Dehumanizing, racist metaphors—such a way to win people over. ::headdesk::

I am much dumber now for following that link.

The “Lando Calrissian underoos” was good, though.

I don’t even understand the metaphor.

But it did make me hungry…

I don’t understand. Does anyone ever make the argument that African-Americans should move, as one man, to voting GOP solely because the Democratic Party “takes them for granted”? That’s about it, right? It does make one think, though. You consider how many white folks have traditionally voted against every economic interest they could have solely to stick it to the n-words, what would they do were African-Americans were to switch totally to the GOP? Explode, perhaps?

“diversity fatigued”?  Really?  My, that’s offensive.  Let’s just stop respecting anyone who doesn’t think like we do?

He does know that the rest of the conservatives hate him because he’s black, right?

At one time, black folks voted (when they could) overwhelmingly for the GOP in greater numbers than they do for the Democrats today.  If today’s GOP wishes to recapture that loyalty, perhaps they should recall what they had to do to earn that loyalty in the first place.  Black folks are smart enough to know who hates them and works against their interests.

Jesse, it’s the fault of black people for being so predictable, voting for people who are at least embarrassed by it when they realize they’ve done or said something racist.  It’s just as predictable as Hispanics voting for the candidate who won’t demand they be deported before finding out whether they are, in fact, here illegally.  Minorities should stay fresh, following the lead of elderly Florida Jews and once in a while throw the nation a curve ball by accidentally voting en masse for someone who actively wishes your demographic harm.

At one time, black folks voted (when they could) overwhelmingly for the GOP in greater numbers than they do for the Democrats today.  If today’s GOP wishes to recapture that loyalty, perhaps they should recall what they had to do to earn that loyalty in the first place.

Very simple: Not be the party that obstructed civil rights.

But it’s a little late to turn back the clock on that one.

Very simple: Not be the party that obstructed civil rights.

But it’s a little late to turn back the clock on that one.

Hell, not be the party that continues to obstruct civil rights.  But of course, the Republican Party is not going to screw over (or even risk mildly displeasing) its racist base (or its racist leadership) to actually earn the votes of any substantial numbers of black people, and being the party that regularly confuses dissent with censorship, equality with special rights, antidiscrimination laws with violation of religious freedom, and just generally don’t get the whole “other people have valid interests and tend to vote those interests” concept, they see nothing wrong with expecting a whole group of people to discard their own best interests in favor of what is convenient to those same selfish, thoughtless and contemptuous Republican Party talking heads, just because the Republican Party wants their votes, and what the Republican Party wants is the only thing worth considering.

This reminds me of an American Thinker article that tried to convince Jews to vote Republican, but the same article stated that Jews voted Democrat because they have an irrational hatred of Christians.

They’d have a much better chance of winning over hispanics. They may as just give up trying to get the black vote right now, it is tilting at windmills even without the racist metaphors.

But of course the Republican Party is so full of racist clowns they can’t put aside their irrational hatred for the darker hued to make common cause with the social conservatism of a good chunk of latinos. They’d rather hate than win elections.

Shit. I knew, I KNEW I shouldn’t click on that link. I’ll never get back the huge number of neurons that died as a result.

Don’t beat around the bush, Jesse.  Tell us how you really feel about this Afrocity fellow.

I refuse to read anything Afrocity writes until I see his original Kenyan birth certificate.

Ah, yes…black Republicans, LOL. You know, sometimes I almost think black Republicans don’t really want a lot of other blacks to become Republican. Every time they try to persuade, they end up offending. You’d almost think it was on purpose,

Sorry, but the “blacks always vote Democrats, so they take them for granted” meme doesn’t make people powerless.

Chicago is a Democratic city.  The real fights are during the primaries, since the Dems will trounce the Republicans in the general. 

There are at least 3 factions of Democrats—Daley’s crew, what’s left of Harold Washington’s crew, and Mike Madigan’s crew.  They are all mobbed up and corrupt, make no mistake, but you have a 3 party system in the primaries.

There’s no reason to take Democratic shit.  You just have to organize EARLIER.  Let them know if they don’t answer to you, the voter who put them there, THERE IS A PRIMARY COMING UP IN THE FUTURE. 

No, you won’t vote for the racist Republican.  But that doesn’t mean that you will vote for THEM if they treat you no better than racist Republicans.

