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What famous feminist would you want to have a beer with?

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It’s been a couple of months at least since I’ve read a book that was so much fun that I resent any interruption from life, work, or sleep that requires me to put it down.  But this weekend, I tore into just such a book: Reading Women: How the Great Books of Feminism Changed My Life.  The book is billed largely as a memoir, but don’t let that fool you. It’s got great touches about the personal life of the author, and why she wanted to return to the feminist texts that she had left behind in college now that she’s a married mother and a freelancer whose life at home makes her often relate a little too much to the housewives that Betty Friedan interviewed for The Feminine Mystique.  But what really makes it fun is to read someone reading so many great books, and really engaging the ideas. The personal stuff just adds color to the intellectual stuff.  After all, for feminists, the personal is political, and Staal does a great job of relating fights with her partner over housework and struggles to balance motherhood with career to the text she’s reading while she audits a course called “Feminist Texts” at Barnard that she took when she was an undergraduate.

It’s also fun to read someone engage these texts with a sympathetic view towards the women who wrote them.  I think, all too often, it’s easy to slip into the “criticize all the time” mode, and not take the time to praise, expand upon, or engage positively alongside our criticisms.  This is particularly true in feminism, where a lot of discourse around feminist thinkers is about nipping at their weaknesses over discussing their strengths.  It’s nice to revisit the strengths and insights of famous feminist writers, even as some of their ideas fall out of fashion or are legitimately disproved.  This doesn’t mean being a Pollyanna and never seeing the flaws in someone’s work. But it was nice reading Staal engage with nuance these writers, and touch on what she really gets out of them even if something else in their writing doesn’t work.  I particularly was engaged in her defense of Shulamith Firestone, who has some ideas that are really quite wacky in retrospect, but as Staal notes, her anger is invigorating.  Indeed, the anger of the second wave is something that gets pissed on a lot, but it was absolutely necessary.

So, with that in mind—-and a just general desire for positivity on what is a rather gray day—-I thought I’d toss out this discussion question.  I asked it of Staal when I interviewed her today, though you’ll have to wait for the podcast to find out her answer. What famous feminist, dead or alive, would you want to have a beer with?  Not, who do you think is perfect and has no flaws or downsides to her thinking, or who would you want to confront.  Who would you enjoy a conversation with?  Whose brain would you want to pick, and have a friendly conversation where ideas are being teased out and exchanged?  Who would you think it’s fun to banter with?

Me, I think my answer is pretty obvious: Simone de Beauvoir.  Again, this isn’t me saying she’s perfect, but it’s also not me saying that I’d want to drill in and attack her for what I perceive to be the flaws in her thinking.  I just think she had some amazing, provocative ideas and I’d love to ask her some questions and offer my thoughts.  She also seems in general like she’s my kind of lady, with a whiff of peevishness to her, which often indicates that a woman has a spine.  I appreciate that.  I also like what Staal was surprised, in the book, to find that the professor attacks de Beauvoir for, which is the way she makes feminism an intellectual enterprise, instead of forever mucking around in her own feelings and emotions for analytical tools.  I think that a proper feminist canon should have all types, and it makes me sad that someone thinks there’s a “wrong” way to do feminism.  (I mean, outside of being straight up wrong or using make-believe instead of reality-based tools for analysis.) 

But obviously, everyone is different.  So, who’s your famous feminist?  Why would you want to have some drinks with her?

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:14 PM • (73) Comments

De Beauvoir sprang immediately to my mind.  I’ve always appreciated how she went toe-to-toe with Levi-Strauss, and she also doesn’t come across as . . . uptight, I guess.

Comment #1: Fellmama  on  03/07  at  09:49 PM

It would have to be somebody working class - like Emma Goldman or, even, Andrea Dworkin (based on her essays about city versus suburban life).

Comment #2: Ms Kate  on  03/07  at  09:58 PM

A very, very old feminist. It doesn’t have to be a person who wrote anything that got published. It would be someone who was around when things where radically different. Someone who actually was part of the movement that got women the right to vote. I think it is really fascinating that there are actually people still alive who was there.

I’ll try to think of someone specific, but I’ll have to get back to you on that.

Comment #3: librarian  on  03/07  at  10:01 PM

Marcotte!

Too servile?

