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“Tradition” is just code for patriarchy

Julie Sunday, writing for RH Reality Check, reports on a piece of legislation that passed the Texas House and will probably become law because Republicans have a super-majority.  The law would require any university that has a “gender and sexuality center” to also have a “traditional values center” as a form of counter-programming. 

What I like about this is how nakedly obvious it is.  Gender and sexuality centers at universities are there to promote what really should be non-controversial ideas: that women/gay/transgender people are full human beings, that human sexuality is a natural part of life, that rape and domestic violence are bad things, and that people have a right to be healthy regardless of gender or sexual status.  Counter-programming then, I have to assume, is pro-rape, pro-domestic violence and bullyin, anti-health, and anti-woman.  Not a big surprise to those of us who’ve been paying attention and know that the conservative movement does in fact oppose anti-rape efforts, sex education, gay rights, anti-domestic violence efforts, and health care for anyone who has dared experience sexual pleasure, especially outside of their strict rules (which include not just being married, but being the right race and wealthy enough to pay out of pocket for all expenses related to sexual health care).

On that last link, I want to point out that the implication behind the misleading obsession with mammograms on the right carries with it the implication that anyone who dies of cervical cancer—-which Planned Parenthood does screen for in office—-had it coming and deserves to die. Because she touched a penis.  In theory, virgins can get breast cancer, so they’re hard-pressed to oppose screening for it, though I suppose if you released statistics showing that 99.9% of breast cancer patients have had sex at some point, they’d probably go ahead and round that one up to a had-it-coming disease. 

What is fascinating about this particular story is how blatant this is.  Usually there’s an attempt to pretend that anti-woman efforts are somehow pro-woman—-Susan B. Anthony would want women to die of cervical cancer, we swear!—-though of course, no such effort is expended in the game of pretending they care if queer people live or die.  In this case, though, it’s just straightforward.  Gender and sexuality centers offer health and anti-violence information, and that needs counter-programming.  I’m curious what kind of “traditional values” programming we can expect to see. For instance, if gender and sexuality centers organize a Take Back the Night Rally, will the anti-feminist centers organize a Bitches Stay In Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally?  If a gender and sexuality center has a seminar on avoiding or escaping violent relationships, will the “traditional values” center have a seminar explaining that men only hit because they love too much?  If you think about it, it seems that this move might be a tad counterproductive, except that it creates more jobs for professional anti-feminists.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:11 AM • (64) Comments

I can’t help but think that the shift to “not even trying to hide it” has to do with a black President getting elected.  That kind of total failure of the traditional order is going to provoke both extreme responses and the demand for them.

Comment #1: Punditus Maximus  on  04/04  at  09:45 AM

Where does the Atheism Center get placed?  And can I major in anti-science?

My dream job: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMGIbOGu8q0

Comment #2: 3letterjon  on  04/04  at  09:53 AM

Everything is a values war for conservatives. Where we see a university department devoted to acknowledging the realities of human sexuality, gender, and non-cis experiences, conservatives see a brothel designed to promote gay interracial orgies and force abortions on people. I don’t think they even understand the fundamental difference in approach - they assume that the other side is also a bunch of tribal culture warriors, but they just happen to be fighting for the opposite things.

In a sense, we are fighting for the opposite things, as Amanda points out. But ultimately we’re just going where reality and compassion lead us, at least ideally. Conservatives claim to be the reality-based ones, but whenever those ivory tower eggheads try to shine a light on aspects of reality that conservatives aren’t comfortable with, suddenly the values are the only things that matter, and to hell with the facts.

Comment #3: Triplanetary  on  04/04  at  10:18 AM

I think a center that subjected “traditional values” to exacting scrutiny and scholarship, the way that gender studies centers do to cultural beliefs about gender, would probably not be what the author of this stupid legislation had in mind.

Comment #4: paul  on  04/04  at  10:47 AM

Hell, Texas is struggling to find the money to pay for… well, ANYTHING. So yeah, sure, we need to require universities to open new wingnut centers. Probably the only way you’ll be able to get a job in this state before long…

Comment #5: Scott  on  04/04  at  10:54 AM

Don’t most Texas universities already have fraternities?