The Democratic Party is a philandering husband and African-Americans are long-suffering wives? Dehumanize and feminize: the way to win friends and influence people!

There are at least 3 factions of Democrats—Daley’s crew, what’s left of Harold Washington’s crew, and Mike Madigan’s crew.  They are all mobbed up and corrupt, make no mistake, but you have a 3 party system in the primaries.

Yeah, they make the mistake of thinking the Democratic Party is just a left-wing mirror version of the Republican Party. They think that because in the Republican Party the nominee for every office is handpicked by a smoke-filled room beforehand, and the sheep in the Republican Party merely confirm it, that we do the same thing. Seriously, think of the last time an insurgent Republican won the Presidential nomination. It was 1964, and then only because nobody else wanted to run that year. And its the same for just about every Republican nominee of every office down to the local level.

And this is why Romeny will be the Republican nominee in 2012. He is “next in line”, and Rush and the corporate interests will fund him and tell the dittohead proles “Vote for Romney! Why? Shut up, that’s why!”

They will never have a candidate like Kennedy, or McGovern, or Carter, or Obama win their primaries, because people like that weren’t “next in line”.

“One thing I’m tired of is the constant repeating of the canard of Nixon’s “Southern Strategy” being poised to pick up southern whites because of racism. No, he was picking up us southern whites because the Democrats had turned against the war that they started. We southern whites turned away from the Party of Bull Conners and the Kleagle Byrd, the segregationist Fullbright. We southern whites turned to the Republicans who warned us of exactly what would happen in Southeast Asia if we failed there. Funny, it’s exactly what did happen.”

So says a commentator over there who is a white guy who served in Vietnam.

This totally opened up my eyes. I had no idea that civil rights legislation enacted by LBJ had absolutely no effect on the political landscape of America. Apparently the Republicans were able to seize the South by being pro-war, not by embracing any domestic racist agenda. Apparently the 1966 Congressional elections, which resulted in 47 seats changing hands from D to R (only slightly less than the number that changed hands in the 1994 Gingrinch-enshrining elections) had absolutely nothing to do with race. It had to do with the Democrats’ wishy-washy attitude towards the Vietnam War, which, is weird, because in 1965 and 1966 LBJ was _expanding_ American involvement in said conflict.

...I mean maybe I’m the stupid one here, I’m not 30 yet. Obviously a guy who lived through Vietnam must know more about what happened then then me. ...right?

We southern whites turned to the Republicans who warned us of exactly what would happen in Southeast Asia if we failed there. Funny, it’s exactly what did happen.”

They warned us that Vietnam would establish diplomatic relations with us 25 years later and turn into a big trading partner of the United States? What?

Black folks are smart enough to know who hates them and works against their interests.

But the GOP doesn’t know that.

Bush / Rove actually made a significant play for the black vote back in ‘02 and ‘04.  You think Colin Powell and Condi Rice got their posts by accident?  You think all those black people kept on turning up at Bush town hall meetings on camera by chance?  There was a significant effort to blackwash the GOP.

The Bush Admin tried the same trick with the “Guest Worker Program” and a number of Latino appointments - Gonzales most notably - to cabinet positions.  They were going for the Hispanic vote.  But the intra-party backlash ended up costing the GOP a great deal of internal support.  The entire reason you had Tancredo and Duncan Hunter running for President was to protest the attempted latino-“friendly” shift in GOP policies.

The GOP is never going to be a multi-ethnic group.  The party can’t bring itself to do it.  They’re too damn racist.  And they’re only growing older and crazier and more racist with time.

The GOP is never going to be a multi-ethnic group.

They never were outside the period where they got the African-American vote (1860s-1930s). They wouldn’t even let non-WASP whites in their party until the mid-20th Century.

Artiofab, if you think that’s a hoot, read this from Frances Rice, head of the National Black Republican Something Or Other:

“That strategy was designed to get the fair-minded people in the South to stop discriminating against blacks and to stop supporting a party that did not share their values.  So those fair-minded ones who migrated to the Republican Party did so.  They joined us, we did not join the racists.”

“We southern whites turned away from the Party of Bull Conners and the Kleagle Byrd, the segregationist Fullbright.”

...and joined the Party of Jesse Helms, Trent Lott, David Duke, etc.

