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WH Press Secretary Gibbs serves as admin punching bag again re: DADT, DOMA

While the VIP LGBTs were waiting for the President to meet and greet them yesterday, White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs was taking a pummeling today at the daily presser about the inaction of the administration regarding several LGBT issues on the back burner. Clearly it’s more than just the “whining homos” wondering why the President talks a good game but seems quite passive about doing anything concrete.  Gibbs does his usual song and dance saying the Pentagon and Congress have to be involved, but that the President hasn’t met with the people in the Pentagon or Congress. Sounds like a circular reference to me.

Q   Robert, I have a question on today’s event in the East Room.  On “don’t ask, don’t tell,” how much is the President personally involved?  I mean, I know you’ve said that he sort of turned that policy change over to the Pentagon and you’re letting them and Congress work on that.

MR. GIBBS:  I’ve said that—I mean, the President hasn’t, himself, been involved in meetings with the Pentagon.  A solution has to include working with the Pentagon.  But it’s something that the President has been involved in since coming to this administration.

Q   How much of a priority is this for him?

MR. GIBBS:  Well, it’s something that—

Q   I mean, is there a timeline or

MR. GIBBS:  When we can get it done.  The President has talked about this—and I’ve talked about the fact that to have an enduring solution this had to be done legislatively.  That, I think most people recognize, is going to take some time to do, working with both Congress and the Pentagon.  I think the President will address this in remarks at the event a little bit later today.

Q   Change in policy?

MR. GIBBS:  Pardon me?

Q   A change?

MR. GIBBS:  No.  But, again, in order to have that enduring solution, this is going to have to be done legislatively.

As in no administrative changes will be worked out with the Pentagon in terms of implementation of DADT, and there will be no executive order. And then he was directly asked about the foot-dragging with Congress.

Q   Robert, today the President is going to celebrate Gay Pride at the White House for the first time.  Even so, the gay community is somewhat divided over whether or not the President has done enough, the pace of change is enough.  What does the President intend to say today, and can you talk a little bit about his thinking about how much he has to mollify a community that’s been very supportive during the campaign?

MR. GIBBS:  I appreciate the opportunity to comment on mollifying a community, but that’s not the way the President looks at important issues.  I think if you go back and look at the campaign—either his campaign for the Senate or his campaign for the presidency—he takes stands that he believes are consistent with his values.

We didn’t play a lot of interest group-based politics in the presidential race, I think that was denoted by the fact that we didn’t get a lot of endorsements in the presidential race.

The President makes those decisions, again, based on his values.  I won’t get ahead of what he’s going to say later today, but he will, I think, address a number of issues and reaffirm the commitments that he’s made.

Yes, ma’am.

Q   Following on that, the President has talked about repealing “don’t ask, don’t tell,” and also the Defense of Marriage Act.  So I’m wondering if you can tell me what specific steps has he taken to do this?  What is his timeline for doing it?  And also—

MR. GIBBS:  I think we got a fairly similar question a minute ago, but I’ll try to—

Q   —there’s legislation apparently moving through House to repeal “don’t ask, don’t tell,” I think it’s H.R. 1283, and he hasn’t endorsed it.  Why not?

MR. GIBBS:  I can certainly talk to legislative affairs about what that piece of legislation would do.  As I said earlier, the President has been involved in, personally, meetings on this topic with stakeholders, including those at the Pentagon.

Q   What about members of Congress?

MR. GIBBS:  I don’t know if he’s met specifically with members of Congress on that.  I know that—I can try to get a list, I know that staff has worked here on the issue.  It’s a commitment that he intends to keep.

Q   Can you talk a little bit more about the meetings that he’s had, what—

MR. GIBBS:  No.

Q   —and how recent has he been in these meetings?

MR. GIBBS:  Since January 20.

So which is it—has the President been in meetings with the Pentagon or not? Anyway, compare this presser to the Obama Speech at yesterday’s reception. A key section is below the fold.
See if you can get the presser and the below in alignment. Some key sections:

I’ve called on Congress to repeal the so-called Defense of Marriage Act to help end discrimination—(applause)—to help end discrimination against same-sex couples in this country.  Now, I want to add we have a duty to uphold existing law, but I believe we must do so in a way that does not exacerbate old divides.  And fulfilling this duty in upholding the law in no way lessens my commitment to reversing this law.  I’ve made that clear.