Comment #4: typist  on  03/07  at  10:03 PM

gloria steinem; cliche, i know, but i’ve always been fascinated by her turn as a playboy bunny. also, hillary clinton, because she is a badass and has been (i assume) close to the junk of bill, my most hearththrobby president. margaret cho would be super fun to drink with, though.

Comment #5: JulieSunday  on  03/07  at  10:09 PM

Elizabeth Cady Stanton.

Comment #6: EAVLiddell  on  03/07  at  10:11 PM

Victoria Woodhull, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Emma Goldman, Kathleen Hanna.

Comment #7: Criseyde  on  03/07  at  10:12 PM

Heh, I already had dark and stormies with my favorite feminist. smile

But I also liked Sarah Haskins, Susan Faludi would be wayyyyy too intimidating, and I would babble like an idiot if I ever got to meet Rachel Maddow.

Comment #8: Mighty Ponygirl  on  03/07  at  10:13 PM

Living: Susie Bright. I’d ask about the sex wars, her job as a “hot lesbian sex consultant” for the Wachowski brothers on Bound, her time amongst the Trotskyist (I can’t remember if she was one or just hung out with them). I have actually met her on several occasions, interviewed her once, but I’d rather have a nice leisurely chat.

Dead: Emma Goldman and/or Virginia Woolf. If I could manage to get the two of them together that would be, well, sort of weird and fabulous.

Comment #9: manboobz  on  03/07  at  10:13 PM

ALIVE: Susan Bordo, whose book Unbearable Weight really blew things open for me. I got to see her lecture, and met her briefly, a few years ago. But, I would love to just sit with her and talk for hours.

Carol J Adams would also be high on my list.

DEAD: Emma Goldman and Simone de Beauvoir

Comment #10: Reni  on  03/07  at  10:30 PM

Gloria Steinem was the first who came to mind. I was kind of disappointed when she wasn’t able to come to the Rally for Women’s Health. I also think Emma Goldman would be interesting to talk to.

Comment #11: Bethynyc  on  03/07  at  10:38 PM

If we can substitute wine for beer (I hate beer), I too have a “Dinner Party.”

Sojourner Truth, bell hooks, Elaine Morgan, Phyllis Lyon, Lucy Stone, and “brownfemipower.”  With BabelFish, Simone de Beauvoir and/or Rosa Luxembourg.

If I can do this on successive nights, I have a much longer list…

Comment #12: Just a Singer in a Rock 'n' Roll Band  on  03/07  at  10:46 PM

I’ve always thought about which historical moments I’d like to witness if I could time travel.  On the top of my list is always Sojourner Truth’s Ain’t I A Woman speech.  So I’d have to go with her. 

Bethy, I was really disappointed about Steinem too!  I also really admire her.  I’d love to have a drink with her.

Simone de Beauvoir, Elizabeth Cady Stanton, Angela Davis. 

Gosh, which feminist WOULDN’T I want to have a drink (I really hate beer sorry) with?

Comment #13: Daisy  on  03/07  at  11:16 PM

Emma Goldman and I would get along very well.  I think it very important not to take patriarchal things too seriously.  You just have to march to your own beat and dismantle a patriarch or two along the way.

Comment #14: scratchy888  on  03/07  at  11:23 PM

Emma Goldman, Rachel Maddow, Rosa Luxembourg, Gloria Steinem and Elizabeth Stanton Cady (or any of the suffragettes).  What a party that would be!

Comment #15: NobleExperiments  on  03/07  at  11:25 PM

Elizabeth Cady Stanton. Would have liked to know what it was like to get in on feminism on the ground floor.

Comment #16: Celda  on  03/08  at  12:11 AM

Eleanor Roosevelt - we could chat and knit at the same time.

Comment #17: Danica Lefse Queen  on  03/08  at  12:13 AM

If she counts, mine would definitely be Molly Ivins.

Comment #18: Big_Southern  on  03/08  at  12:17 AM

Famous is a relative term, of course.

So, most won’t know her, but my answer is Na Hyesok (1896~1948), the first female artist/intellectual/feminist in modern Korea. Among her charms were her extreme badassness, such as when she published an essay about women’s chastity that said, “chastity is nothing but a matter of taste, some like it others do not. It has nothing to do with my morality.” This at a time when virginity was considered the all or nothing of a woman’s worth, and when women were barely even present in the world of letters, let alone dropping bombs like this. She also demanded of her husband that consent to four stipulations before she would marry him (a totally unheard of custom then, or now, in Korea): 1) love her forever; 2) don’t interfere in her professional life as a painter; 3) allow her to live in a home away from her mother-in-law (again, rather unheard of) and 4) use their honeymoon to make a pilgrimage to the grave site of her first lover. Seriously badass.

