“There is no social issue that is more defining for biblical Christians than that of marriage and life.”

Well, I guess that explains why all the Prosperity Gospel folks have no trouble worshipping Mammon ahead of their ostensible deity…

By making video completely asynchronous, the broadband intertubes have changed the game for a lot of people like Warren. He used to be able to say truly hateful bigoted things to one audience and only moderately bigoted things to other audiences without much fear that the people in one audience would get to watch his other performances. (They might hear about them, but the video clip is much more immediate.)

For a lot of speakers and audiences this isn’t a problem— everyone tailors their messages at least a little. But when your base is literalists whose entire schtick is enforcing political nad religious correctness, welcome to the bed you made.

This is how you know you’re winning.  When the “moderates” on the other side can’t keep playing both sides of the fence anymore.  It means the middle ground has collapsed on their side, and that’s a good thing.

I’m tired of Warren’s “I’m against it but I’m not against it” political wobbling.  I don’t think I’m alone.  Nobody likes a false prophet.

I’m kind of shocked they linked to you, Pam. 

I would have expected they would only use your name as some kind of indicator of extremism — kind of like the way they used to bring up Jane Fonda regarding anything related to Vietnam, war in general, anything defense-related, etc. — but without actually linking.  If they go over to your place, some of them might even learn something that isn’t a religious nut talking point…

Maybe one of these days they’ll actually agree that you really are a human being and worthy of respect…one can only hope…

There is no social issue that is more defining for biblical Christians than that of marriage and life.

That’s a curious statement, which seems to take the positon that opposition to abortion and contraception is the same thing as oppostion to gay marriage.

Lots of people have puzzled over that ad in which the actor playing the California doctor complains that gay marriage will interfere with her ability to practice medicine and still maintain her christian beliefs.  Is this identity the explanation?

*chottle*  *giggle*  *guffaw*

By God the enemies list of the right is growing hyper fast.  You don’t have to stray far from the reservation to inspire ire.

“You don’t have to stray far from the reservation to inspire ire.”

“Traitors” are always more threatening to True Believers than The Enemy, because traitors could be anyone, living among you, pretending to be on your side, until they get the secret signal and betray you to The Enemy…

so, is warren going to have to apologize to rush?

what bible are these people reading? marriage and babies do not appear that much in the bible, I am sorry to say. I’ve read the whole thing, I should know. You know what does show up quite a bit? helping the poor, not being self-aggrandizing and being fair to others. I know. oh shit.

WARREN APOLOGIZES ON LARRY KING FOR HIS SUPPORT OF ONE-MAN, ONE-WOMAN MARRIAGE

So which man and which woman get to marry?  Who decides whom these lucky indivudals are?

rea:

No, the doctor part is because the doctor might have to—gasp—treat lesbians. (There was a case where a fertility specialist didn’t want to treat a lesbian couple and they sued for discrimination. Of course, the suit was completely unrelated to same-sex marriage, since it was about straight-up discrimination on the basis of orientation, but it’s sort of vaguely related, because allowing homos any rights to exist at all is the camel’s nose under the tent or something. Also note that if you’re pro-actual-life you’re not going to be against fertility treatments, but what the heck.)

I’ve read the whole thing, I should know.

Good God, why?  I hope you got a grade or something for it.  I went to seminary and I’ve still not made it all the way through Proverbs or Ecclesiastes.  And Numbers is, unfortunately, extremely well-named.

Anyway, paul’s comment at the top is spot-on.  Technology is a wonderful thing, as it means Warren gets a petard hoisting from all sides.

Warren is just doing what countless fundies before him have done, which is to be two-faced to such an extent that Janus would be embarrassed.  They are - or were, really - masters of telling whatever audience is in front of them exactly what they wanted to hear.  Before YouTube and all the other video sources of the internet, they got away with it. 

Macaca Allen was merely the first in what promises to be a long line of people who simply refuse to understand the new age they’re in.

MikeEss:

Absolutely.  What’s the point in being a True Believer® if you can’t get that great paranoia rush every day.

So maybe there was a bit of an upside to Warren appearing at the inauguration? Like, say, making him realize that he can be true to his faith and not agree with every hard-right hate group that makes noise?

I love the smell of bug-fucking-nuts in the morning.

If there was ever a constitutional amendment that should have the unhesitating support of any spiritual leader who believes in the Bible and the sanctity of marriage…

<i>then it should be an amendment that allows polygyny, incest, arranged marriage, old men to marry children, and fathers to sell their daughters into marriage.  It should also stop putting rapists in prison, and instead insist that they either marry the victim or pay a fine to her father (hey, at least the girl gets to choose which).<i>

There, I fixed it for you.  (Please note that I theoretically support the right to polygamy if everyone involved consents, but the biblical version of polygyny doesn’t care much about the consent of the first wife or any others.) 

