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Unitarians speak out about the politics of the church shooting

The Boston Globe has an excellent article on how rattled the Unitariasn are by the shooting by domestic terrorist Jim Adkisson in the Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church. The liberal denomination is aghast at the declared motivations of the crime.

“The first reaction is, ‘Why a Unitarian Universalist church, and why go in there when there are children there and try to kill people because of liberalism?’ ” said the Rev. Kristen Harper, minister of the Unitarian Church of Barnstable on Cape Cod.

“Even though he’s crazy, you still wonder, why a liberal church, and how does shooting up liberals make sense?” she said. “For people to use violence against us, it’s really sad.”

...“If you ask members of our congregations in the South, they will tell you that they function as sanctuaries in an environment that is dominated by the more fundamentalist Christian traditions, and they’re quite clear that one of the functions they play is to be sanctuaries for persons who have a hard time finding sanctuary elsewhere,” said the denomination’s president, the Rev. William G. Sinkford, who also traveled to Knoxville Monday.

“The shooter clearly articulated that he had a problem with what he described as the liberal movement and said that because he couldn’t get to the leaders of the liberal movement, he was going to attack those who supported them,” Sinkford said.

“But there’s a vast difference between having a philosophical disagreement with someone and entering a sanctuary with a sawed-off shotgun and beginning to shoot, and my judgment is he lost the battle with his demons,” he said.

In wingnut land, they are desperately trying to disconnect Adkisson from their shared political beliefs, deeming it as simply mental illness. Well, I guess on the left have come to the conclusion that a significant portion of the right is suffering from some sort of delusion. Jesus’ General wrote a letter to Confederate Yankee:

Your post on the Knoxville church shooting was just about perfect. I particularly enjoyed how you admonished those who would use the tragedy to “go on a shrieking political bender,” after you so shrilly declared it to be an example of Christian persecution.

Please note, however, that I described the post as being “just about perfect.” As good as it was, it could have been better. I think you stumbled when you described the church as being Christian. I don’t think you really believe that, do you? We are talking about a Unitarian Universalist church here after all. No true Confederate Christian believes Unitarians are Christian. Hell, they’re worse than the Catholics and Mormons combined.

You should have just called it a Southern Baptist church. Doing so would have made your Christian persecution argument much more compelling.

Below the fold, Dave Neiwert shares nice conservative talking points calling for violence against liberals.
They own Jim Adkisson. A few choice selections:

Lee Rogers: “[T]he day will come when unpleasant things are going to happen to a bunch of stupid liberals and it’s going to be very amusing to watch.”

Rush Limbaugh: “I tell people don’t kill all the liberals. Leave enough so we can have two on every campus—living fossils—so we will never forget what these people stood for.”

RedState contributor “Thomas Crown”:I repeat: Should the entire American Left fall over dead tomorrow, I would rejoice, and order pizza to celebrate. They are not my countrymen; they are animals who happen to walk upright and make noises that approximate speech. They are below human. I look forward to seeing each and every one in Hell.

Rabbi Daniel Lapin:There were, and are, “two incompatible moral visions for this country. We had to settle it then. We’re going to have to settle it now. I hope not with blood, not with guns, but we’re going to have to settle it nonetheless. The good news is that I think our side is finally ready to settle it. Roll up its sleeves, take off its jacket, and get a little bloody. Spill a little blood. We’ll settle it. And we’ll win. And then there’s no holding us back.

Ann Coulter:“We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too.”

Joe M. Richardson, letter to Editor and Publisher: I say start executing the leftists in our country, soon.

Rep. Peter King: And Joe Wilson has no right to complain. And I think people like Tim Russert and the others, who gave this guy such a free ride and all the media, they’re the ones to be shot, not Karl Rove.

“Sock” Sokolowski, to Stephanie Miller: As with Cindy Sheehan the best thing that could happen to you would be seeing some WONDERFUL activist sticking an AK-47 up your Glory Holes and sending you into eternity… I would gather my 1st amendment rights permit me to HOPE (!) and PRAY (!) that someone decides you’re better off as statistics. Honestly, should I hear of either you leaving this earth prematurely I would initiate a personal celebration that would make Animal House appear to be just another quiet Sunday in church.

Melanie Morgan: “We’ve got a bull’s-eye painted on [Nancy Pelosi’s] big, wide laughing eyes.”