Racism was so important to all those conservative whites that they switched from the Party they had always been a part of, and could hardly conceive of not being a part of, to join the Party they had hated with a fiery passion since the Civil War.  In the process, they have slowly driven anyone with any perspective and sense of decency out of the Republican Party.

Likewise African Americans, who had been die-hard Republicans since the end of the Civil War, rejected the increasing hate of the Republican Party to become Democrats, where at least their concerns were taken seriously, and the racism level was far lower.

In their hearts, the Party members never changed.  It was the Parties that changed to accommodate their new members…

We southern whites turned to the Republicans who warned us of exactly what would happen in Southeast Asia if we failed there. Funny, it’s exactly what did happen.

Thousands of young men would be abandoned by the government that drafted to fight in a war of agression to deal with PTSD, depression and unemployment?
The GOP would continue to use Vietnam and the Vets for political purposes fabricating stories about DFH spitting on soldiers?

Yep, that’s exactly what did happen.

We southern whites turned to the Republicans who warned us of exactly what would happen in Southeast Asia if we failed there. Funny, it’s exactly what did happen.

He’s right, you know.  We totatlly lost the Cold War, which is why we’re all speaking Russian today.

He’s right, you know.  We totatlly lost the Cold War, which is why we’re all speaking Russian today.

Remember, we only won the Cold War because Ronnie Ray-gun personally went to the Berlin Wall and knocked it down with his giant cod-piece, showing those Commies once and for all! Gorbachev, the Soviet/Eastern Bloc dissidents, and the fundamental weaknesses of a centrally planned economy had NOTHING to do with, neither did Truman, Kennedy, Johnson, or Carter.

/snark

Y’all are assuming Afrocity is a man. She isn’t.

Y’all are assuming Afrocity is a man. She isn’t.
OMG, on top of dehumanizing blacks , Afrocity was deeply misogynist and <u>she</u> is a <u>black</u> woman ?

Self hatred doesn’t begin to describe it. What’s next ? Afrocity is jewish and carries Obama = Hitler posters ?

Bush / Rove actually made a significant play for the black vote back in ‘02 and ‘04.

For me, the only thing more predictable than each cycle’s “GOP making a play for African-American voters” headlines is how transparent the effort is (i.e. revoking the capital gains and estate taxes will help blacks more than anything the gummint can do), how ratcheted-up the anti-voting acts get (really, no examples needed), and how badly it fails at the polls.

And a hat-tip to the media who can’t let go of the Southern Strategy as an All-Time, Never-Fail Winner!!11!1 for the GOP, but treat the “black vote ploy” seriously.

I love how you guys trounce the fuck out of people who disagree with your views, especially if that person happens to be a black conservative. And OMG, a black woman! Holy shitballs! Conveni

Hey cynikal, veterans in general usually vote GOP for two reasons:

1) Republicans usually don’t spit on us when we come home and call us baby killers, murderers, rapists, etc. See Vietnam, Code Pink

2) Their strong military stance.

They don’t use us, like some fucking tampon like the Democrats use you.

Republicans usually don’t spit on us when we come home and call us baby killers, murderers, rapists, etc. See Vietnam, Code Pink

See made up, bullshit.

They don’t use us

Oh…I’m so sorry about your eight-year coma. Sucks that you got hit on the head RIGHT before the last Republican president you’ll see in your lifetime.

They don’t use us

That was hard to hear with his head so firmly planted up a GOPie’s arse.

wtf, the Democrats have been the ones in the last several years trying to get the military pay raises, improve VA hospitals, get you body armor to wear in the field and mental health access when you get back. Pay attention to what goes on in Congress, rather than how the media frames the parties, and you’ll find out who really sees you as people on an important mission and not “fungible assets”.

Pay attention to what goes on in Congress, rather than how the media frames the parties, and you’ll find out who really sees you as people on an important mission and not “fungible assets”.

Real warriors don’t want any of those things. They only want the chance to die in glorious battle against the infi—oh, wait. nevermind.

Why should vets believe that Dems actually give a shit? I don’t speak for anyone but myself, but when shitbags like John Kerry talk shit about staying in school or ending up in Iraq or when Janet Napolitano says to beware of returning vets who vote third party because we might be recruited for some anti-government militia. Fuck that noise.