She also dared take on the Korean cult of motherhood, writing about how having children literally sucked the life out of her, how motherhood was a largely fabricated construct that required the subjugation of women as a class, and how the very absence of any parallel notions of “fatherhood” was perfect evidence of the utter moral rot at the heart of Korean patriarchy. 

Oh, and she painted, too: both neo-traditional landscape (http://bit.ly/gvGUW2) and modern (http://bit.ly/fR6OO0)

That said, I wouldn’t want her to drink beer with me. I’d want her to have wine… as she always had a deep love for Paris. And I’m not sure I’d want her to see Korea. It might kill her (again) to see how little has changed.

Comment #19: Osori  on  03/08  at  12:23 AM

Margret Sanger.  I would like to have a chance for her to explain some of her more eugenics-like stuff.  And I would like to thank her for being so brave.

Comment #20: Antigone  on  03/08  at  12:34 AM

Emma and Rosa for sure. Add to that Ursula LeGuin. Marilyn French. Donna Haraway. Ruth Schwartz Cowan. and maybe G.E.M. Anscombe.

Comment #21: Narya  on  03/08  at  12:37 AM

E.T.A., not necessarily the case that all of the people on the list would identify as feminists, per se. But I identify them that way.

Comment #22: Narya  on  03/08  at  12:38 AM

Rosalind Franklin.  I don’t know if you’d call her a “feminist”, but I was always interested in biology in high school and she was the person who first made me think about both the unfairness of patriarchy and also how it weakens the culture on the whole by denying opportunity to women who merit it.  I think I would enjoy dishing Watson and Crick with her…the pricks.  She seems like an interesting person to me.

Once a geek, always a geek.

Comment #23: DBK  on  03/08  at  12:45 AM

Young Mary Shelley.

She actually turned reactionary later in life (I blame Percy), but was the quite the radical when she was younger.

I’d love to meet her sometime between 1818 and 1828, when she was wrestling with the ideas that came out in the first edition of Frankenstein and before the second edition. It’d be neat to talk to her about Frankenstein as a male-childbirth narrative, and also to get her views on science and materialism before she went reactionary.

Also, we’d probably talk about her (no doubt vexed) relationships with Mary Wollstonecraft and William Godwin. I suspect that there’s nothing mythic about it, but just the usual ways “They fuck you up, your Mum and Dad,” as Philip Larkin wrote.

Comment #24: Ernest Valdemar  on  03/08  at  12:48 AM

My first choice would be Emma Goldman. Still, I worry that if I had a conversation with her, I’d end up picking her brain more about anarchism than feminism. So as a second choice, I’d pick Donna Haraway, because A) Cyborgs are awesome B) I think the radical rejection of all forms of essentialist thinking has a lot of potential, but I’d want to ask how this would work out in practical/political situations.

Comment #25: curiouscliche  on  03/08  at  01:04 AM

No beer for this straight edger, but I’d definitly have an ice cream at Emma Goldman’s ice cream parlor (which she ran with Berkman to get the money to buy the gun to shoot at Frick).

Comment #26: BlackBloc  on  03/08  at  01:06 AM

Not sure about drinks, I’m gonna take this opportunity give props to Marlo Thomas (“and Friends”). Not the deepest or most innovative thinker on feminism by a longshot, but one of the most effective and influential people in spreading the core concepts (individualism, equal opportunity, acceptance of differences, etc.) across a young generation (or two or three) in an accessible and fun way. Feminism would not have gained what mainstream traction it has now without hundreds of thousands of schoolkids in the ‘70s and ‘80s listening to “Free to Be ... You and Me.”

And yes, I’m aware it’s slick and sophisticated propaganda aimed at impressionable young minds. But why should the patriarchy have all the fun?

[Wonderful and diverse choices above, I should add, no doubt with more to come—very informative thread.]

Comment #27: Gracchus.  on  03/08  at  01:15 AM

Not looking at any other answers yet.