Kathleen Parker: Here’s a note I got recently from a friend and former Delta Force member, who has been observing American politics from the trenches: “These bastards like Clark and Kerry and that incipient ass, Dean, and Gephardt and Kucinich and that absolute mental midget Sharpton, race baiter, should all be lined up and shot.”

John Shelley: All verminous, hate-America, liberal-socialist-commie filth should be contained and selectively eliminated.

Paul Cameron: “Unless we get medically lucky, in three or four years, one of the options discussed will be the extermination of homosexuals.”

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Transgender eyewitness at Knoxville church shooting on Mike Signorile Show today

Listen in to The Michelangelo Signorile Show today (Sirius XM Radio’ s OutQ, Channel 109) at 4:30 ET to hear the story of Carla Lewis, a transgender congregant at the Knoxville Tennessee Valley Unitarian Universalist Church who was there when the gunfire rang out.

Carla, a regular church congregant and website manager for the Tennessee Transgender Political Coalition joins us to share her eye-witness account of the tragic events as they unfolded, and her realization that this was an anti-liberal anti-gay attack, spurred on by conservative hate.

You can tune in via free 3-day pass.

Related:
* Unitarians speak out about the politics of the church shooting
* Shooting in Tennessee—Knoxville church had just put up gay-affirming sign
* Freepers on TN church shooting - more guns needed in church

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 02:30 PM • (40) Comments

Ugh.  It’s easy to forget sometimes what an undercurrent of violence there is running through our society.  Disagree with someone’s politics?  Shoot ‘em.  Invade their countries, kill their leaders, etc. etc.

Comment #1: JoeBlu  on  07/31  at  02:38 PM

Good God, what is the matter with these people?  They are all just full of hate and violence.  They have no empathy and just stink of evil.

Comment #2: Rider3  on  07/31  at  02:46 PM

those quotes would be sad if they weren’t so scary. Adult thinking, voting (!) beings are walking around with this kind of rage inside them every day? Calling anyone who does not think like them sub-human? Saying that generals who proudly served this country should be lined up against a wall and shot because they aren’t worth keeping around?

This is genuinely frightening stuff, and I’m getting more scared for the future knowing this is out there. What happens in November if Obama is elected and the job market continues its decline, and the dollar continues its decline, and there are more unemployed men on the streets armed with guns and rage and righteous indignation? Wasn’t that the recipe for Timothy McVeigh? Isn’t that the recipe for a percentage (likely large, but I don’t have stats for this) of domestic terrorism?

Comment #3: kodiak  on  07/31  at  02:54 PM

I am member of a Unitarian Universalist church in the south with very similar demographics to TVUUC. I particularly resonate with the above quote from William Sinkford. My church is truly a refuge in a sea of homophobia and various forms of bigotry disguised by southern gentility.  I can say for myself that healing from this event is going to be a long term process.

Comment #4: centaur  on  07/31  at  03:03 PM

And the lead story on CNN.com today was about a bunch of Pennsylvania teenagers who beat a Mexican man to death, about 10 miles from Hazleton, where they tried to pass a bunch of draconian anti-immigrant laws.  I’m sure that also has nothing to do with right-wing rhetoric.

I hope and believe Republicanism/conservatism is going down, but it’s scary to think how much shit they’re going to stir up on their way out.

Comment #5: michael  on  07/31  at  03:03 PM

Bob “Treason-in-Defense-of-Slavery Yankee” Owens is an execrable human being to begin with.  I’d like to say this is a new low for him, but I’d probably be proven wrong.

And the fact that if you took the names off those quotes the only difference between them and the stuff you regularly post from the freepers in the comments sections across the blogosphere is their improved spelling and punctuation really hits home just how rotten and dangerous the conservative movement has become.  I wish this incident would open their eyes and make them realize just what a cesspool they’re turning this country into, but I doubt they have functioning consciences left anymore and too many years of playing “not my fault - it’s the liberals fault” probably means that its only a matter of time before we hear one of those “notable” figures of the conservative movement blame liberals for this church shooting.

Comment #6: NonyNony  on  07/31  at  03:08 PM

The upside is that the people quoted are actually too cowardly to back up their tough talk, as are most of the people who listen to and agree with them. The downside is that it only takes a few to cause tremendous damage.

Comment #7: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/31  at  03:26 PM

...I’m getting more scared for the future knowing this is out there.