Auguste, if you’ve ever spoken to a Vietnam vet, they’ll tell you. As for Code Pink… I can’t make that bullshit up. Fuck them. They can go eat dinner with Jane fuckin’ Fonda then fall to their knees to worship the legendary buddy fucker.

lostmypassword, my head is up no one’s ass. Your lips are just on every Congressional Dem’s asshole. This is probably a new concept to you, but because I ridicule a really fucked up party (the Democrats) doesn’t mean I root for the equally fucked party (GOP).

Samantha, the Democrats don’t lobby Congress for body armor, groups like the VFW, Marine Corps League, etc. do that. They even go as far as to actually provide some of us with improved gear. I’ve never heard of a Democrat doing that. I’m so tired of this idea that Democrats are these squeaky clean, swell people when they honestly doen’t give two fucks about you and I. All they wanna do is cheat on their spouses and play some gold. Camelot, my ass! Military pay raise is a joke. I even argued with hardcore Republicans (suprising, eh?) because they were voting for Bush because he gave us a whopping 3% pay raise. They say under Clinton, he reduced military pay by 2%. I’m not in anymore, but I doubt a Democratic Congress will give the military a pay raise or raise BAH especially when he’s got all this shit on his table. Improving VA hospitals and a politicians “concern” about my mental health are a joke… on both sides. The Dems are doing a top job with improving the VA. I was just proving that the Democrat’s notion of supporting the troops is laughable.

paul, dying a natural death is for pussies. Write that down.

They will never have a candidate like Kennedy, or McGovern, or Carter, or Obama win their primaries, because people like that weren’t “next in line”.

Love or hate the man, you have to include Bill Clinton on that list… in 1992, he was just some hick philandering governor of Arkansas who almost nobody had ever heard of at the time.

As a matter of fact, all of the last 4 Democratic presidents we’ve had who were running against a Republican incumbency were brand new blood in their day - Kennedy, Carter, Clinton, and Obama.  It seems that the Dems have much worse results when they try to use the current GOP strategery of trotting out ol’ whatshisname.

And I agree that the 2012 GOP nominee will be another Republican has-been.  I’m thinking probably Romney, but if the ultra socially conservative “Jesus rode a velociraptor” Palinized base continues to increase their clout over the next 3 years, it could be Huckabee.  But I have no doubt that it will be one or the other.  It WON’T be Gingrich, Palin, or Jindal.

Just a side note: having recently finished The Autobiography Of Malcolm X, it’s a damn good book.

It’s fascinating to see his insights and perspectives. And, since it’s black activism mixed with Islam, it’s great for pissing off the rightwingers, which shouldn’t be seen as a direct benefit (deliberately kicking people in the shins pisses them off, too), but is a decent side benefit.

1) Republicans usually don’t spit on us when we come home and call us baby killers, murderers, rapists, etc. See Vietnam, Code Pink

You know, while I don’t think the tactics used by Code Pink are particularly useful at helping advance a progressive agenda, you really don’t have a fucking clue who Code Pink even is, do you douchebag?

In February 2003, just weeks before the invasion of Iraq, Code Pink organized its first trip to Iraq, and subsequently led 5 delegations there. These delegations included a trip with parents who had lost their children in Iraq, and also a trip with parents of active soldiers.

Virtually all liberals, including Code Pinkers, learned the lesson following the Vietnam War that in the act of protesting unjust and immoral wars, it is important to direct your ire at the political leaders who are responsible for those wars, not the troops who are sent to fight in them (often against their wishes).

I’d like even ONE example of Code Pinkers, or for that matter any current liberal group, who has EVER “spit on the faces” of our troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan.

Go fuck yourself, asshole.

I love the troops A HELL OF A LOT MORE than you neocon fucktards who send them out to die so your party’s rich contractor buddies can make a fortune off of their blood.  And the left has shown a BILLION times more gratitude for these men and women than chickenhawk pieces of shit like Bush and Cheney could ever dream of.  See, unlike you Republican assholes, my support for the troops trancends some stupid yellow ribbon on an SUV… I support causes aimed at bringing them home, and I support candidates who pledge to bring them home.  If you voted for Bush in 2004 (as I’m sure you did), you helped to kill several thousand troops by supporting a POS president who could care less about their welfare.