Comment #6: Yamara  on  04/04  at  10:56 AM

I don’t know whether to curse my old con law professor or thank him for defining originalism in constitutional interpretation by throwing his arms in the air and crying “Tradition! na na nana nana…”  Now any time someone mentions traditional values all I can see is Tevye dancing around the village explaining how our lives are like a fiddler on the roof.

Comment #7: scrumby  on  04/04  at  11:07 AM

I doubt they really have any idea what these traditional values centers are supposed to do, other than make it prohibitively expensive to have gender and sexuality centers on campuses.

Comment #8: Tenya  on  04/04  at  11:12 AM

Yamara, zing!

What would these centers teach?  What qualifies as “traditional?”

Comment #9: Blitzgal  on  04/04  at  11:17 AM

Tenya’s got it.

They don’t actually want ‘tradition’ centers - this is just a shot across the bow to threaten the Universities into not opening gender studies centers or even closing them down.

Comment #10: KingElvis  on  04/04  at  11:29 AM

For instance, if gender and sexuality centers organize a Take Back the Night Rally, will the anti-feminist centers organize a Bitches Stay In Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally?

I suspect it would involve some kind of “taking responsibility for your own part in teasing the boys into a frenzy.”

It’s kind of like when they ask for a White History Month, never mind that most of history taught today is still White History.

But I think Tenya is right, they want to cut all such spending in half basically by making the other half have to go to “tradition” centers.  Maybe it would be used to fund religious organizations.

Comment #11: oldfeminist  on  04/04  at  11:43 AM

Traditional values? Well, if they’re that traditional, shouldn’t they kind of already be well known to the point that everybody grew up in them? They’re the status quo.  How do you teach the status quo? It’s like teaching privilege.

  Jesus, I haven’t had enough caffeine for this and my head already hurts.

Comment #12: ginmar  on  04/04  at  11:57 AM

@scrumby:

Now any time someone mentions traditional values all I can see is Tevye dancing around the village explaining how our lives are like a fiddler on the roof.

I’ve been thinking about this a lot lately, actually, especially the bit about tradition establishing “who he is, and what God expects him to do.”  Because there’s nothing IME that gets conservatives (and libertarians) worked up more than something short of complete deference to their identities.


@KingElvis:

this is just a shot across the bow to threaten the Universities into not opening gender studies centers or even closing them down

This.

Comment #13: latts  on  04/04  at  12:00 PM

It’s days like today that I’m glad I’m child-free.

Comment #14: cynickal  on  04/04  at  12:02 PM

I’m sure the real point of this is to force cash-strapped universities to just de-fund and/or close their Gender & Sexuality centers.

Comment #15: nothingmuch  on  04/04  at  12:03 PM

Obviously this is an attempt to cut the legs out from under “liberal” departments like Gender and Sexuality.  So that’s goal #1.

Goal #2 is stirring up the feminists and progressives and the “liberals”.  Generic “conservatives” (as opposed to religious conservatives/AmTaliban) don’t have much in the way of concrete policy aims, aside from No Taxes! and Continuous War!, so making “liberals” upset is goal in and of itself (as Amanda has pointed out previously).  As long as Marcotte is pissed, and the rest of the feminist blog-o-sphere is upset, mission accomplished!

Goal #3 is keeping their ignorant-and-proud-of-it base stirred up.  Very few to none of them have any actual idea of what a Gender and Sexuality Center does.  So they rely on the Wingnut Noise Machine to spew stuff out there to (further) fix in their minds (such as they are) that they’re just another liberal/socialist/feminazi attempt to wreck America and bring in Sharia Law (which they don’t understand either, but they know it’s bad).  Say or do anything to get the teabagging morons to give money and vote Republican.

Goal #4: Distraction, distraction distraction.  Any attention given to this kind of bullshit is attention not being paid to the looting of America by the upper classes and especially The 1%.  Keep the proles distracted and entertained…

Comment #16: MikeEss  on  04/04  at  12:24 PM

I’m curious what kind of “traditional values” programming we can expect to see. For instance, if gender and sexuality centers organize a Take Back the Night Rally, will the anti-feminist centers organize a Bitches Stay In Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally?  If a gender and sexuality center has a seminar on avoiding or escaping violent relationships, will the “traditional values” center have a seminar explaining that men only hit because they love too much?

I think they would dress up the pro-rape angle as “Rally to restore modesty and responsible behavior (for women only)”.  They’d find some way to victim-blame and slut-shame and basically say that they’re against miniskirts and women having sex before marriage.

