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Well, Poop

Economy

A new study shows, rather unsurprisingly, that people who take out payday loans often need more than one loan.  By the time that someone is at the point that they’re looking to get an advance on money they’re already going to be receiving, and getting it at a stiff penalty, that single advance is not going to set things straight.  The person getting the loan likely can’t afford the penalty to begin with, and what they’re most likely doing is deciding to pay penalty A (the high fees on a payday loan) over penalty B (the shutdown of utilities, ruining of credit rating, etc.).  Should you need one more bit of evidence that payday loans are little more than modern-day financial slavery, there you go.

Now, the interesting part about all of this is that I logged into my bank account this morning.  No, really, me logging into my bank is fascinatingly amazing.

I bank (well, now, banked) at Fifth Third, which notified me of a great new option this morning: Fifth Third Early Access.  Were this a 1950s musical, you’d probably wander up to me dressed in your Sunday best and say, “Sir, that sounds fantastic! I do love accessing my bank, and good ol’ Ben Franklin himself said that bein’ early was great!”

And then, because I’m a cynical 21st century scam artist masquerading as the Good Humor man or whatever people in olden times bought their cocaine-laced sodas from, I sign you up for a direct deposit payday loan with a mere 120% APR.  Details below the fold:

  • Real-time transaction where you can transfer cash into your associated checking account.
  • Automatic payoff of each outstanding Advance balance and associated finance charge. Payments will be automatically deducted from your associated checking account on your next qualifying direct deposit of $100 or more. If there is an outstanding balance on the 35th day after each Advance, we will automatically pay off the outstanding Advance balance from the associated checking account.
  • Associated finance charge with advance is 10% ($1 for every $10 borrowed) each time you make an advance, which equates to an 120% Annual Percentage Rate (APR).
  • Advances can be made in dollar increments up to your maximum credit limit. If your associated checking account is negative, an advance must bring your checking account to a positive status before you can access your full credit limit.

So, not only do you get to go through a paperless payday loan that’s automatically processed by the bank (which may or may not happen in “real time” and may or may not clear your account in time for an impending bill), but your payment is also automatically deducted from your account on the 35th day.  If you don’t have the money in your account, you will, of course, overdraft (and chances are, you will, and chances are, you’ll do it multiple times because of the old “largest payments first” rule).  But don’t worry, there are protections (PDF link).  For instance, you may only overdraft 20 times (at $35 a pop) before you’re not allowed to take out an advance…for one month.  And then you can do it all over again.

It’s not just that this is predatory lending - it is - but that it takes the old, comfortable way of getting ripped off and makes it so much cooler.  And by cooler, I mean likely to cost hundreds of dollars more than a typical payday loan because it’s tied directly into every other financial transaction you make. 

Credit union, here I come…

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 11:49 AM • (57) Comments

I sometimes wonder why we don’t make all this “capitalism” a little bit easier for everyone.

Let’s all just work our asses off, let our wages go into a big pool of money, let the economic predators take what they want (probably all of it) and divide it amongst themselves, and in return we’ll be given a meal or two a day, some rags to wear, and a cardboard box to live in.

We’re headed that way anyway, so why not cut to the chase…

Apparently Marx was right all along…

Comment #1: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  11:59 AM

Just sounds like capitalism to me.

Jessie, why do you and MikeEss hate America?

Comment #2: ummeli  on  07/09  at  12:07 PM

Wells Fargo was doing this five years ago, so it’s nothing all that new, and it’s part of the reason I was glad to see my outstanding debt to them washed away by Chapter 7 not long ago. I hope you let the bank know that this sort of policy is the reason why you’re taking your business elsewhere.

Comment #3: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/09  at  12:09 PM

“Jessie, why do you and MikeEss hate America?”

In my case, I look back on my experiences and wonder why it took me so long to realize there’s a lot to hate…

I have a relationship with America similar to my relationship with my dad.  We go back a long ways together; I’ve always tried to be a good citizen/son, but this is usually not reciprocated; I’ve tried to make things better, while the other parties seems bent on making things worse; I have love for it/him, but I also have hate.

It’s a really complicated relationship, not all bad, but also not clearly rewarding either — and you can’t really get out of it very easily…

Comment #4: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  12:18 PM

Years ago, I wrote an essay that began, “I wish I knew how to quit you, America, but I keep on coming back no matter how many times you break my heart….”