I guess that’s the whole point of terrorist threats and acts.  I’m sure Adkisson thought he’d be sending a clear message to all of his “enemies”.  Just like Ann Coulter said, tell those liberals that we will kill them too if they don’t renounce their evil ways.

Comment #8: charles  on  07/31  at  03:30 PM

Rush et al are simply choosing to selectively forget their old stand-by: you reap what you sow.

Agreed; they own this one.

Comment #9: louise  on  07/31  at  03:32 PM

Re: being scared… okay- I see that. So… what are YOU going to do about this fear within you?

Hiding, worrying, keeping silent, etc gives quiet affirmation to those who would do this again. That CANNOT be allowed. It will embolden others to continue this destruction of humanity.

This sort of incident only makes me even MORE DETERMINED to voice my support of LGBT causes, to never sit silently when I see a wrong committed out of racism, bigotry and hatred, to loudly denounce evil and openly support those who either need it or are working hard against the evil.

Comment #10: louise  on  07/31  at  03:39 PM

The Confederacy=treason.  I have never seen that refuted.

Comment #11: Mikey  on  07/31  at  03:46 PM

Today (and for the weekend I think) here in Seattle there are roaring blue death machines flying OVER THE CITY giving me some serious stress.
These are machines to KILL people flying a very small distance over building that have thousands of people in them (in most cases).
I just don’t understand why a city like Seattle wastes it’s money on this B.S. but then it’s all a part of the ‘Merkin culture of the glorification of death and killing. Just like right wing radio.
I just want to drop out of this crap most daysbecause society in general makes me ill… then I find a bright spot and feel slightly better- sometimes.
*sigh*

Comment #12: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/31  at  04:00 PM

Hiding, worrying, keeping silent, etc gives quiet affirmation to those who would do this again. That CANNOT be allowed. It will embolden others to continue this destruction of humanity.

I’d like to see where I advocated keeping silent in any way.

My biggest concern is that one lone nut can do worlds of harm that normal sane people don’t see coming. That was the point of the McVeigh reference. Unfortunatly, just like the 9.11 attacks, good people act after the fact because to act before concrete steps are taken is monstrous, and acting after concrete steps are taken is too late. The bad guys always have the element of suprise, because who would expect that the musical “Annie” would be turned into a shooting alley? Who would suspect a hijacking that wasn’t a hostage situation? Who would expect… when you aren’t crazy, you don’t expect these things to happen…

This shooting is an excellent example. Before he walked into that church I could be as loud as I wanted opposing his views, and come down as strongly as I could about gun laws and the right to expression for everyone (including the hated liberals) but I couldn’t advocate shutting him up (free speech for all, even the horrible ones) and I couldn’t have advocated his arrest (based on legally owned weapons and books). I could have been as loud as possible in my defence of the GLBT community, and I feel that I often am (even though I’m not personally GLBT and so it’s not always on the top of my list of things that affect my day-to-day) and in this case it would not have made a single bit of difference. What will make a difference I’ve been doing for a while as an avid reader of bloggers like Niewert and Spocko, undermining the voices that give focus to this kind of violence by trying to deny them funding. But that’s a slow method, and only hits one voice at a time if it hits at all.

The fact that this behaviour worries and scares me does not intimidate me or prevent me from speaking my mind. In fact it galvanizes me more often than not, making me take action when I would not have otherwise. But it still scares me; that’s the kind of worrier I am (and assuming that hiding, worrying and keeping silent are all the same thing is ridiculous…). Good that you’re not I guess, but please don’t judge me based on what you think I do instead of what I do. That strawman was quite insulting.

Comment #13: kodiak  on  07/31  at  04:03 PM

Well, I’m in Seattle too, and I personally ENJOY the screaming death machines.  It’s exhilarating to view the pilots’ competence.  Sound of freedom, baby.

Comment #14: Eric, Rejector of Memes  on  07/31  at  04:07 PM

I blogged about this very thing yesterday at my place The “culture war” rhetoric IS the reason for such hateful acts, make no mistake.

Comment #15: Neko Onna  on  07/31  at  04:10 PM

I’m not so much scared as creeped out and ANGRY!

How dare they try to make our country out-and-out fascist. How dare they poison the ears and minds of the gullible.

Are liberals being threatened simply because they think we’re soft and weak? I see a greater need, at least, for me to speak out LOUDLY about my politics, so they know we aren’t few, ashamed, and frightened.