For the pro-domestic abuse angle, they’d frame it as taking one for the team and staying together for the kids or the good of society or whatever, or they’d sell it by implying that for women, being single is a fate worse then being abused.  They might call it some b.s. like “Promoting strong families through married parents”, or “Using your wifely power to make him a better person”.  They have plenty of ways to blame women for men’s behavior while sounding like they’re being reasonable, and their PR department will come up with some whoppers.

Comment #17: bananacat  on  04/04  at  12:27 PM

“if gender and sexuality centers organize a Take Back the Night Rally, will the anti-feminist centers organize a Bitches Stay In Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally?  If a gender and sexuality center has a seminar on avoiding or escaping violent relationships, will the “traditional values” center have a seminar explaining that men only hit because they love too much?”

Yes. They might be able to come up with a different name for it, but yes, that is what they will do.

Comment #18: Mark  on  04/04  at  12:39 PM

Oops. Catgirl beat me to it.

Need to read all comments before blaspheming.

Comment #19: Mark  on  04/04  at  12:40 PM

I think I DO remember a ‘bitches stay inside (or go out only in socially approved ways) or you deserved it’ rally. I think they were calling it Save the Date.

Comment #20: BlackBloc  on  04/04  at  01:00 PM

For the pro-domestic abuse angle, they’d frame it as taking one for the team and staying together for the kids or the good of society or whatever,

Reminds me of something my husband told his mother—“You can’t be a good wife if he won’t be a good husband”.  She went to marriage counseling—my FIL didn’t return after the first session.  Cooperation, communication, and mutual respect are needed for a healthy relationship.  Neither partner can make the marriage work alone.

But try telling the ‘the husband is always right’ types that.

Comment #21: Jayn Newell  on  04/04  at  01:20 PM

How do you teach the status quo? It’s like teaching privilege.

Well, arguably, education already pretty strongly enforces privilege and the status quo. Higher education less so, but that depends on what department you’re in and what school you’re at.

At any rate, when you start making small portions of the educational system focus on something other than the privileged, the privileged are suddenly under siege and start whining about how there’s no White History Month. Blech.

Comment #22: Triplanetary  on  04/04  at  01:43 PM

It’s typical of conservative disingenuousness that they believe studying something is the same as making a career of arguing in favor of it.  By that logic I’m a real monster, studying poverty in undergrad and now a variety of rare and horrifying pediatric diseases.  If “studying” is just a euphemism for “accepting public funds to propagandize for,” I wonder why there’s been no outcry to fire some of my best college professors, who studied things like slavery, racism, and war.

Comment #23: themmases  on  04/04  at  01:50 PM

@5 Scott said:

Hell, Texas is struggling to find the money to pay for… well, ANYTHING. So yeah, sure, we need to require universities to open new wingnut centers. Probably the only way you’ll be able to get a job in this state before long…

I think the plan is probably to give universities an excuse to shut the gender studies depts down while being exempt from any possible legal blowback. I imagine many a bronze age death cultist University president throwing his hands up and proclaiming with mock compassion ‘we can’t afford both centers, and since that means we can’t comply with the law we have to shut them all down.’ Since the traditional morals police are default in almost every aspect of Texas, they win by losing.

Comment #24: Ross Lincoln  on  04/04  at  01:50 PM

I think a center that subjected “traditional values” to exacting scrutiny and scholarship, the way that gender studies centers do to cultural beliefs about gender, would probably not be what the author of this stupid legislation had in mind.

Works for me - “here we have our first gender and sexuality centre, and here we have our second under the stupid name the legislature made us call it”.

Let them try to specifiy what it teaches in legislation, and watch the state courts cut it to pieces.

Comment #25: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/04  at  02:28 PM

Oh, I can see all sorts of fun ways to go with this.  Next up, tobacco companies will demand equal time with anti-smoking campaigns; “Smoking doesn’t give you cancer!  It makes you thin and popular!”.  Then major polluters will shut down green organizations with equal time promotions like “Hey, the world’s a big place and garbage dissolves after a while!”  Maybe they can even counter anti-drug centers with “Cocaine gives you more energy!  And LSD helps the creative process!” It there’s enough money in it, of course.