YOU have the blood on your fucking hands, you vile, despicable worthless pile of dog shit.  Go suck on a shotgun barrel, troglodyte.

A hell of a lot more Iraq War veterans have run for office as Democrats than Republicans.  See also: Webb, Jim.

Hey ass clown, I know exactly what Code Pink is and what they stand for. Code Pink WISHES the Iraq War was a second Vietnam. They’re extremely anti-war, anti-military. They flat out don’t give a shit about us, mental health, etc. 

Examples:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AmdrkmtkCw4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IGB8oZIpZM8

If you want spit, please, beg to be let in at your local VFW and ask a Vietnam vet. Please.

I personally love the fact that the city of Berkeley tried to ban Marine recruiters in the city. If they wanna do that, fine by me, but don’t expect federal funds or a lot of fans of their town.

Why don’t you go haze yourself. I don’t expect YOU to put a fuckin’ yellow ribbon on your Prius, just don’t fucking pretend that your party supports the troops more than the other. I didn’t get to vote in 2004 because I WAS IN IRAQ, you uneducated dick lick.

Please don’t tell me what I do or don’t have on my damn hands as I, unlike you, have actually had blood on my hands. Fortunately, I am learned in the safety of firearms, but please, play Russian roulette with yourself.

Again, you assume I’m some neocon chickenhawk. I’m not a neocon, or a chickenhawk. I actually served. So fuck you, you fucking fuck.

Um, Jim Webb (served in my regiment!) was in Vietnam. As for Iraq War vets who are in office… Patrick Murphy, D-PA, John Boccieri, D-OH, Mike Coffman, R-CO, Duncan D. Hunter, R-CA. However, it’s a bit too early for Iraq War vets to run for office in droves. I expect the vast majoriity of Iraq vets in office to be GOP. I’m not gonna sit here and go on a list-off of Republican Congressmen and Presidents who served in the military. It would take a while.

Please don’t tell me what I do or don’t have on my damn hands as I, unlike you, have actually had blood on my hands.

Yeah, hemorrhoids can really be nasty, romeoechomikefoxtrot.

paul, dying a natural death is for pussies. Write that down.

You’ve been saving that one up for a special occasion haven’t you.

Maybe you should haul your tough guy routine over to sign up with Blackwater/Xe. You sound like their type. Convinced you’re damn near the baddest thing on two legs, directionlessly angry and proud that you’ve killed people. They’d actually be impressed by that. Us? Not so much. Here, all your bluster doesn’t count for shit. You just end up looking like a cheap thug who wants people to cringe in fear when he speaks and doesn’t understand that text on a screen usually isn’t very scary.

Personally, what disturbed me most was not the offensive rhetoric but this:

When Al Gore lost his bid for the presidency in 2000, it was evident that African American voters had not turned out as they should have.

As if African-American voters just simply said “I dunno about Al Gore, maybe I just won’t vote”?  Does the author simply not know (or choose to know) about the massive disenfrinchisement of African-American voters in, e.g., FL?  It wasn’t that African-American voters just didn’t “turn out as they should have”: they were told “if you vote, you will be committing a felony”.  It was that in counties with large numbers of African-Americans (that used ballots you marked with pens that were very prone to leaving stray marks), voting machines were not set to reject improperly marked ballots, so many a ballot was neither rejected (so the voter knew to revote) nor counted.

True, the Democrats aren’t perfect (they didn’t make a BFD out of this ... but then again, “even the liberal media” was saying “we should move on and accept that GW Bush is the president”), but they were a whole lot better than the party which was actively pursuing voter suppression strategies straight out of the pre-Voting Rights Act era.

Did I miss some context/sarcasm to the comment I quoted or is the author that dense?

Artiofab, if you think that’s a hoot, read this from Frances Rice, head of the National Black Republican Something Or Other:

“That strategy was designed to get the fair-minded people in the South to stop discriminating against blacks and to stop supporting a party that did not share their values.  So those fair-minded ones who migrated to the Republican Party did so.  They joined us, we did not join the racists.”
Comment #24: Plantsmantx on 08/14 at 06:59 AM

Oh, of course the Civil Rights Movement was a Republican strategy aimed at breaking the one-party Jim Crow “Solid South,” for both partisan and principled reasons. That should be obvious in light of the fact that since 1968, at least one Senator and over half the Congressional delegations from majority-black states like Mississippi have been Republican African-Americans…

...oh, wait.