Andrea Dworkin, because I think she’s been unduly shat upon.  Not to “ask her what she meant” but, knowing what she meant, hearing it from her.  Discussing the gentle spirit that’s born in men, as in all humans, that is blunted and cut up and murdered by the patriarchy.

And thanks for acknowledging the reality and necessity of second-wave anger.  I think it’s hard for people who didn’t live through that time to fully understand it (historic truism).  The mix of wild radicalism with opportunism and corporatism, the feeling that everything was possible and yet maybe nothing was possible, the feeling that freedom and happiness was being promised us but getting the same old sink full of dirty dishes and pile of shitty diapers in our task lists.

Comment #28: oldfeminist  on  03/08  at  01:23 AM

Ooh, and for live feminists, I would go with Yoko Ono.

Comment #29: oldfeminist  on  03/08  at  01:27 AM

Barbara McClintock, she revolutionized genetics with her discoveries although her Nobel was a bit late, IMHO.

Comment #30: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/08  at  01:36 AM

James Tiptree, Jr; but she had so much social anxiety that it might be unkind to ask her out. Maybe Margaret Oliphant, whose novels are full of psychological subtlety and strong women, and who’d've been the equal of Chekhov if she hadn’t had to write so fast to support her family.

Comment #31: Josh  on  03/08  at  01:42 AM

Ann Richards and Molly Ivins, together.

Comment #32: teac  on  03/08  at  01:51 AM

bell hooks.  She is the first feminist author I’ve ever read, and in my humble opinion, she’s got everything figured out.  Talking with her over some beers would be awesome.

Comment #33: April  on  03/08  at  01:51 AM

Sojourner Truth, I think. Or Ursula K. Leguin. One of the two. The first because her style of language makes me believe that she’d be a great person to have a conversation with, and because she had a tremendous amount of wisdom, the latter because I’m a huge nerd and I think she’s one of the few science fiction writers who actually makes you think.

Comment #34: HonestB  on  03/08  at  02:00 AM

Mary Wollstonecraft.  No contest.  There’s the Godwin stuff Ernest Valdemar brought up, the hookup with Gilbert Imlay, the openly acknowledged illegitimate child, the suicide attempts, and that’s before even getting into the travels through Europe, the debate over the French Revolution, lordy lordy lordy what a life.

Comment #35: FlipYrWhig  on  03/08  at  04:02 AM

Of the ones not named, Martha Nussbaum. And I have had a beer with the most influential feminist thinker on my own personal worldview, the person who turned me onto to the idea that, as oft quoted, “women are human too”, Dr. Van Hussell. She taught a class in gender roles at UF back in the late ‘90s that I took totally on a whim. I remain amazed she just didn’t throw a brick at me.

Comment #36: Matt T.  on  03/08  at  04:22 AM

Lucille Ball, who in real life ran the studio while having her children after age 40, at the same time she created her enduring portrayal of the hapless housewife.

Comment #37: Hector B.  on  03/08  at  06:44 AM

I was first introduced to feminism when I was about 15, I picked up one of those orange Penguin Classics excerpt mini-book collections for something to read from a charity shop while I was on holiday. It had a chapter from Camille Paglia’s Sexual Personae, which was a hell of an introduction to feminist politics and thought and got me actually thinking about women as autonomous individuals rather than the second class citizens my Catholic upbringing had portrayed them as.

So I’d like to go and have a drink and a talk with her and say thanks, but back when she was the exciting, sex positive feminist, rather than the Aesthetic neo-Catholic reactionary she’s growing into.

Comment #38: Akheloios  on  03/08  at  09:07 AM

If we’re going to rank feminists according to how much fun it would be to go drinking with them, clearly Carry Nation wins.

Comment #39: rea  on  03/08  at  09:34 AM

Lucy Parsons, Lucy Burns & Alice Paul.
Also, definitely agree with Josh (@#32) about the wonderful Alice Sheldon (James Tiptree, Jr.), someone whose brain I would have loved to pick on a broad range of topics.

Comment #40: EdoBosnar  on  03/08  at  09:34 AM

Ernest, not to be too much of a downer, but Mary Shelley didn’t have a relationship with her mother at all.  They weren’t estranged; they were just never really alive at the same time.  Wollstonecraft died giving birth to Mary.  That kind of brutal reality of women’s lives is one reason feminism is so important.

