not getting slashed by the furry leeches.

It doesn’t happen that often, is why.  A lot of cats learn (once they’re past kittenhood) to keep their claws in most of the time, and I trim my cat’s claws regularly, so even when she does get excited and forget to pull them in she doesn’t usually do much damage.  She’s scratched me a number of times, but never deeply enough to scar. 

And then there are the snuggles, the headbutts, the purring, the inexplicable and hilarious kitty habits, the nice furry belly to pet…

Comment #41: killjoy  on  12/02  at  12:04 PM

I’ve always found Fey’s scar endearing, but I’m sad to find out how she got it.  It’s funny that the media is just now discovering how sexy nerds can be.  I’ve always found nerds, (smart, a little quirky socially) to be supremely attractive, and my husband is quite nerdy and a philatelist to boot.

Comment #42: Olivia  on  12/02  at  12:17 PM

He collects guys named Phil?

I saw an interesting program on house cats, but I’m not going to divulge some of the snippets of knowledge I gleaned from it, preferring instead to hoard them for the next cat-related thread. OK, one: purring =/= contentment.

Comment #43: norbizness  on  12/02  at  01:18 PM

Fey couldn’t get on air unless she lost 30 pounds.  That sort of ridiculous and sexist beauty standard needs to go, but I’m not interested in making someone feel guilty because she made a sacrifice for her career.

I’m not saying that Fey should feel guilty for doing what she felt she needed to do to conform to the expectations of a toxically sexist work environment.

I’m saying that feminists shouldn’t take that work environment for granted.  I read your comment as taking it for granted.  Something to think about.

My point was that one of the reasons there aren’t more feminists in TV is that a lot of feminists choose to follow other paths rather than conforming to the sexist expectations around them.  That doesn’t make Fey wrong for choosing to go along with the industry’s body expectations, but it does make the TV industry impoverished by limiting its access to a pool of brilliant and talented women who either won’t or can’t make their bodies look like the TV norm.

Comment #44: JupiterPluvius  on  12/02  at  02:13 PM

I don’t take for granted.  If I had, I wouldn’t have mentioned it, nor made a joke about it meant to highlight how ridiculous it is.  But I’m glad to find out it’s another example of how it’s the humor that masked the point.

Comment #45: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/02  at  03:11 PM

Regarding changing your look to make it on teevee, check out Rachel Maddow. Don’t get me wrong, I love Rachel, but she’s clearly made some concessions: more make-up, more feminine clothing etc… And remember the change when Greta van Sustern got her own show on Faux? It’s just the way it is in the entertainment biz, I guess. Interestingly, like Tina Fey, I believe Great has a similar, very subtle, scar-on-the-face issue. (She’s nowhere near as hawt as Tina though).

Comment #46: Hornet  on  12/02  at  03:41 PM

Fey recalls she was at her heaviest in Chicago and, later, sitting at a desk at S.N.L. “I’m five four and a half, and I think I was maxing out at just short of 150 pounds

Well, thank god she lost ALL THAT WEIGHT. Seriously! Everyone knows the thinner you get, the funnier you are. I mean, look at Dawn French, Jennifer Saunders, Hattie Jacques, Patricia Routledge, Mollie Sugden, that girl from Spaced who they allowed on TV when she was pregnant but they didn’t mention it in the script so she looked a bit ‘round’ sometimes .... wow. Think how funny they’d have been, how much better the scripts would have sounded, how much more loved the shows they were in if they had been forced to vomit up their lunches on a daily basis or run endlessly on treadmills until they lost those last unfunny pounds!

Jesus. The American suits won’t be happen until they’ve replaced every last human female on TV with facsimiles of acceptable femininity comprising of a pair of rubber tits, a set of fearsomely white teeth, an annoying giggle, a miniskirt and flirty little head-toss, will they?