  I’m also urging Congress to pass the Domestic Partners Benefits and Obligations Act, which will guarantee the full range of benefits, including health care, to LGBT couples and their children.  (Applause.)  My administration is also working hard to pass an employee non-discrimination bill and hate crimes bill, and we’re making progress on both fronts.  (Applause.)  Judy and Dennis Shepard, as well as their son Logan, are here today.  I met with Judy in the Oval Office in May—(applause)—and I assured her and I assured all of you that we are going to pass an inclusive hate crimes bill into law, a bill named for their son Matthew.  (Applause.)

...And finally, I want to say a word about “don’t ask, don’t tell.”  As I said before—I’ll say it again—I believe “don’t ask, don’t tell” doesn’t contribute to our national security.  (Applause.)  In fact, I believe preventing patriotic Americans from serving their country weakens our national security.  (Applause.)

  Now, my administration is already working with the Pentagon and members of the House and the Senate on how we’ll go about ending this policy, which will require an act of Congress.

  Someday, I’m confident, we’ll look back at this transition and ask why it generated such angst, but as Commander-in-Chief, in a time of war, I do have a responsibility to see that this change is administered in a practical way and a way that takes over the long term.  That’s why I’ve asked the Secretary of Defense and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to develop a plan for how to thoroughly implement a repeal.

Watch Robert Gibbs take more shots on Hardball:

Related:
* The Robert Gibbs Blend files.

 

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Posted by Pam Spaulding on 12:03 PM • (15) Comments

I’m sorry. It’s time to do away with both of these arcaic policies. I think getting rid of DADT may be easier, but they both need to go. I have actually had gay friends tell me that “It’s OK. Give him some time. Its only been five months, etc.” Honestly though, how long would it take the President to sign an executive order suspending any punishment (is that the right word?) related to DADT until congress can repeal it altogether? 10 minutes?

Comment #1: Mark  on  06/30  at  12:19 PM

I’ve finally figured this out.  Why, one may reasonably ask, doesn’t Obama simply suspend the dismissals.  Well, here’s why.  Because Congress is a cowardly bunch of chickenshits, that’s why.
O.k., Obama suspends, indefinitely.  The CongreCowards breathe a sigh of relief and don’t act on repeal legislation.  “Phew, not our problem now!”  Obama is now left twisting in the wind.  He doesn’t want to reinstate it and he doesn’t want to be seen as ruling by fiat.  There’s a dance going on here and it’s not a pretty one.

There aren’t the votes to get rid of DOMA yet.  Besides, that may not be the best strategy.  Better the Federal Gov’t. should “pre-empt the field of law,” and just say to the states that they aren’t allowed to ban single-sex unions.

Comment #2: Magis  on  06/30  at  12:32 PM

There is supposedly the concern that if the president were to fix the problem through 2016 by executive order, congressional Democrats would have less incentive to approach a potentially controversial issue. By instead letting the armed services hemorrhage hundreds of people in the meantime, the president raises the stakes, calls their bluff, whathaveyou.

That’s an explanation. Of course, it’s idiotic, because the real way to make a solution that lasts is to immediately halt DADT and then wait and point out that nothing bad is happening as a result. Get people used to the idea of openly gay folks in the military, and then in a few years, legislatively repealing DADT will be even more uncontroversial.

Obama believes, contrary to all psychological evidence, that you change minds by making compromises between the views that people already hold. That’s absolutely wrong. You change minds by pushing the Overton window as far as possible, and thereby acclimating people to a new middle ground. Force the issue; let people believe they’re making compromises in response. Have gay pride parades in the Baghdad green zone. Use the Village People as military recruiters.

Comment #3: asdf  on  06/30  at  12:37 PM

Oh, Magis beat me to it. : )

Comment #4: asdf  on  06/30  at  12:37 PM

If Obama is in fact, as Gibbs says (much skepticism necessary of course), taking stances based on his values, then his stance on gay equality is a damning indictment of his values.

Strangely enough the cynical strategic observation that he is hedging with social conservatives - although this makes him a bit pathetic and weak when given an opportunity to be a leader for equality and dignity - is a far more charitable view.

Comment #5: Luke  on  06/30  at  01:00 PM

Yeah, this is about getting health care passed.

Comment #6: Punditus Maximus  on  06/30  at  01:31 PM

I’m beginning to think that Obama might be a homophobe.  That is, he actually might not have any problems with DADT and DOMA - to the contrary,he might personally approve of them.  I mean, he has said that he is personally against marriage equality.  There isn’t much of a stretch from that to supporting DOMA.

