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Today’s New Terrible World-Destroying Statistic

imageIt has been discovered that Medicare SHOCKINGLY denies every single claim ever submitted to it, or something, which means that it’s drastically worse than private insurance which…denies at the same rate?  Or something?

But, when you take the “profit” out of health care, what do you find?

According to the American Medical Association’s National Health Insurer Report Card for 2008, the government’s health plan, Medicare, denied medical claims at nearly double the average for private insurers: Medicare denied 6.85% of claims. The highest private insurance denier was Aetna @ 6.8%, followed by Anthem Blue Cross @ 3.44, with an average denial rate of medical claims by private insurers of 3.88%.

In its 2009 National Health Insurer Report Card, the AMA reports that Medicare denied only 4% of claims—a big improvement, but outpaced better still by the private insurers. The prior year’s high private denier, Aetna, reduced denials to 1.81%—an astounding 75% improvement—with similar declines by all other private insurers, to average only 2.79%.

Why can’t Medicare be as…non-denyey as the private market?  My guess is the socialism.

Let’s take a closer look at the data, because it’s data from conservatives about healthcare, which means that virtually any other number from either report should pretty much decimate their entire case.  Let’s pick…6,938,431.  That’s the number of claims Medicare processed in 2008.  The most any of the private insurers?  1.1 million.  The entire benefit of Medicare (and, presumably, any public option plan) is that they handle tons and tons of claims, and do so for populations who are the most likely to need health care.  A program which specifically targets people over 65 (people who are more likely to need extensive healthcare on a routine basis) is going to have a higher rate of denials simply because the population is going to seek out a much more diverse set of medical treatments. 

This isn’t even mentioning the underpinnings of these relative systems (and of the denial metric itself).  Over the past couple of years, I can’t tell you how many times I’ve had claims sent in which are paid at a one or two percent rate.  I had a $95 doctor visit paid for by my insurance.  And by “paid for”, I mean they sent a $1.20 check over.  Not a denial!  I’m also well aware with my insurance company (for the most part) of what they will and won’t pay for - more importantly, I’m well aware that my coverage as a single, healthy 27-year-old is far less comprehensive than Medicare, as are my in-network doctors.

Oh!  In 2009, there were actually two private insurers whose denial rates matched or exceeded Medicare’s, too.  Special!

Denial rates as defined by the AMA probably aren’t a particularly good way of comparing Medicare to private insurance, for the precise reason that so much of the opposition to universal health care is so wrong.  Medicare is a different system than Aetna.  Many of the alleged efficiencies of private insurance come from the upfront screening out of the uninsurable - you don’t have to deny what you made clear upfront that you don’t cover.  For what Medicare covers, and how broadly it covers it, the fact that it actually denies less coverage than some major private insurers would seem to speak well of the program and its extension to the public at large.

But, then again, old people don’t get abortions, so that plan’s shot.  Fuck a duck, man.

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 11:37 AM • (32) Comments

i think you’re missing the point there jesse, that being “MEDICARE BAD!”, “PRIVATE INSURANCE HEAVENLY!”

that we’re comparing two almost polar opposite systems is kind of irrelevant; the average “joe sixpack” doesn’t know this, and the average “reporter” isn’t going to mention it in their story.

and really, the biggest problem encountered by those supporting true healthcare reform is the wholesale ignorance of the american populace. they’re too dumb or lazy to do any actual research of their own, so they rely for information on people who’s very income depends on keeping their audience barefoot and pregnant.

these are the people who listen attentively, when sarah palin claims that healthcare reform means less care available for everyone, and that rationing will have to occur, as if it doesn’t already.

Comment #1: cpinva  on  12/21  at  12:12 PM

Listen, Medicare rejects 6.85% of claims.  That’s why all those old people flock to private insurance companies whenever possible.  How many 65+ folks are on Aetna and Blue Cross rolls?  I think that number speaks for itself.  Whatever that number is.

And then, of course, there’s the very real possibility that the insurance companies are lying.

Data on how often insurance claims are denied—and for what reasons—is collected and analyzed by the insurance companies themselves. But except in California, the companies aren’t required to provide those records to any state or federal agency. “The number is knowable, but not known by regulators or policy makers or patients,” Pollitz said.

http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2009/09/22-2

Comment #2: Zifnab  on  12/21  at  12:31 PM

Also.

The issue of claims surfaced recently in California. The state Nurses Association issued a press release saying that data it obtained from the Web site of the state’s Department of Managed Health Care showed that in just the first half of 2009, California’s six largest HMOs had rejected more than 31 million claims—21 percent of those they had received.