Comment #5: Dr. Psycho  on  07/09  at  12:22 PM

First of all, “Fifth Third Bank”? That name doesn’t even make any sense.

Secondly, “Credit union, here I come…”. Do this. Joining the credit union & telling Bank of America to fuck off was one of the most enjoyable days of my life.

Comment #6: Mark  on  07/09  at  12:22 PM

I have a relative who is (thankfully) no longer speaking to me who works at Fifth Third. But I digress.

In my state, the argument that political puppets of banks made about payday lending was that “people would just borrow the money from somewhere less safe like from loan sharks.” Because even if it weren’t ridiculous to think that there are loan sharks just lurking on every corner, how are they worse than the bank?  How is being the financial indentured servant to a bank better than letting Sweet Daddy Williams’ goons beat the crap out of me? At least the ass whipping would end. You will never get out of owing money to a bank; they will come after your relatives when you die (even though that is illegal in most states).

Comment #7: DC Fem  on  07/09  at  12:23 PM

ummeli,
Since when does America=capitalism? The first can refer to a geographical area, a political entity, a group of people, even an idea based (if I get all USA-centric) on the Constitution, but in no way does it necessarily equal the capitalist economic system. A better question might be why you don’t understand that difference (assuming you’re being serious—if you’re just taking the piss, then sorry for the snarky reply).

Comment #8: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/09  at  12:23 PM

Incertus, I’m sure ummeli was snarking…

Comment #9: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  12:30 PM

Sorry Incertus, it was supposed to be a joke.

“Jessie, why do you and MikeEss hate America?”

In my case, I look back on my experiences and wonder why it took me so long to realize there’s a lot to hate…

LOL.  If you ever find yourself in Columbus, Ohio, MikeEss, the beers are on me.  grin

Comment #10: ummeli  on  07/09  at  12:31 PM

That’s what I get for not hanging out in the comments as much as I used to. Sorry, ummeli.

Comment #11: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/09  at  12:33 PM

Thanks!...

Comment #12: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  12:34 PM

Credit union, here I come…

That’s the way anyone who has the option is going. When a bank is desperate enough to engage in such sleazy practises against its own customers, it’s no place to keep your money.

You might want to send in a tip to the Consumerist site as well—they’re pretty good when it comes to spreading the word about this kind of scam, and they seem to credit the original post with a link. The site already has a number of stories about this shady bank.

Comment #13: Gracchus.  on  07/09  at  12:35 PM

That’s what I get for not hanging out in the comments as much as I used to. Sorry, ummeli.

NP. wink

Comment #14: ummeli  on  07/09  at  12:44 PM

This is a long, but really informative article from about three years ago in the Houston Press on Payday loans, rent-to-own, pawnshops and other quick ways of obtaining cash at really high interest rates.  I found it to be really fascinating.

Comment #15: 'stina  on  07/09  at  12:56 PM

Jim DeMint would no doubt say that our opposition to pure capitalism is proof we’re becoming like Nazi Germany.

Comment #16: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  07/09  at  01:01 PM

remind me to go kiss my credit union later….

Comment #17: Woodrowfan  on  07/09  at  01:18 PM

Check your end of June bank statements. My bank, the second or third largest in the US, hit me with a whole bunch of pennyante charges, totalled about $2.

I now have a “personal banker who can take care of ANY problems that I have.”  But most people won’t call up the bank president’s wife at home on her unlisted number and scream at her.

Just saying if you don’t hold large amounts of bank stock, fuck ‘em.

Comment #18: less is more  on  07/09  at  01:22 PM

Credit Unions are so wonderful.
I’ve been with one ever since jettisoning Norwest Bank after leaving Minneapolis. (Actually 2- First Tech and now Seattle. Metro.)
They just mailed me the member newsletter and new memberships are WAY up. Not that I’m shocked at all by that.

Dooo eet!

Comment #19: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/09  at  01:51 PM

Different banks are really different.  Pick one that isn’t getting a bailout and be much happier.

Comment #20: Punditus Maximus  on  07/09  at  01:52 PM

So far I just wade through the shit that Bank of America does and complain until they refund me.  It works about half the time… Alas.