Comment #41: Amanda Marcotte  on  03/08  at  09:47 AM

As I said on Amanda’s FB:

1.  Victoria Woodhull
2.  Margaret Sanger
3.  Andrea Dworkin
4.  Valerie Solanas
5.  Fanny (Frances) Wright

Comment #42: Hugo Schwyzer  on  03/08  at  10:30 AM

Like Dark Avenger I’d opt for Barbara McClintock. Maybe she could finally explain to me some of the complicated genetic crosses that fried my brain when I had to present them in a journal club in grad school.

Comment #43: Steve LaBonne  on  03/08  at  10:40 AM

Probably not famous, but I’d opt for Emmy Noether.  She was a German mathematician with some very important results in linear algebra.

Comment #44: bgcamroux  on  03/08  at  10:45 AM

And, of course, one Amanda Marcotte wink

Comment #45: bgcamroux  on  03/08  at  10:50 AM

I would totally buy Angela Davis a beer. I don’t know I would want to *have* a beer with her because I’d be too afraid of looking like a jackass, but I really admire her.

Comment #46: Mighty Ponygirl  on  03/08  at  10:50 AM

Dead: Christine De Pizan, for being a feminist before anyone knew what that was. but obviously only if I could speak french or she could speak english, I’d really like to see what she thought of how the world has changed.
Living: Ursula Le Guin, I would just listen to her talk on an topic for hours, and maybe get a book or two signed.

Comment #47: Leah Jaclyn  on  03/08  at  10:52 AM

Simone de Beauvoir is a great pick; she would make tremendous conversation.  Someone mentioned Ursula Le Guin - another great pick for conversation.

As it’s 8 March, my choice would be Clara Zetkin.

Comment #48: lpfischer  on  03/08  at  11:29 AM

De Beauvoir is way up there, but as a dixhuitiemist by trade, I gotta go with Wollstonecraft’s ghost. If only to let her in on what her daughter accomplished.

Really, I’d love to sit down in the ether with any dead (proto-)feminist whose dreams of equality have come partially true centuries on. Wollstonecraft would be irked by a few goings-on today, no question, but overall (and if she could get over her race/class hangups) it would be fun to compare notes and show her she wasn’t the “dog walking on hind legs” her contemporaries made her out to be, much less the “ruined” woman. And as someone mentioned upthread, the woman had experiences that would make a historian’s brain bleed. The stories!

Comment #49: Ranylt  on  03/08  at  11:50 AM

So Amanda, did you have a chance to have an IRL beer with Ivins or Richards?

Enquiring minds want to know.

I’d also have a beer with Barbara Ehrenreich.  Any day, any time.

Comment #50: Ms Kate  on  03/08  at  11:57 AM

Dead: Gertrude Stein

Living: Wangari Maathai

Comment #51: SallyStrange  on  03/08  at  12:06 PM

Molly Ivins.
Helen keller and Anne Sullivan
Absolutely, Ms Kate…anyone that ready with both facts and laughs? Good to drink with.
When she answered my e-mail, I showed it to all my feminist friends.

Comment #52: chicating  on  03/08  at  12:16 PM

Someone mentioned Ursula Le Guin - another great pick for conversation.

Having met both Le Guin and Suzie Bright, I have to say that Bright is a lot chattier. Le Guin would have to get comfortable with you.

Comment #53: Hector B.  on  03/08  at  12:47 PM

Grace Hopper. I might like to buy Virginia Woolf a glass of sherry from a safe distance.

Caryl Churchill.

Comment #54: paul  on  03/08  at  12:49 PM

Another vote for Emma Goldman.  (and kudos to the hardworkiing women who are trying to get all of her papers published (http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/Goldman/).
And Victoria Woodhull AND her sister Tennessee Claflin.
And speaking of Victorias, she’s not quite a feminist but Metta Victoria Fuller Victor was one very interesting lady of the mid-nineteenth century.
I’d also have loved to meet Mary Sargeant Neal Gove Nichols, a free lover, novelist, vegetarian, and feminist who, strangely, converted to Catholicism after she married and moved to England.  Why she lost her youthful ideals is a great mystery to me.

Comment #55: elisabeth51  on  03/08  at  01:05 PM

More modern:
Rachel Maddow, for sure.  She’s awesome.

For completely unfeminist reasons:
Janeane Garofalo.  I have a huge celebrity crush.

Seconding teac (@33):
Ann Richards and Molly Ivins.