Gee, 21% seems a lot higher than 6.85%

Comment #3: Zifnab  on  12/21  at  12:32 PM

Not to mention the fact that, because insurers can pick and choose who they cover (and, of course, rescission) they’re more likely to not cover the “bad apples” (I use that term loosely and based on the insurer’s definition here) in the first place, whereas medicare has to actually cover everyone.  It’s easy to not have to deny claims when you just refuse to cover “bad risks” in the first place.

Comment #4: sam  on  12/21  at  12:44 PM

Also not beside the point is that Medicare provider fraud is pretty widespread simply because there’s so much Medicare money out there.  One would hope that Medicare would be denying fraudulent claims.

Comment #5: Mnemosyne  on  12/21  at  12:50 PM

The next bogus claim will be that those denied by Medicare were likely Republican voters, and therefore Medicare is a tool for promoting Obama’s/Clinton’s/Gore’s/Michael-Moore’s desires for worldwide LibrulFascism!

I’m sure Glenn Beck could get several weepy shows out of that idea…

Comment #6: MikeEss  on  12/21  at  01:15 PM

6,938,431.  That’s the number of claims Medicare processed in 2008.

That’s all?  Seriously?

Comment #7: Magis  on  12/21  at  02:04 PM

Look, the currency of this kind of nonsense is almost entirely the fault of the Democrats (very much including Obama), who- because they are just as bought and paid for by the healthcare-industrial complex as the Republicans- cannot, will not and have not leveled with the public about the fact (obvious to anyone even vaguely familiar with cross-national health care comparisons) that our private insurance-based system is irretrievably broken and needs to be uprooted, not tinkered with. We are governed by a completely self-serving oligarchy which doesn’t give two craps about the public good.

Comment #8: Steve LaBonne  on  12/21  at  02:38 PM

I’m surprised, given the source, that the numbers are even comparable. But duh, without knowing what percentage of those claims are denied for good cause it’s worthless data. Also worthless because those are almost certainly final denials. If an insurance company denies a claim and then finally accepts it after it’s been refiled four times, that’s not a denial. Probably also a denial if the patient gives up without appealing…

Comment #9: paul  on  12/21  at  03:03 PM

Aha. If you look at the data a little more closely, you see that “denial” isn’t even denial, it’s a claim that’s allowed, but for which the covered amount is reduced to $0 because of coverage rules. Thank you, Medicare Parrt D doughnut hole. (And the detailed data also explains Aetna’s jump in performance: it refused payment on a smaller percentage of claims, but increased by roughly the same percentage the line items within a given claim that it reduced to zero. Just group the bills a little differently, and presto.)

Comment #10: paul  on  12/21  at  03:14 PM

Catch this one.

I have good insurance (Aetna).  My son needs a therapist.  We’ve been waiting 2 months now, and expect to have one in January.

If we had no insurance, he’d have one already.  Yep.  Socialized Medicare with their crappy, delayed reimbursement rate is still better than Aetna’s negotiated, delayed (through at least one denial cycle) rate.  The hospital doesn’t have anyone who can take us right now, b/c *surprise* patient care is rationed by ability to pay, and even with good insurance, Medicaid is better, at least as far as the hospital’s profit center is concerned.

So, here with the wonderful for-profit insurance, we sit and wait as care is rationed.  How is this different from what the GOP threatens I’ll have under the Great Socialized Gubermint Takeover?

Comment #11: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/21  at  04:28 PM

Blasphemed too soon.

Is that a glittered stormtrooper helmet up there?

Cause I want one.

Comment #12: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/21  at  04:29 PM

Wow, I’m sure absolutely nobody saw this one coming from a mile away… or something:

On Monday, a Credit Suisse analyst boosted his price targets on seven insurance providers.

“The ultimate passage of health care reform, expected early next year, will serve as a positive catalyst for the managed care universe,” said Gregory Nersessian in a note to investors.

He raised his price targets on Aetna Inc., Amerigroup Corp., Cigna Corp., Humana Inc., Molina Healthcare Inc., UnitedHealth Group Inc. and Wellcare Health Plans Inc. He also boosted his profit estimates for Health Net Inc.

Shares of Aetna rose $1.81, or 5.6 percent, to $34.32; Cigna gained $2.15, or 6 percent, to $37.95; Humana added $1.71, or 3.9 percent, to $45.24; UnitedHealth traded up $1.35, or 4.3 percent, to $32.89; Wellpoint Inc. jumped $2.19, or 3.8 percent, to $60.51. All hit 52-week highs, except for Humana, which was a little more than a dime short of its 12-month high.