Comment #21: Crissa  on  07/09  at  02:14 PM

Let’s all just work our asses off, let our wages go into a big pool of money, let the economic predators take what they want (probably all of it) and divide it amongst themselves, and in return we’ll be given a meal or two a day, some rags to wear, and a cardboard box to live in.

I believe it’s been tried before.

I’m pretty certain we can start putting guillotines together again…

Comment #22: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  07/09  at  02:23 PM

My credit union is tiny and I like it that way.  If I want to walk to their ‘corporate headquarters’ and yell at the COO, I can.

Comment #23: NBarnes  on  07/09  at  02:28 PM

My credit union rocks!

Did take 2-3 pay day loans a few years ago, before I got the corporate credit card. I paid it back as soon as the incredibly slow accounting department at my work refunded me the charges on my card :p

Comment #24: lostmypassword  on  07/09  at  02:40 PM

Oh hell yea.  I told Wells Fargo to kiss my ass almost 10 years ago.  Love my credit union.  If I ever have a problem or a question, I get to speak to a real live person whose name I know and who is friendly and helpful and who solves my problem on the spot.

Comment #25: BadKitty  on  07/09  at  02:41 PM

“I believe it’s been tried before.”

...well, you know what they say, everything comes back into style sooner or later…

“I’m pretty certain we can start putting guillotines together again…”

Use recycled materials to build them, and “recycle” the victims, and we can even be enviromentally friendly, as we finally address all those class issues Americans have always pretended we don’t have…

Comment #26: MikeEss  on  07/09  at  03:04 PM

When a bank is desperate enough to engage in such sleazy practises against its own customers, it’s no place to keep your money.

The worst thing is that, technically, YOU are doing THEM a favor.  Banks are supposed to use your deposits to make (sensible) loans, so they make money and have a little extra to give you some interest on your savings.  A bank that tries to extort you is full of it.

Comment #27: keshmeshi  on  07/09  at  03:20 PM

I think credit unions, like banks, vary widely. I left my CU a while back because they would do things like be unable to update my address. Also got tired of having to go to the bank frequently for cash when it took them 2 months and a lot of harassing on my part to mail me a debit card.

Comment #28: jalmondale  on  07/09  at  03:22 PM

First of all, “Fifth Third Bank”? That name doesn’t even make any sense.

I thought the same thing when I first saw it. Turns out Fifth National Bank and Third National Bank merged, back in the days before they’d just make up a nonsense word for a new company name (1908.)

Still pretty weird.

Comment #29: Redshift  on  07/09  at  03:26 PM

Different banks are really different.  Pick one that isn’t getting a bailout and be much happier.

Well, that’s not entirely fair. A lot of little banks who were never in trouble in the first place got a lot of pressure from the regulators to accept bailout money anyway. In theory it was to inject more capital into their communities. In reality, it was to give regulators, who were already doing whatever they wanted to small banks, even more power over them.

Having worked at a small community (not even publicly traded!) bank for years, I think that size is incredibly important. I would choose a small, locally owned banks over one of the huge state-wide credit unions. But I would choose a large credit union over a large bank, and a small credit union over a small bank. Of course, small credit unions still limit their membership the way they were always supposed to, so not everyone has access.

Comment #30: Av0gadro  on  07/09  at  03:45 PM

I’m using a regional bank and fairly happy with it so far.  Not all banks are created equal, but if left to the continuous merger and acquisition trend, they’ll all be equal and equally predatory in the end.

Comment #31: libdevil  on  07/09  at  04:13 PM

My old reliable mom and pop bank was engulfed by fifth third several years ago—that doesn’t happen to credit unions.

But I keep my money in two places just in case one screws up, I’ll still have access to cash.

Comment #32: Hector B.  on  07/09  at  04:13 PM

Payday lending is the most predatory form of lending created by capitalism to date.  Many of these people end up getting loans from several different places because they cannot cover the fees.  There is even less restriction on their behavior in Canada. They are specifically designed to keep the poor, impoverished and enslaved.  Some of the fees eventually end up out weighing the initial debt as well.