Seriously, I took a history class focused on the 1960s and at one point we were puzzling over just why, in the very decade where famous progress was made in the forms of both Civil Rights legislation and Supreme Court rulings such as Virgina v. Loving, it was also a decade of infamous urban rioting. Half a minute’s thought revealed to me—yeah, that was serious progress all right, but it mainly addressed the situation of Southern blacks living under the outrageous, legal oppression of Jim Crow. Meanwhile, one reason there was political clout for African-Americans before their mass disfranchisement in the South was addressed is that since WWI large numbers of them had left Dixie and were living in Northern cities—where they began influencing politics despite systematic (but not as blatantly encoded in laws) discrimination. Thus Harry Truman was already doing things like ordering the military to end racial discrimination within their ranks back in the 1940s—because he had serious blocs of black voters to pay attention to, outside the South.

(And he also had to face the secession of some Southern segregationist Democrats as “Dixiecrats,” again back in the 1940s).

And while Civil Rights-era changes were some benefit to these urban blacks, they completely failed to address many of the issues they were rioting about.

Abolition of Jim Crow—to the extent that actually happened; when I went to a public kindergarten in Panama City, Florida in 1970, if had just been integrated that year, and elsewhere integration was deferred year or even decades more, for instance—addressed a serious, but hardly the only, layer of systematic racial discrimination in this country. Seriously, since it is indeed a majority-black state, why is Mississippi not sending mostly African-Americans to Congress, under whatever party banner? Why is Arizona politics not dominated by Latinos and Native Americans?

If Frances Rice were making any sense, they’d be talking about some parallel universe where race/ethnicity were indeed some quaint relic of a nightmarish past and a modern Southern Republican would indeed be as likely to be black—or Latino—as white. Instead, looking at the makeup of their political “representation” one would assume Republican strongholds are far whiter than they demographically are. Kind of like South Africa’s government used to be 100 percent white, despite being a colony of less than 10 percent “Whites” in Africa. This explains why these politicians from these apartheid states are not only reactionaries but among the most extreme of their kind—they have to be, to stay “on top” when they quite manifestly don’t have the numbers to do it honestly.

Yeah, I was totally a REMF. Nice comeback.

Skullhunter, you piece of wannabe heavy metal shit… “dying a natural death is for pussies” was a bumper sticker I saw. And yes, I was saving that for paul. Actually, when I got out of the Corps, a few of us received e-mails from Blackwater, asking us to join… not a bad gig, but I preferred school to more tours in Iraq. Since when is being proud of my military service a bad thing? YOU, obviously don’t know shit about duty and honor. I fucking joined of my own free will. I have a viewpoint on an issue and I acted, unlike you who probably does nothing but yell at the TV. I’m absolutely convinced that I’m the most bad ass motherfucker, this side of the Euphrates, which makes me in absolutely no way “cheap.”

When you absolutely, positively need it destroyed overnight-USMC.

Oh you are just too cute for words.

Wannabe what, exactly? I’m not the one here swinging my dick around the thread. You don’t know what I do for a living. You don’t know what I do for fun. You don’t know what I do about my viewpoints (hint, it doesn’t involve yelling at inanimate objects). You know what name I go by here and you know I don’t find you impressive. Everything else is speculation and bumper stickers. And whatever it is you know about honor and duty, you obviously don’t know shit about service. You signed up of your own free will and then promptly forgot that nobody fucking owes you anything for it past thanks. We don’t owe you silence. We don’t owe you acquiescence to your opinions. We definitely don’t owe you applause for blowing in here with your internet tough guy act.

And seriously, you were in the Marines and the best thing you could come up with was “you piece of wannabe heavy metal shit”? How disappointing. “Gamer nerd” would be much closer to the mark. I’m sure even a fuckwitted blustering sack of testosterone poisoning and animal byproducts like you can do something with that, even if I did have to point your dumb ass in the right direction.

denelian’s right. All you’re doing here is attacking the people who’d rather that even a jackass like you wasn’t being sent off to get shot at for the benefit of the powerful and wealthy.

denelian, so, since al-Qaeda and the Taliban are based in Afghanistan, we are wrong for going to Afghanistan and fighting them? Whoever said we are fighting the country of Afghanistan is as dumb as Skullhunter. What we’ve gotten out of Afghanistan is a country that has a DEMOCRATIC election this very week and is a much better place to live in. Same with Iraq. How was the War in Iraq illegal? And if it was “illegal” why aren’t people and world leaders asking for the impeachment of Bush/Cheney? If this war was truly illegal, the issue of impeachment would be a mainstream idea.