Wellcare also rose $1.47, or 4 percent, to $38.41; Health Net rose 73 cents, or 3.1 percent, to $24.28; Molina rose 61 cents, or 2.7 percent, to $23.02; and Amerigroup rose 49 cents to $26.28. Wellcare and Health Net hit 52-week highs as well.

And I’m sure today’s record stock prices for health insurance carriers has absolutely nothing to do with the Senate’s weekend cloture vote, which brings us one step closer to the biggest jackpot AHIP has ever gotten.  Suuuuure they don’t want this bill to pass.  They just hate making billions and billions of dollars in stock dividends.

They should just rename the damn bill “The Health Insurance Industry Profit Maximization Act of 2010”.  At least that would keep it honest.

Comment #13: DTG in STL  on  12/21  at  04:29 PM

“Is that a glittered stormtrooper helmet up there?

Cause I want one. “

Yeah, I’m still trying to figure out what the photo has to do with the post ... and whether I want a stormtrooper helmet like that, myself.

Comment #14: Falconer  on  12/21  at  04:41 PM

They should just rename the damn bill “The Health Insurance Industry Profit Maximization Act of 2010”.  At least that would keep it honest.

Companies are only run in the short term anymore.  How can we maximize profit share this quarter/next quarter?  The entire for-profit insurance system is falling apart as even people with insurance can’t afford it anymore.  It couldn’t be much more than a decade before people would be leaving for-profit insurance behind and negotiating with doctors on their own—many do that now anyway.  For-profit insurance is simply suckng too much money out of the system.

But if they can get the governement to subsidize their premiums?  That’ll get another 10 years or so of profit out of a broken system.  And if they can get the government to FORCE people to be their customers, completely destroying the ‘invisible hand’ of the market?  Even better.

Why wouldn’t stocks go up?  This bill hurts the sick and insures rising insurance company profits for 20 years.  The system is still broken, and it will still break, but gov’t forced buy-ins and subsidies prop it up like using credit cards to buy groceries.

Comment #15: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  12/21  at  04:53 PM

“Yeah, I’m still trying to figure out what the photo has to do with the post ...”

The photo is of a gentleman briefly known as the Shockmaster.

Comment #16: preying mantis  on  12/21  at  05:01 PM

Yeah, I’m still trying to figure out what the photo has to do with the post ... and whether I want a stormtrooper helmet like that, myself.

That’s no ordinary man in a sparkly Stormtrooper helmet… that’s the one and only SHOCKMASTER.

Comment #17: delfin  on  12/21  at  05:02 PM

So, here with the wonderful for-profit insurance, we sit and wait as care is rationed.  How is this different from what the GOP threatens I’ll have under the Great Socialized Gubermint Takeover?

Well, under a socialized system, the rationing would partly/mostly be based on triage—getting the most desperate cases taken care of first.  Right now, it’s based on ability to pay, which is just fine by Republicans.

Comment #18: keshmeshi  on  12/21  at  05:40 PM

How many people want to abolish food stamps because they contribute to the profits of big agribusiness?

Comment #19: Ben D.  on  12/21  at  05:54 PM

Or how about home heating oil assistance for the poor?

I mean, my God! Think of all the new customers we’re giving Exxon-Mobil!

Comment #20: Ben D.  on  12/21  at  06:13 PM

Well, under a socialized system, the rationing would partly/mostly be based on triage—getting the most desperate cases taken care of first.  Right now, it’s based on ability to pay, which is just fine by Republicans.

Gosh, yes.  You can’t imagine how badly the rich have to suffer under our socialised system, in which they can only get immediate free care for serious conditions, and are forced to choose between waits to deal with lesser problems free like the rest of us or paying private medicine for immediate treatment. And of course, if things go wrong under private medicine, the patients get turfed off as serious cases to the public system anyway (which keeps private costs down).

Oh, the suffering.

Comment #21: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  12/21  at  06:36 PM

Ben D.-

I know you’re being glib, but I actually do care about the food stamps and how it help line the pockets of agribusiness.  Agribusiness’s political pull means that the stuff that is covered is not the healthiest in the world.  I very much support the changes in some states that uses vouchers for Farmer’s Markets and fresh fruit and veggies. 

And as far as the heating oil assistance for poor, most states and cities have a heavily involvement for the government- they have to apply for permission to raise energy rates (and, if you live in the frozen north like here in MN and ND, you CANNOT shut off the heat in a person’s apartment, even if they can’t pay you right now.  A few frozen senior citizens took care of that). 