Comment #16: Samantha Vimes  on  07/31  at  04:16 PM

Adult thinking, voting (!) beings are walking around with this kind of rage inside them every day? Calling anyone who does not think like them sub-human?

This attitude is well represented among both liberals and conservatives.

They are all just full of hate and violence.  They have no empathy and just stink of evil.

All of them? That’s a rather sweeping generalization.

Comment #17: jed  on  07/31  at  04:31 PM

Is it just me, or has this story nearly vanished from mainstream media? On monday, it was all over the television news programs, especially the woman who said this guy hated Christians.  Now that his hatred of liberals has come to light, I haven’t heard a peep from the TV news channels.

Comment #18: The Other Will  on  07/31  at  04:32 PM

I’ve noticed the same, The Other Will.

Comment #19: annejumps  on  07/31  at  04:36 PM

What exactly do these people have to fear about liberal individuals? “Oh no, they want those poor kids who already get free lunch to have free health care, too! But I really WANTED to see them die of their asthma in PE class!” or perhaps it’s, “We can’t let those women out of the kitchen; they’re taking jobs from hard-workin’ white ‘Murkin men! We must never question the idea that a penis makes one human!” They whine about the “socialist agenda” of the blue states, but the “blue” states are the rich ones while the “red” states make up the poorer ones. If it weren’t for the federal government sucking the money out of our economy, they wouldn’t have their little schools to teach kids to not think in.

Comment #20: Sara Pulis  on  07/31  at  04:45 PM

“This attitude is well represented among both liberals and conservatives.” 

This false mythology of moral equivalency between the right and the left is the greatest lie the right has dreamed up yet. Constant eliminationist rhetoric and death threats from the right is not
the same as getting your feelings hurt by some mean old feminist.

Comment #21: centaur  on  07/31  at  04:45 PM

They are all just full of hate and violence. They have no empathy and just stink of evil.

All of them? That’s a rather sweeping generalization.

I can see where you’re going with this IF by “All of them” you mean “all conservatives” or “all fundies.” But would you complain if the sentiment was directed only towards those who made the statements quoted above (and others who feel/think the same way)?

Comment #22: Stephen  on  07/31  at  05:00 PM

Why isn’t it still all over the news? because time marches on.


my new band name: Screaming Death Machines

Comment #23: Indy  on  07/31  at  05:02 PM

kodiak, we’re both scared-upset-angry-pissed… alot of people are. I’m sorry that I phrased myself badly.

What bothers me, beyond this incident itself, is the knowledge that absolutely jack-shit will be done in a practical sense throughout this country; this will become old news. And there will be another shooting, and another…

Balance that with being cautiously pro-guns and it makes for some serious contradictions. This guy was professionally trained in the military how to care for, use and respect weaponry. That’s good; IMO anyone who owns any sort of rifle, hand gun or what have you SHOULD BE REQUIRED to be licensed in proper usage/maintainence courses and skills testing. No “grandfathering” because you have always hunted your entire life (as most of my own family). Registering of all weapons on a national database, same as a vehicle. Conviction of a felony means you lose all rights to own or be in possession of a firearm.

All completely impractical, I know. And doubtful it would have made a damned bit of difference.

Comment #24: louise  on  07/31  at  05:17 PM

Why isn’t it still all over the news? because time marches on.

Yeah. It just marches faster when the victims aren’t anyone the collective “we” cares about. That’s all. Now calm your pretty heads and listen to the loud old man on the TV.

Comment #25: The One True Vegan  on  07/31  at  05:21 PM

I am pissed off that random-conservative-blogger-A claimed us as persecuted Christians. We are not (all, only, primarily, or mostly) Christians. We are not all gay or liberal, for that matter, but I’d rather we be remembered as martyrs to those causes.

James Reeb was a Unitarian minister. So was Viola Liuzzo. There are Unitarian churches in the Deep South that were built during the civil rights struggle that have no windows because of the risk of snipers.

The other thing is: If this particular right-wing crazy receives the death penalty, there will be Unitarians outside protesting said death penalty, because that is what we do. We are as organized as a herd of cats and some days we don’t believe in much of anything, as a group, but that is just who we are.

Comment #26: purpleshoes  on  07/31  at  05:46 PM

Before someone fact-checks me, Viola Liuzzo was a lay member, sorry.