Comment #33: womanistmusings  on  07/09  at  04:26 PM

I have accounts at 5/3 due to having a home equity loan from them.  While, I have had many bad things happen regarding that home equity loan…it should be paid off by the end of this year and then I will never do business with that “institution” again.  But, it was my recent bank statement for my savings account that made me laugh and laugh.  I have about $350. in my savings account and for the last 3 months the interest I have earned on that $$$ was a mere penny…one cent…a month!  What a joke! It cost them more to print up and mail out my statement then what they paid me in interest.

Comment #34: Golden Rule  on  07/09  at  04:52 PM

This all is depressing me.

The credit union we have access to stinks. We have an account there, and are not happy.

Our good little bank seems to have gone into a “fuck you” downspirl. After years of wonderful service, they’ve hosed us over THREE TIMES in the past two months.

1. A scheduled money transfer from account A to checking did not take place. This transfer was supposed to cover our $4000 in property taxes. Thank god it hit the day AFTER both our paychecks hit and before the mortgage payment, and my husband found himself locked out of taking money out from overseas and called me in a panic. We had $11 in our checking account and a mortgage payment due to hit the next day. The bank sort of shrugged and said “oops, sorry, our transfer system has been flaky”. We’ve been using it for many years previous without a problem.

2. We got new ATM cards.  They seem to work . . . sometimes.

3. We have a credit card with the bank that is direct paid in full out of our checking account. We get the (emailed) statement yesterday to find . . . late fees and finance charges. HUH? The money was withdrawn on the 3rd for a due date of the 4th (and the money WAS withdrawn on the 3rd, according to online banking) but since the 3rd was a banking holiday, it was not credited to the CARD account until the 5th.  Yes, this was all done INTERNAL to the bank, on the schedule the bank itself set up.

With 1 and 3, I’m starting to suspect intentional attempts to get us into situations in which their behavior can cause us to incur fees, hoping we won’t notice, or that we’ll think that we’re to blame.

Comment #35: hp  on  07/09  at  05:11 PM

OT, a little, but I’m in a confessional mood…

Last night I got a call from someone who said he was from HSBC and had some questions about my MasterCard account. I immediately assumed it was a scam, suggested loudly that he have an unnatural relationship with his mother, and hung up.

Today, driven by caution, I called up HSBC and inquired. It turns out the poor guy was legit! They asked me about some “unusual” charges that I had, in fact, incurred, and that was that.

So whoever it was from HSBC I cursed at last night: So sorry.

Comment #36: Bitter Scribe  on  07/09  at  05:16 PM

Corwin: I’m afraid to ask.

Comment #37: Bitter Scribe  on  07/09  at  06:18 PM

I like my credit union. I had quite a few overdraft fees when I was a bank customer. After I transferred my funds to a credit union, I haven’t had a single one—even during those lean years (i.e. after the pay cut and before landing a more lucrative job.)

Comment #38: maatnofret  on  07/09  at  07:16 PM

I’m at a regional bank and reasonably happy with it.  I’m not sure if it’s a good sign or a bad sign that it’s now owned by a Japanese bank.  Our one joint account is at my bank, not BofA.

There are a couple of credit unions I’m eligible to join but I can’t decide which one.  I could join the employee credit union for the Giant Evil Corporation I work for, or I could join the one from our university.  G. got his car loan from them at a very good rate.

Comment #39: Mnemosyne  on  07/09  at  07:52 PM

Neither I, but you comment asking about it is hit #10 on Google for “Wu’s Law”.

Comment #40: Crissa  on  07/09  at  08:02 PM

I don’t know what Wu’s Law is, but I do know what Cole’s Law is:
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Comment #41: Hector B.  on  07/09  at  08:40 PM

The credit union we have access to stinks

It’s weird but lots around here even though they say “employees credit union” are just open to residents of WA State - nothing else required. Maybe it’s a WA state thing.

Comment #42: Danica Lefse Queen  on  07/09  at  08:46 PM

Mnemosyne—-is there a reason you can’t join both?  It might be a good idea to at least start a savings account with each of them, even if you’re only putting in ten bucks every couple months or something—-then you have options, plural, if your bank lets go of its ethics.