To quote MST3K’s Crow; “Part of me is laughing—the part that hates life.”

Comment #26: Blue Jean  on  04/04  at  02:34 PM

Every March, when I mention International Women’s Day, I inevitably have to field the response “so is there an International Men’s Day?” And of course the answer is yes, it’s every day.  But the privileged just can’t stand it when somebody else gives the smallest amount of pushback; their overwhelming privilege just isn’t enough, and they have to put up a counter, in the name of “fairness.”

Comment #27: Cris  on  04/04  at  02:41 PM

Next up, tobacco companies will demand equal time with anti-smoking campaigns; “Smoking doesn’t give you cancer!  It makes you thin and popular!”.

would this involve equal amounts of money being spent on anti-smoking campaigns as it is on tobacco advertising?  ‘Cos, you know, that would be kinda cool.

Comment #28: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/04  at  02:41 PM

They have a Traditional Values Center. It’s called “most of Texas.”

Comment #29: Kyra  on  04/04  at  03:14 PM

I think they would dress up the pro-rape angle as “Rally to restore modesty and responsible behavior (for women only)”.

So, Bitches Stay At Home Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally.  Just with less uterus-like dirty language.

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  04/04  at  03:32 PM

“They have a Traditional Values Center. It’s called “most of Texas.””

...along with most of North and South Carolina, Georgia, Mississippi, Alabama, Arkansas, Oklahoma, North and South Dakota, Idaho, Alaska, and most of the rest of “flyover country”.

If square-miles of land could vote, we’d all be living in “red” states in a “red” country.  Since only adult human beings can vote, the “blue” side should win every election.  But thanks to flaws built into the US electoral system, a cow in Wyoming or a moose in Alaska have more influence on politics in America than I do.  Those of us in the vastly larger “blue” population have our hands full trying to get a few politicians who aren’t completely insane elected.  It’s a thankless, and never-ending, task…

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  04/04  at  03:33 PM

#24: Ross Lincoln

I imagine many a bronze age death cultist University president throwing his hands up and proclaiming with mock compassion ‘we can’t afford both centers, and since that means we can’t comply with the law we have to shut them all down.’

This.

And if the school can afford the money to open a wingnut wing of the “Stop being a dick to minorities and women” office, I bet that’s a tasty bit of cash to hand out to politically savvy opportunists.  Can you say “slush fund”?

would this involve equal amounts of money being spent on anti-smoking campaigns as it is on tobacco advertising?

NO!  Those ad dollars are hard earned capitalist free-market dollars.  YOU’RE A SOCIALIST!

Comment #32: Zifnab25  on  04/04  at  03:33 PM

Virtually every single religious organization on every campus is a “traditional values center”.
So yeah, I don’t see the law doing much, except getting the base riled up to whine about how unfair the world is to them because their base is stupid. So are the politicians if they didn’t think we’d point and say “Hey asshole, what do you think that fucking church is?”.

Comment #33: JThompson  on  04/04  at  03:34 PM

I find the rhetoric of gender and sexuality centres being some sort of depraved 24/7 orgy pretty hilarious in light of the fact that my campus’ Queer Students Community Centre explicitly forbids cruising and excessive PDA to make newcomers feel more welcome. Really the only thing they could take umbrage at is that we tell new people that it’s okay to be gay and that we socialize.

Comment #34: JilliefromChile  on  04/04  at  04:26 PM

we tell new people that it’s okay to be gay and that we socialize.

Fiends!

Comment #35: Well, what?  on  04/04  at  04:34 PM

“Really the only thing they could take umbrage at is that we tell new people that it’s okay to be gay and that we socialize.”

Those are exactly the kinds of grossly intolerant, anti-free speech ideas that our brave Conservative men and women (but mostly men) are committed to stamping out!

If it’s “okay to be gay”, then you’re implying “it’s not okay to be heterosexual”, which is hate!  And if gay people get to socialize, then what about straight people?  Don’t they get to socialize?  Or are you just trying to exclude them from your little club?  It all stinks of bigotry!

Those who are working hardest to build a culture of tolerance and acceptance are the Real Bigots!

Racism is over except among liberals!  Don’t tread on me!  Teabag!  Union thugs!  Barry Soetaro!

[/nutso-black-is-white-up-is-down-wingnut]

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Comment #36: MikeEss  on  04/04  at  04:45 PM

Every teabagger sign translated:

“No minorities get shit until I get some of this white privilege I keep hearing about.”