(Also note that spellchecker does not recognize polygyny, but has no problem with polygamy or polyandry)

(My spell checkers still don’t recognize “Barack Obama” and the man’s been in office almost three months…and was elected 6-months ago…)

(MikeEss, I don’t think spell checkers update automatically.  Unless you have bought a new computer since then, I wouldn’t expect it to change.  You should just manually add it to your dictionary.)

(Both Firefox and Google Chrome do their own updates automatically or near automatically.  And I assume - but I may be wrong - that the spell checker they use should be part of the upgrade process just the same as anything else.  I know I can add the words, but for me it’s a sign of respect.  When they fix it, cool.  Until then they are disrespecting The Man.  I was told in another thread that there may be a community process involved, which explains why it’s so slow to get fixed.  I’d get involved myself but I have enough grief with the stuff I already have on my plate… )

MikeEss,
Not to mention he’s been destroying the economy for 30 years and running the Weathermen Underground since he was 8.  And as a time traveling Kenyan-Indonesian-Kansasan-Hawai’ian, you’d think he’d have gone back in time to ensure the Obama Code was integrated into the basics of all coding of chip architecture since 8086 processor.

Of course, I have t do it the old fashion way and cut&paste;to MS Word to spell check.

(Now I’m tempted to test out the names of various important people and see who counts as important to spellchecker.

Spellchecker likes:
McCain, Clinton, Reagan, Nixon, Agnew, Quayle, Nader, Perot, Kennedy, Romney, Ginsburg, Damon

Spellchecker doesn’t like:
Obama, Biden, Pelosi, Palin, Huckabee, Scalia, Souter, Breyer, Alito, Affleck)

catgirl:

The big problem with polygamy (imo) is the combinatoric explosion of options—who inherits from whom, who gets one whose health insurance (assuming there are multiple working partners with insurance plans), who gets whose social security survivor benefits, blah blah blah.

Writing wills that work properly when there are just two parents whose relative times of death will affect their friends, relations and offspring is hard enough; I’m sure someone could figure out how to do it for larger groups, but I’d hate to be that someone. (Lots of couples’ wills, for example, specify who will be assumed to have died first if the relative times of death can’t be determined, or if both die within some time of each other as a result of the same incident. It gets weird.)

Not that this is a showstopper argument against egalitarian polygamy, just one of those things you gotta think about when trying to establish legal status.

Paul, I completely agree.  There are a lot of reasons why we are not ready to legalize polygamy.  It’s much, much more complicated than a marriage of two people, and would also be prone to abuse.  Realistically, it often doesn’t work out as a completely consensual arrangement, and it is often used as a tool for abuse.  I’m not saying that we should make it legal right now, I’m just clarifying that I don’t think it’s wrong on a philosophical level, because it might have seemed that I am equating it with things that I do think are wrong in my previous statement.

I really enjoy this.

Warren gets called a liar by Pam and progressives, and that pisses off his base.  Not b/c we didn’t fall for it, but b/c Warren put the lie out in the first place and didn’t toe the line of hate.  He should be damning us to hell, not trying to wiggle out of appearing to damn us to hell.

I love it when people try to play one side and end up pissing both sides off.  Couldn’t happen to a better whackadoodle.

(MikeEss, I don’t think spell checkers update automatically.  Unless you have bought a new computer since then, I wouldn’t expect it to change.  You should just manually add it to your dictionary.)

No, this has been brought up to Firefox repeatedly.  They are aware that “Obama” isn’t recognized, and they’ve been told that the leader of the free world should be included in the dictionary.  The issue was brought up during the election, so there’s been plenty of time to address it.

Someone is being an ass by not updating this otherwise well-functioning program.  I’ve gotten a new update since the election, and it’s easy for Firefox to ‘add-on’ and update.  It really is bordering on rudeness.

“I’ve gotten a new update since the election, and it’s easy for Firefox to ‘add-on’ and update.”

I swear it’s updated at least 2 or 3 times since the election.  I just upgraded to v3.08 within the last week.  I am, however, willing to cut Mozilla some slack because they’re open-source freeware venders.

But Google is huge.  Why can’t they spend a dollar or two to fix the spellchecker in Chrome, especially if they want people to adopt it?  They brag about how fast it is, etc. (I use it and like it a lot), but what about something as simple as an updated dictionary?...

There is no social issue that is more defining for biblical Christians than that of marriage and life.

That’s a curious statement

I read it as a fairly transparent weasel statement. Do these people want segments of their intended audience getting pissed and excommunicating them for having priorities that are off by a millimeter or two? No, they do not.

So they come up with this sentence, which if you think about it, basically says “There’s nothing more important for Christians than, you know, all that stuff we’re right about.”