Comment #47: H.  on  12/02  at  04:57 PM

Tina Fey has been my celebrity crush for quite a few years now.  But it really shot up into the stratospere with that split second Liz Lemon flashback to her 1990’s self plotting out a D & D dungeon.

Sigh.  I remember those dorm dungeon crawl days and nights.

Comment #48: Dr. Locrian  on  12/02  at  04:58 PM

I’ve got a face scar from a piece of ice in a snowball. For the most part it is concealed by beard.

Does Geena Davis have a face scar? Or did she just shave a gap in her eyebrow for Cutthroat Island?

Comment #49: Chet  on  12/02  at  05:29 PM

German

Comment #50: theperilouspea  on  12/02  at  06:39 PM

German Students wore a permanent index of their progress with weapons and combat training , on their Kissers .
The following is from a Wikipedia article on Academic fencing
Participants stand their ground at a fixed distance. At the beginning of the tradition, duelists wore only their normal clothing (as duels sometimes would arise spontaneously) . They fence at arm’s length and stand more or less in one place, while attempting to hit the unprotected areas of their opponent’s face and head. Flinching or dodging is not allowed, the goal being less to avoid injury than to endure it stoically. The scar resulting from a hit is called a Schmiss (German for a “smite”) which was seen as a badge of honour especially in the second half of the nineteenth century and the first half of the twentieth century.
My Cat finds the whole thing strangely fascinating , I am grateful for the occasional feline indulgence .
I thought Schmiss might also have been “right wing” nimble , but I was wrong , wrong , wrong .

Comment #51: theperilouspea  on  12/02  at  06:59 PM

I actually have cat scars, too, on my forehead. They are why I’ve always been curious about Tina Fey’s scar, if just because for all we DON’T see it there seems to be a lot of fuss over her not explaining its origin. My story is pretty funny for anyone who isn’t my brother. When I was about 12, my sister’s cat got out into our backyard and bolted up a cherry tree. Our parents weren’t home so me and my 11-year old brother went out side to assess the situation. As I was looking up at the cat clinging to a limb of the tree, my brother had the bright idea to grab our hose and squirt it at the cat without warning the cat or myself. So a couple seconds later I have a cat landing on my face before leaping to ground and scurrying even further away. We were able to get the cat back later, thank goodness.

The funny thing is that at this point I’m just annoyed because now we don’t even know where the cat is because my brother decided to be a wise-ass. My brother, a prototypical Bart Simpson type had seen his cool veneer disappear as he was flipping out. Not over the cat, but because of me. He was screaming about how I was bleeding, but every time I put my hand up to my face, I managed to miss the spots where the cat dug into my face. I think I saw a tiny spot and I figured he was just messing with me. But I went inside and sure enough my face is streaming with blood from about 6 claw marks, mostly on my forehead. Its a pretty disconserting sight when you think you’re fine and you see yourself with huge cuts all across my face.

They were just scratches, of course, so stitches seemed silly. Our mom got home and went on bought some liquid bandages and I cleaned up and went to baseball practice later that day. It did end up leaving 3 scars on my forehead that I still have from the worst of the cuts.

Here’s the thing, hardly anyone ever notices. I’m curious about Tiny Fey just because I don’t know how she got her scars. I’m not the least bit curious about the trauma she must have endured from having scars. I doubt anyone really cared.

Comment #52: BStu  on  12/02  at  08:13 PM

Christ, people, I work with feral cats for a living and I don’t even have permanent scars.* What’re you doing, holding a cat in one hand and setting off roman candles with the other? ‘Cause that’ll definitely spook ‘em.

*of course, I get new ones as fast as the old ones heal, so I guess I am, technically, permanently scarred

Comment #53: gil mann  on  12/02  at  11:07 PM

BTW, the voice work Fey did for a pinball machine was Medieval Madness.  A number of Second City alum were involved (including Scott Asdit), so if you ever see it, give it a try.

Comment #54: NY Expat  on  12/04  at  12:09 AM
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