Comment #37: Smartpatrol  on  04/04  at  05:00 PM

Rick Perry, another one of those get the government out of my life types, called a special session to mandate ultrasounds to be able to get an abortion. A very invasive one that basically sounds like state sanctioned rape.

Being against Big Government, Judicial Activism, Political Correctness, or any of the other buzzwords on the right mean nothing. Its just Fuck You, I got mine.

Comment #38: bay of arizona  on  04/04  at  05:05 PM

Lol, we don’t exclude straight people. Allies are welcome. Their concerns just aren’t centred.

Comment #39: JilliefromChile  on  04/04  at  06:43 PM

JilliefromChile, I think MikeEss is totally on board with that. Note sarcasm tag at end of #36.

Comment #40: snowmentality  on  04/04  at  06:49 PM

“Hey asshole, what do you think that fucking church is?”

Or for that matter, the History Department. 

Oh wait . . . they don’t mean respect for “tradition” the way normal people use the word; they mean respect for guys like themselves, i.e., straight Christian (1) white guys.

And they don’t mean “respect” the way normal people use the word either; they mean continually having their ugly asses kissed, no matter what sort of crap comes out the other end.

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(1) You can reasonably assume that if this goes through, Christianity of the heaviest-handed Bible-banging variety will take its place among what passes for normative and traditional in these little on-campus slices of Hell.

Comment #41: Molly, NYC  on  04/04  at  07:00 PM

Growing up in a very conservative christian area (eastern washington - home of the new white pride movement) half the girls I knew were opposed to pap screenings because that meant a doctor (who probably believes in evolution) had to do stuff to your Naughty Areas in his Unholy Exam Room, and then would announce publicly that you were a filthy whore. When that sort of stuff should be reserved for Jesus.  Or something.  (Actually what I found most profoundly disturbing was the massive heap of ignorance everyone dove into to cover the fact that it’s a squishy subject.  Anal sex = still a virgin was a popular belief.)

When I tried to explain to people I knew that maybe that not dying from cervical cancer might be more important than a completely arbitrary and outdated belief system, I got forced into a field trip for a Christian conversion event.

I’d like to see them try that “it means you’re a slut” argument right now, to my face.  I’m waiting nervously for the doctor’s office to call and give me the results of a biopsy on an unusual cervical growth.  Know how many partners I’ve had? 1.

Comment #42: Caelan Aegana  on  04/04  at  08:04 PM

#38:
Yeah, it’s really disgusting.  As someone who has had a transvaginal ultrasound (for non-pregnancy stuff), you’re totally right.  That bill is pretty much legally required sexual assault.

Comment #43: vim876  on  04/04  at  08:39 PM

I caught the sarcasm, I was just giving more information/potential material.

Comment #44: JilliefromChile  on  04/04  at  08:39 PM

Ugh, so so so stupid!

Comment #45: Bean Slap  on  04/04  at  08:52 PM

Couldnt they also legally fight this by demonstrating the hate and suicide rates of LGBT people or that its rooted in science and that theres is the actual social conditioning?

Comment #46: Bean Slap  on  04/04  at  08:54 PM

Earlier today, I was hanging out with some friends in the Free Hetherington, an occupied space/student collective in the University of Glasgow, discussing the absurdity of the student union politicos opposing the occupation on the basis that we’re a bunch of lefties, and therefore “biased”. “What do they want”, we asked, “somebody to open up a far-right collective next-door, just to even things out?”

We didn’t think that there were people out there who would actually say “yes”...

Comment #47: Finnegan  on  04/04  at  09:21 PM

#16,
Sharia law IS bad! Though I’m sure their tradition centers could just be called Sharia Law since I’m sure their centers are so gender regressive.

Comment #48: Bean Slap  on  04/04  at  09:24 PM

In the same vein as PIATOR @ 25:

I can think of plenty of ‘traditional values’ that universities could promote to subvert this.  Loyalty to loved ones, respect for elders, kindness to strangers, civility, generosity…oh wait, not what the wingnuts had in mind?  Too bad the law doesn’t specify!

Comment #49: A Canadian Girl  on  04/04  at  09:27 PM

Why not a White Hetero Patriarchal Religion Month? You know THATS a minority!