Comment #7: Richard Goblin  on  06/30  at  01:44 PM

I’m not sure I’d go as far as Richard Goblin, but I’m preparing myself for that option. I can understand*, from a pure political perspective, not wanting to touch DOMA, particularly after Prop 8 passed, but overturning Don’t Ask Don’t Tell has become the sort of issue that political advisors dream of. It’s unambiguously popular, rally the base, and force the Republican party to put their ugliest members front and center (and that’s saying something.) I don’t know the military intimately, but there seems to be much less resistance than there was in 1993. Colbert seemed a little uncomfortable bringing it up, but he didn’t get booed off the stage when he talked about in Iraq. At the very least, Obama could score easy political points by overriding the booting of popular gay soldiers and translators. Hell, I think a clear win would help get health care passed.

i think there’s an element of “What are you going to do, vote Republican?” in the Obama administration’s dealing with the gay base. It’s one of the many reasons that makes me wish there was a sane second party. A Republican that was anti-gay but not odiously so could threaten to peel off a number of gay voters and contributors who would agree with their national security and economic policies. I wouldn’t like those voters to abandon the Democrats, and I’d think they’d be wrong, but they’d provide useful leverage to keep the Democrats in line.

*To clarify, I can understand, but I don’t agree with it, even from a matter of pure politics. It’s a difficult needle to thread, but it’s not impossible, and Obama thrives on making nuanced arguments that assume his listeners are not idiots.

Comment #8: onegin  on  06/30  at  03:49 PM

Obama is a competent placeholder.

We still have a lot of work to do to get a real liberal in the White House and to get real liberals into the Democratic Party.

Obama is not the most liberal of politicians.  He is a traditional centrist and a real politician.  The country had Gore’s election stolen and W and Cheney yanked the country hard right.  We should not be where we are today, and it’s still going to be a hard fight to get us back.

Why do all the polls show Americans supporting a public option by ~75%, but it’s still a questionable addition?  Because our leaders are not representing us, and getting appropriate representatives in place is going to be a hard hard battle.

Because we most certainly face “What are you going to do? Vote Republican?”  We need to remind them that we did NOT vote for Hillary, our designated candidate.  We did not vote for Lieberman—he lost the Democratic primary, and if the party had followed its rules and supported the Democrat instead of sitting back Lamont would now have that seat.

We have to tell them we will run our own candidates and support them in the primaries.  And we have to prove it. 

Obama is a competent placeholder.  He will not put “Brownies” in at FEMA.  He will run the government competently, which , while it’s a great relief from the past 8 years, is simply not good enough.  To push him to do the right things, we have to fight and we have to send strong, progressive Congresscritters who will fight for what is right.

Comment #9: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/30  at  04:00 PM

It’s not that Obama is slow to act on gay causes it’s that he is actively obstructing us.

I never expected immediate action on DOMA and DADT. I’m not naive. I have a basic understanding about politics.

All Obama has to do to get a lot of us back is just apologize for the language in the DOMS brief. Repudiate the comparisons to incest and child molestation.

Comment #10: pablo  on  06/30  at  05:45 PM

Oh, and the most important thing Obama needs to do: show some fucking leadership! I don’t think he’s a homophobe but I am starting to think he has no balls whatsoever.

Comment #11: pablo  on  06/30  at  05:52 PM

It’s not that Obama is slow to act on gay causes it’s that he is actively obstructing us.

And this is why I’m beginning to think he might be a homophobe.

I am starting to think he has no balls whatsoever.

Nah, he’s got plenty of balls.  He’s standing up to a clear majority of the electorate who want either single payer health coverage or at least a public option.  </sarcasm>

Comment #12: Richard Goblin  on  06/30  at  06:17 PM

Well, Bush met with the LGBT leaders how many times?

Comment #13: Magis  on  06/30  at  07:46 PM

DADT is not currently the status of recruitment.  The things they asked my son on his AF recruitment/enlistment forms were illegal under it.

Comment #14: helen w. h.  on  07/01  at  12:26 PM

Okay, hit post instead of preview, and needed to revise. 

My son entered the air force while Bush was still in office.  Does anyone know if they are still blatently ignoring DADT and asking recruits to sign that they are not gay and have never participated in gay activities (no explaination as to whether they meant sex or events like pride marches fro his description of the questions)?

Comment #15: helen w. h.  on  07/01  at  12:29 PM
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