I’ve got one credit-union membership (through my university) and accounts with two banks, one my small, local bank and the other a TCF account that got pretty much automatically opened when I started college—-they had a partnership to handle student-loan finances and the like, and handed out accounts like candy to all incoming freshmen.  I’ve been lucky enough to only have ever had one issue (with TCF), and that got fairly quickly dealt with, although that may have something to do with both sides of the lost transaction being within shouting distance of each other—-I brought the campus bean-counter person over to the bank teller and let them talk to each other.  The local bank is quite nice, and the credit union very helpful.  I’ve not done much with TCF, so I can’t really say much.  They seem a bit impersonal, though, being all over the damn place.  I’m shy, and going to the local branch office, rather than the (now closed) campus one I got my account at, is kinda intimidating—-I can’t shake the feeling I don’t belong there like I do at the others.

Comment #43: Kyra  on  07/09  at  09:37 PM

It’s weird but lots around here even though they say “employees credit union” are just open to residents of WA State - nothing else required. Maybe it’s a WA state thing.

We are in IL, and the one we have access to is through my husband’s employer.

A quick glance through the other IL credit unions indicates that they may be stricter around here :(  All I found have membership requirements like “employee of so-and-so”.

We need a regional or national bank that has a good interest rate on a savings account/money market savings that generally has $4000+ in it, good 6-month CD rates, and MOST IMPORTANTLY, provides ATM-only cards.  Anyone have any suggestions?

Comment #44: hp  on  07/09  at  10:35 PM

HP, my HSBC high interest savings account pays some multiple of the national average for interest on savings accounts and has an ATM-only card.  No idea about the CD though.

Comment #45: LauraB  on  07/09  at  11:21 PM

!!!!
here i was, just trying to catch up on Pandagon. i get 5 or 6 comments in on this thread and WHAM!!

ummeli is my neighbor!

ok, well, probably not literally (although i *do* live on Campus and the pop density means that i have something like 673 neighbors…)

but another Pandogian in CBus! awesome!

hey, if you LARP, there is a One World By Night set of events going on this weekend (they are calling it NOrigins, because OWBN has decided that Origins itself costs players who come only to LARP waaaaaaaay too much, so it was originally “Faux Origins”, then"Not Origins” and finally someone decided to be cute and made the “NOrigins”. not me. i cannot LARP at this time because of my hip. but my boyfriend, Pete, is a sub-Coord, and is easy to find as he is one of the *very* few black people there lol) if you even know what i am talking about - i do have a bad habit of thinking everyone i meet (especially online) knows about stuff i like, because pretty much everyone i know is, was, or is about to be a Gamer (as in a person who plays role playing games, and not the sex ones :D ) so if i make no sense to you, ummeli, please forgive me smile but if i *do* make sense, and you are interested in checking out the LARP, (the main ST is my buddy Miles) look around for Pete-the-Tremere-SubCoord and tell him i sent ya - maybe he can find you a nifty NPC to play or something smile (i am pretty sure people who don’tcurrently play in OWBN and/or Columbus in Darkness can participate for $15 for the whole weekend, and it’s only that much because hotels won’t let us use space unless we pay for it)
if you want more specific info, you can (and should) email me denelian at yahoo dot com and i can get it all from Pete and share it!

i need to go finish reading the comment thread now. my meds are going to kick in soon, and i already made *one* weird post, and that was without the meds lol

but we should talk, ummeli - we can bitch about the things we hate, and bitch about the people who hate the things we love smile Dark Avenger and i had one of those convos a few weeks ago, because as it turns out we are from similiar areas of California (not the *same* area, but areas that may be seperated by space but were much alike, and i don’t know if that makes any sense lol)
erm. unless you are a big OSU football fanatic, in which case we can’t talk about it *hides*  Ohioans get so… *SO* about football, it’s actually rather frightening…

Comment #46: denelian  on  07/10  at  06:40 AM

I live in California and it seems very common for credit unions to only be limited to residents of a county.