Comment #27: purpleshoes  on  07/31  at  05:47 PM

I personally ENJOY the screaming death machines.  It’s exhilarating to view the pilots’ competence.  Sound of freedom, baby.

So, Eric what’s the difference between this crap that’s foisted upon us (and our ears) and watching that psycho take aim with a semi-automatic shotgun in a church? Both things have the end aim of death. 
I suppose the sound of bullets in an enclosed area is also the sound of freedom?
/snark

Comment #28: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/31  at  06:21 PM

Piss off, Indy.  How long did it take for time to march on when the story was Jeremiah Wright?  CNN was doing freaking 2 hour specials about him.  And as far as I know, Rev. Wright never shot anyone.

Comment #29: Donna  on  07/31  at  06:46 PM

“What exactly do these people have to fear about liberal individuals?”
The murder of over a million babies a year would be one answer they would give.  It’s one of the reason they view you as subhuman.

Comment #30: Dr T  on  07/31  at  06:55 PM

Similarly you view conservatives as animalistic (seen the description hundreds of times in these pages) for their positions and actions surrounding wars, capital punishment, birth control, and health care.

Comment #31: Dr T  on  07/31  at  06:59 PM

Similarly you view conservatives as animalistic (seen the description hundreds of times in these pages) for their positions and actions surrounding wars, capital punishment, birth control, and health care.

And yet you don’t hear about liberals snapping, going into churches, and firing shotguns blasts at little kids singing “Annie.”  Funny that it seems to be conservatives who consider others so subhuman that they don’t mind killing a few at random.

Comment #32: Mnemosyne  on  07/31  at  07:05 PM

Similarly you view conservatives as animalistic (seen the description hundreds of times in these pages)

Find the place “in these pages” where one of the writers for this site advocates murder, as in the multiple instances cited above.

Comment #33: dan  on  07/31  at  08:38 PM

The murder of over a million babies a year would be one answer they would give.  It’s one of the reason they view you as subhuman.

But the murder of a million Iraqis?  YEEHAW!!  Say Dr T, if every Iraqi were assigned an embryo and a stem cell, would that change your opinion on the war?

Comment #34: Donna  on  07/31  at  09:15 PM

Well clearly all those quotes at the top were taken out of context.

Or something.

“Taken out of context” = “Hey! No fair calling me on my bullshit!”

Comment #35: dave  on  07/31  at  09:25 PM

The murder of over a million babies a year would be one answer they would give.

Cuz only liberals want to keep a woman’s choice safe and available.

Comment #36: Uncle Mike  on  07/31  at  10:27 PM

“So, Eric what’s the difference between this crap that’s foisted upon us (and our ears) and watching that psycho take aim with a semi-automatic shotgun in a church? Both things have the end aim of death. “

Wow, if you don’t know, your grasp of reality is such that telling you won’t help.  (And every fucking year I hear this whinging about the Blue Angels, bored now.)

Comment #37: Eric, Rejector of Memes  on  07/31  at  10:46 PM

Dr Troll comes back again, lying AGAIN.

Clumps of cells aren’t babies, “doctor”.  So why don’t you and your hatemongering, murder-advocating, far-right friends just fucking get out of my country and get off of my planet?

Oh, and Eric?  We’ve already established you’re a douche, now shut the fuck up while the adults are talking, little boy.

Comment #38: Damian  on  08/01  at  12:29 AM

I’m Also in Seattle:

So, the Blue Angels annoy the bejeebers out of me, too (one of my best friends here used to directly under their flightpath, worked nights, and as such had to take refuge elsewhere on the days they practice). However, comparing an aerial acrobatics show using military planes to this shooting is just straight-up weird. It’s like saying that an Olympics sharpshooting event is exactly like the Columbine shootings, or that fencing competitions are exactly like killing people with swords. Like, okay, fuck the Blue Angels, yo, they’re way too loud, but comparing having to listen to loud noises to getting shot is, well, I don’t know where to start. It’s self-important, self-obsessed, over-the-top and, worst of all, off-topic.

Comment #39: You Can't Tip a Buick  on  08/01  at  12:29 AM

They do have…. interesting…. thought processes. I saw a wingnut commentator on another site, think it was Yglesais’s, argue that everyone who advocated gun control should be tried as a traitor because such persons were somehow violating the 2nd Amendment.

Comment #40: sunsin  on  08/01  at  05:45 AM
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