Comment #50: Bean Slap  on  04/04  at  09:28 PM

A trivial tangential point: lifelong sexual abstinence increases the risk of breast cancer. Worst pick-up line ever. (Of course, the risk is due to “lack of childbearing or breastfeeding”, not the lack of fucking.)

Comment #51: bad Jim  on  04/04  at  11:12 PM

A trivial tangential point: lifelong sexual abstinence increases the risk of breast cancer.

On the other hand, if Mr Penis never goes into Ms Vagina, your chances of cervical cancer are probably way lower.

Comment #52: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  04/04  at  11:43 PM

I want to see a “traditional values center” that incorporates Boswell’s Same-Sex Unions in Pre-Modern Europe among the traditions it values.

Comment #53: Josh  on  04/05  at  12:25 AM

@Amanda at #30

The “Bitches Stay At Home Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally” has already been done…remember the Yale fraternity pledges who surrounded the women’s center chanting “No means Yes, and Yes means anal!” at the instruction of their frat bros?

Yeah. And, as a student at a Texas university who has participated in some great women’s center events, this post is seriously disturbing to me. Although it would be interesting to see what a Traditional Values Center would look like at my school…given we have a high percentage of international students from around the globe. It would be so great to watch conservative state politicians shit their pants when the Traditional Values Center starts teaching Islamic and Hindu values.

Comment #54: reverie  on  04/05  at  01:51 AM

#54,
Hindu? I dont really see that religion as patriarchal as Islam or Christianity. I doubt they’d want to teach about female Gods unsurping male Gods, tantra and a wider tolerance of non-Hindu religions as well as atheists being tolerated being taught in their centers.

Comment #55: Bean Slap  on  04/05  at  02:28 AM

Bean, While I definitely think serious Hindu faithful are less obnoxious than conservative Abrahamic religious zealots, we are talking about a religion that until recently (and still, in rural areas) considered it good form for a widow to throw herself on her husband’s funeral pyre. Patriarchy: They haz it. They just don’t evangelize it like the patriarchists we know and love do.

Comment #56: Ross Lincoln  on  04/05  at  02:45 AM

Next up, any university with a “health center” dedicated to promoting student health must also have a “disease center” dedicating to promoting the spread of plague and pestilence.  Perhaps they can get Jenny McCarthy as a guest speaker.

Comment #57: Captain Bathrobe  on  04/05  at  03:18 AM

#56,
Sure. Maybe I was being a bit exaggerative. I think I was just impressed with some of their Gods that seem to depict much stronger representations of women such as Durga and Tara.

Comment #58: Bean Slap  on  04/05  at  03:23 AM

Unless women are given actual power in the day to day they’re just symbols, images. I mean, look at Catholic saints.  And look at the methods by which they become saints—-ghastly, grim tortures.  Then there’s—-ancient Mycenae, was it? All those goddesses, and yet women had few if any rights at all.

Comment #59: ginmar  on  04/05  at  03:37 AM

For instance, if gender and sexuality centers organize a Take Back the Night Rally, will the anti-feminist centers organize a Bitches Stay In Or You Deserve To Be Raped Rally?

Or perhaps “Take Back the Violence”.

Comment #60: Johnny Pez  on  04/05  at  07:47 AM

Yeah, well I really liked the story of Durga. She’s apparently the war God, was unsurped by a male God, gathered an army of all females and re-took her throne. Apparently thats how Phoolan Devi got her name, which is a refernce to Durga. I have Phoolan Devis autobiograhy and its interesting read. She went back and screwed her rapists that screwed her.

Comment #61: Bean Slap  on  04/05  at  07:49 AM

“Take Back the Privilege?”

“Get Back In the Kitchn and Make Me A Sammich?”

“Feminism Is a Hate Crime?”

Comment #62: Bean Slap  on  04/05  at  07:51 AM

Well wouldn’t REAL “traditional values” in wingnut speak mean “woman, what the hell are you doing in a classroom in your fertile years - get your ass back home and get it pregnant and cooking NOW!” So who would actually go to these centers?

Comment #63: phylosopher  on  04/05  at  10:45 AM

#63,
Confused and misguided people who either are open bigots or innocently exploited in vulnerable or curious moments.

Comment #64: Bean Slap  on  04/05  at  03:28 PM
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