But I have to say, 5th 3rd is not a nonsense name. Count to 2 by 3rds, and the 5th 3rd is the second to last. /pedantry

Comment #47: Samantha Vimes  on  07/10  at  07:06 AM

so, erm ON Topic -

i would love to be in a Credit Union.
i currently bank with Chase (there is a history. when i first moved here, 12 (!!!) years ago, my first main job (as opposed to a couple of part time jobs i had while looking for the good job) was as a Card Member Service Representative (yep, i used to be the person you called when you had no clue what something was on your bill. and i was pretty damned good, and *fast*) and we were all just GIVEN Savings accounts.
i had the account up untl 2 years ago. but before i explain that, let me explain *why* i had to have a savings account.
there was a little old lady WITH MY EXACT SAME NAME and whose LAST 4 OF HER SOCIAL SECURITY NUMBER MATCHED MINE, who had remarried again ON THE EXACT SAME DATE I MARRIED, and somehow, the Air Force bank got her and i mixed up and after she died a whole *LOT* of shit happen, and for the longest time the company that tracks people with bounced/NSF checks (you can’t open a checking account if you have even a single unpaid check floating around) and i spent a DECADE fighting with them, finally finally this ond woman’s grandson sent me notarized copies of both her birth and death certificates and that FINALLY got rid of the check bullshit (seriously, 11 years after this woman died. i really fucking think that they thought if they kept circulationg it enough, i would cave and pay all these thousands upon thousands of dollars that she “owed” when she died…) and since i alread had a Bank1 savings account, and worked at Bank1, i got a checking account there.
and promptly got laid off during the run up to the Chase merger. but my accounts, for years, were still considered “employee accounts” - i have everything direct deposited to my savings, then i would transfer just what i needed for bills to checking (plus 5%, generall - if a bill was $100, i would transfer $105, just because i am paranoid that i will bounce a check by a penny…)
then, one day, Chase woke up (after years and years and years) and took away my free bank accounts. now my savings account was going to COST ME $500 a year kept in the account at all times, or i would be charged interest based on how much below $500 i was. and since i didn’t care about *earning* interest, i just did it so i had one account that was only bills - i changed it to the most basic of checking accounts. i was now supposed to be getting Direct deposits in Checking A, transfering to B, and paying with B.

but i never got my checks. or my card. my old ATM card worked for a SHORT while for both accounts, until the time when Chase decided i should have the “new” one. so i go in and tell them i never got checks or card. and they cancel the account. they don’t reopen it, they just cancel, and then tell me it will be $100 to reopen it. i have no fucking clue WHY - the reason it was “closed” was security protocal, not because *I* asked them to close it, i just wanted them to reorder the damned checks and card. and i didn’t have a hundred fucking dollars, and no one was interested in the fact that i HAD NOT WANTED IT CLOSED - they did it without my permission. all they wanted was my money.

but i am *stuck*. now, to open a checking account, you have to have a good credit score. and thanx to ex-Husband never taking me CCs after we divorced but not telling me (see, he was the primary, it was supposed to be i sent in a request, they called him to confirm, i am removed. i sent request, they called him, he told them that they should no longer send me statements. i didn’t find out until his new fiancee called me pissed that i still had CCs with him… sigh). stuck at Chase, whose “new” ATMs have eaten almost $1,000 over the course of a few deposits (give them credit - when i can from the ATM crying and i have *something* that proves i was there, like the video footage they pull up, they crdit me the money. temp. until they find the money. and if they don’t find the money they mostly decide they lost it so i have gotten most, but not all, of it back) but i will never deposit by their new ATMs ever again.

i want a credit union.
but i have no clue how to get one :(

Comment #48: denelian  on  07/10  at  07:19 AM

Oh, I feel so bad for you all with your crappy banks!

I’ve been with USAA for fifteen years and never had a problem AT ALL.  I get all the benefits of a national bank (I do everything with USAA:  Car insurance, mortgage, renter’s insurance when I needed it, investments, etc.  The only thing I can’t do with them is student loans, sadly.) but it’s really a regional:  Only one branch, and that branch is in San Antonio.

I have never called the bank and been disappointed with customer service.  I have never had to call and complain about a mistake.  If I did call with a problem or question, it was resolved RIGHT THEN. 

USAA started as a bank for servicemembers, then they branched out to dependents.  Now they are open to everyone.  I highly recommend the bank.  Even their phone system is awesome.  I can bypass the canned, electronic operator and ALWAYS get cheerful help on the line, no matter what.

Comment #49: speedbudget  on  07/10  at  09:23 AM

OH!  And they reimburse ATM charges and don’t charge me any.  Since, you know, only the one branch in San Antonio.  God, I love USAA.