If health insurance companies had to petition the government to raise their insurance rates as part of this bill, I might be a little bit more interested in preserving it.  But right now, all it is “Spend a lot of money that gives you a piece of paper that SAYS you have health insurance, but you still can’t get health care”.

Comment #22: Antigone  on  12/21  at  06:47 PM

But right now, all it is “Spend a lot of money that gives you a piece of paper that SAYS you have health insurance, but you still can’t get health care”.

There is a requirement in the Senate bill that from now on 85 cents of every dollar they charge in their premiums must be spent on health care. There’s going to be an exchange with a semi-functional market instead of the regional monopolies we have now. There’s $10 billion for community health centers (that will form the basis of a future single payer system) so the poor won’t have to go to the ER to get treated for the flu. There’s a BIG expansion of Medicaid, and subsidies for people up to 400% of the poverty line. There is a provision to allow young adults to stay on their parent’s plan until they’re 26.

I refuse to have those things thrown out the window because we didn’t get a (watered down, opt-out) public option, or because insurance company stocks will go up. I don’t give a flying shit what Humana’s stock does, I’m not going to get butthurt over it. I want people covered, and I want these provisions to become law.

Comment #23: Ben D.  on  12/21  at  07:00 PM

And the fact that the health insurance companies will be recieving public money means they’re going to be under a public microscope like they’ve never been before. Public money means public scrutiny.

They can ask the bank CEOs whats that like—they hated it so much they’re paying back the TARP money early jut to get out from under it.

Comment #24: Ben D.  on  12/21  at  07:06 PM

While we’re throwing numbers around, that Evil Socialist Liberal Singlepayer health plan we don’t have has NEVER REJECTED A SINGLE CLAIM!!!!

Incidentally, I’d assume everything that falls under the deductible, which is often the patient’s sole responsibility to pay for (mine’s four grand a year), is considered “covered” in these statistics, yes?

Comment #25: Kyra  on  12/21  at  07:07 PM

I wonder if the relatively high rate of denial of Medicare claims is due to the existence of “Medi-Gap” policies, which only cover claims which have already been rejected by Medicare.  As a health care provider, I often submit claims that I know will be rejected in order to then obtain reimbursement through secondary payers, who usually require a denied claim from the primary payer before they will pay. 

People with private insurance, on the other hand, usually have no other coverage.  A denial from Blue Cross is usually the end of it, unless you successfully appeal.  A denial from Medicare, on the other hand, may well be just the first step toward getting reimbursement from supplementary coverage.  Does anyone else know more about this?

Comment #26: Captain Bathrobe  on  12/21  at  07:48 PM

Ben D.

Getting the loss ratio up to 85% (or 80%, or whatever the final number turns out to be) is easy: just buy a bunch of health-care providers in the state(s) where you operate, and be ever so miserable as they increase their charges to you. It’s like the old days when sports franchises used to lose money, but oddly enough the same set of people also owned the company that sold licenses to the concessions and the parking folks, and the team had unaccountably made a very cheap deal for team-licensed merchandise with a company affiliated with the owners, and so forth.

Comment #27: paul  on  12/21  at  11:49 PM

It’s also not a denial if your insurance company makes you sign a rider before you can get the insurance stating what they will and will not cover for you.  So on top of my premium each month, I have to pay out of pocket for the blood tests and doctor bills associated with treatment for my benign thyroid condition.  For some asinine reason, the insurance covers the medication.  But in order to get the medication, I have to go to the specialist with a blood test in hand so he can see if he needs to titrate or increase my dosage.

Comment #28: speedbudget  on  12/22  at  11:11 AM

‘How many people want to abolish food stamps because they contribute to the profits of big agribusiness?’

Uh, NO. You are sadly misinformed. I have been a recipient of food stamps for 3 years now, and I shop local grocers, seasonal produce and local organic farms. It gets me less for my allotted money than if I lived on Frito Lay, frozen pizzas and Chef Boyardee (those things are CHEAPER!), but I eat lighter and healthier than most people I know who have way more money than I do. Generalizations about food stamp recipients sound very ignorant.

Comment #29: Doctress Julia  on  12/22  at  06:35 PM

And bring on the class warfare. I am ready.

Comment #30: Doctress Julia  on  12/22  at  06:36 PM

Julia, I’m pretty sure not everyone is you. Are you seriously claiming almost no food stamp recipients spend that money on (even reasonably healthy) products of Archer Daniels Midland etc.?

Comment #31: Hershele Ostropoler  on  12/23  at  12:02 PM
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