I wasn’t saying everyone who has a political view opposite of mine has no sense of duty or honor, only Skullfucker.

Which leads me to NumbSkull, I never said anyone owes me shit. I don’t go around begging people for a fucking handshake or free drink. And you’re right, I don’t know shit about what you do or how you get your jollies off. And that’s the same for me. You don’t know what I’ve done, or what I do. How the fuck do you explain that I don’t know shit about service? You’re going to have to rephrase your last sentence so I can make a sufficient rebuttal, as it’s not grammatically correct. And you’re a self-professed “gamer nerd?” How awesome. I would love to “pwn” you on XBL.

wtf—the issue of impeachment *is* a mainstream idea.

http://www.democrats.com/bush-impeachment-poll-2

And has been for years.

Well, if you can actually read, I asked “How was the War in Iraq illegal? And if it was “illegal” why aren’t people and world leaders asking for the impeachment of Bush/Cheney? If this war was truly illegal, the issue of impeachment would be a mainstream idea.”

I’m not saying he shouldn’t be impeached for wiretapping, but saying the war in Iraq is illegal is downright idiotic. That was the question. Impeaching Bush for taking the initiative and overthrowing an unpopular dictator. This notion is not mainstream.

Interesting note, my U.S. Politics professor, who so professionally mentioned that he was a Democrat, mentioned that Bush has a house in Chile, so if he were to be prosecuted, he would just move there since Chile doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the U.S. I don’t know if that is credible, because I’ve not been able to find any source that says so.

So what did you expect us to do with al-Qaeda? Send them a e-mail asking them to come here and fight? Their base was and is in Afghanistan.

I agree with your point that the Taliban is gaining a lot of political power, however, they do it through fear and terrorizing the people of Afghanistan. Karzai’s passing of Sharia law only strengthens my position on the war in Afghanistan. This is unacceptable.

Now if this were truly illegal, wouldn’t Mr. Chirac or Mr. Sarkozy file a lawsuit against Bush? Wouldn’t the U.N. do something? They could, but the fact is, we are a sovereign state, and France or the U.N. have no power over us. All they can really do is condemn us while we shake in our boots. Again, if this were against the Geneva Conventions, Bush would be tried in an international court, which six years later, has not or will never happen.

WE did not put him in power. We let him take control because he was an anti-commie.

We, the U.S., are not at war with the country of Afghanistan. We are at war with al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

The U.N. is so fucking pointless. They honestly can’t do shit about anything because the U.S., U.K. France, Russia, and China have permanent veto powers in the Security Council. If they can’t stop a war or genocide or anything, what are they good for? I agree that they’ve said shit, but that’s all. So the bottom line: the U.N. can talk all the shit they want, but they are pointless in regards of them actually asserting their opinion because they are not a sovereign entity. It’s only use has been promoting world health and debating.

We never declared war on Afghanistan. We toppled the government due to the fact that the Taliban government was funding ,aiding, abetting al-Qaeda. The Taliban was simply a religious movement, who had substancial power in government. They refused to hand over Asshole bin Laden, so we teamed with the Northern Alliance and overthrew them. We never declare war on anyone except terrorism. Rest assured, that someday we will leave, and hopefully they’ll be able to have peaceful elections, but as you see from the news today, the Taliban has attempted to thwart democracy.

I wish the U.N. was effective, when it comes to world health, but it’s not. They set their standards way to high for developing countries. So when a country like the U.K. does well and a country like Rwanda doesn’t, it makes them look real bad, and they could stop funding. Countries like this need baby steps.

The fact that there is always a veto, for instance, an action against the governement of Sudan was vetoed by China. With the permanent five members of the U.N.S.C., there’s not a lot that can be done, since China or Russia would always veto a measure proposed by us, France, or the U.K., so it’s pointless. None of us will give the U.N. power because each country enjoys sovereignty. No one wants a multi-national organization fiddling with their domestic affairs.