Comment #50: speedbudget  on  07/10  at  09:24 AM

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Comment #51: BlackBloc  on  07/10  at  11:55 AM

I had an account with a big bank (BB&T;) and often had problems with overdrafts because of the “largest payments first rule” combined with the fact that I almost exclusively use my debit card instead of cash, meaning that sometimes my rent check would clear and then there would be a bunch of dinky little charges for coffee and stamps and gas and whatnot that would each incur a $34 overdraft fee, all on the same day.  Bastards. 

When I became a state employee I joined the state employee credit union.  I didn’t close my bank account, though, and there was something like $2.70 left in it.  Fast forward to over a year later when I had moved but forgotten to do a change of address with the bank because I wasn’t using the account anymore, and then when I finally did change my address I found out that my account balance was now $0.00 because the bank had charged me $2.70 for something that was creatively named “return statement fee” or something like that—basically, they magically charged me exactly the amount I had left in my account because I failed to change my address and my statements started being returned to them after my mail stopped being automatically forwarded to my new address.  I went and bitched and they refunded my $2.70 and I closed my account.

Comment #52: Raging Red  on  07/10  at  12:57 PM

Credit Unions rule. I’ve been a member for about 15 years. The rules about who can join a particular CU are determined when it’s started. If it’s a Teacher’s CU, anyone employed by a school can join, for example. Back in the 80’s when the savings & loans were all tanking, the big money banking boys got upset that many people were moving to CU’s. The CU’s had been expanding their memberships and were open to almost anyone. The legal shakeout was that CU’s had to stick to the original groups they were started to serve.

Since then, they’ve either merged, or new ones started with large groups to begin with, like any resident of WA. In my CU’s case, it’s anyone who works or lives in my county. Fees and loan rates are lower, but interest paid on savings is lower too. I can live with that. Srsly. Not a problem.

Comment #53: TOWA  on  07/10  at  04:55 PM

I would like to bank at an institution like that.

See our entire discussion about credit unions.

i want a credit union.
but i have no clue how to get one :(

This isn’t the first time I’ve heard someone with a usurious loan tell me that. When I read or hear stuff like that, I realize how expensive it is to be poor.

Comment #54: Tyro  on  07/10  at  09:23 PM

So, part of what this consistently tells me is that people have no idea that there exist multiple banks, or that one should do some shopping for one’s financial services, etc. etc.  The weird thing for me for this is that this is stuff which shows up in the newspapers all the time.  There just are lots of banks in the world.  They have commercials on the TV, billboards, etc.  How do people manage to ignore that much information?

Comment #55: Punditus Maximus  on  07/10  at  09:28 PM

well, Punditus, it’s like this -
there are a lot of banks. but are there a lot of banks near you?
thats generally the first concern - a bank you can’t access is not useful.
then - will the bank let you open an account? can you afford it?
just today, i was waiting in the teller line at Chase (because i will *NEVER AGAIN* use their ATMs) and some poor guy wanted to open a checking account to cash his checks. and he was told that he *could* open an account with his paycheck - but that he *HAD* toleave $100 in the account for the first month. and that none of his check would be available until at least Monday. he would have to deposit the whole thing, could get SOME of it maybe monday, and had to leave at least $100 in the account until 10Aug. he stared at the Customer Service guy and said “But my check is only $237 dollars! and my rent is $200 dollars! i need all of it right now - i can’t afford to leave $100 sitting around!”. the customer service guy said that he could spend that $100, but he would be CHARGED $100 if he didn’t leave a balance of at least $100 for a month (which, btw - i am not actually sure that that is how it is *supposed* to work, i looked all through my bank info and there is a minimum balance required for SAVINGS accounts, or they charge a service fee, but nothing on Checking accounts like that. it may be a new policy, or the guy may have been wrong, i don’t know)
a lot of banks actually just CHARGE you to open an account. some flat fee
assuming that the bank accepts you as a checking account customer (most banks do credit checks now, and if you don’t have high enough credit, you can’t get a checking account)

“shopping” for financial services is all well and good, if you have some access to multiple banks and you have enough money and good enough credit to qualify for accounts. since most poor people don’t have access to multiple banks and don’t have good credit… their screwed, they have to take what’s available to them.

Comment #56: denelian  on  07/10  at  11:26 PM

Ill. Eagle.

Comment #57: serena kitt  on  07/13  at  12:59 AM
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