Historical:
Marie Curie.  (I don’t know that she’d call herself a feminist, but her life was full of win.)

Obligatory Suck-Up:
Our gracious hosts.  (Not just Amanda, I’d like to hang out with Jesse, Marc, and Pam too.)

Comment #56: libdevil  on  03/08  at  01:11 PM

Emma Goldman is my first and as I read the list I’m glad to see very popular choice. Add to that Rosa Luxembourg and you’ve got my top two ‘radical women’ but I think of them first as political agitators who’s politics included feminism as opposed to purely feminists…

This and what I’ve been reading at Racialicous about feminism, how the movement is, treating each other well, tearing each other down, the academic feminism world, all gets me thinking that there’s a turning point at hand; a turn from critical-first, purity-goal to a broader acceptance of each other on the trail. It seems to be a good direction to go!

I’d also like to add Sappho, and some of the priestesses of the Minoan goddess faith, given miraculous translation skills to go with the miraculous time-shifting meeting.

Comment #57: nihilix  on  03/08  at  02:18 PM

Live people who have not yet been mentioned: Tamora Pierce. I could talk to her about feminism AND attempting to establish oneself as a YA fantasy author! (I am a big nerd.)

For dead people who have not yet been mentioned: Louisa May Alcott. I read all her “moral pap for children” as a moral papist child (please forgive the terrible terrible pun), and last year I discovered her grown-up writing and it was awesome.

Previously mentioned: Mary Shelley and Mary Wollstonecraft.

Comment #58: thecynicalromantic  on  03/08  at  03:18 PM

Though in this case it would have to be wine, I’d love to meet Christine de Pizan, the fourteenth-century French aristocrat who wrote The Book of the City of Ladies.  An excerpt from this book was required reading at my high school;  can’t recall the exact text but it was along the lines of “what men say about women, how we are bitchy and faithless and scheming and dishonest, is not only not true of women, it’s really more true of men.”  I think I was 14 and it blew me away;  it was one of the first times I recall that I actually took on board the idea that the conventional wisdom is very often nonsense.  Our teacher read part of the excerpt aloud and all the boys were laughing their heads off and all the girls were nodding.

Anyway, “City of Ladies” is part a fantasy—she writes about a place where women are respected—and part true because she uses real women’s stories as the building blocks for the city.

time for me to re-read, I think.

Comment #59: Anniecat45  on  03/08  at  04:11 PM

Susan Faludi. Backlash probably was responsible for getting more people of my age interested in feminism than anything else—almost everyone I knew was reading it in 1991.

I also admire her because she was a journalist as well as a feminist. Often times gender debates are bereft of actual facts of data, with everyone just giving their opinions about things. Faludi has an amazing command of factual detail. I remember reading the chapter of “Stiffed” about Paul Brown, someone I know a fair amount about as a football fan. I don’t think she ever worked as a sports reporter, but she had more details (and accurate ones) in her discussion of Brown than any other article about him that I have ever seen.

Comment #60: Dilan Esper  on  03/08  at  04:13 PM

Oh, how could I forget Molly Ivins and Ann Richards?  Add in Rachel Maddow, and I’d be in fangirl heaven.

Comment #61: NobleExperiments  on  03/08  at  05:14 PM

Simone de Beauvoir or Kate Millett. Weirdly I do not know how to pronounce the latters name because I read her books outside of any formal class. Is it millett as in grain or millett with the two tt’s sounding French which would be pronounced “mill-eyy?

Comment #62: Bean Slap  on  03/08  at  05:19 PM

Why, you, of course, but I know that I’d have to bring a change of clothes, because the odds are pretty good that you’d dump a pitcher of beer on my head.  smile

Comment #63: Dana  on  03/08  at  05:24 PM

I would want to meet Virginia Woolf, not to have a beer, but to look at the Hogarth Press and perhaps help out with the typesetting while we talked about feminism, writing and women’s writing.  I think it would be fabulous to talk about how much and how little has changed since she was born 100 years, 4 months and 25 days before me.  I would love to hear her opinions on modern feminist writers like Margaret Atwood as well as show/tell her how influential her own work has been, both nonfiction like A Room of One’s Own and fiction.  I also want to let her know that I have long planned to name future daughters after her and Elizabeth I (although I’m not sure that I should anymore due to the names holding traditional connotations and really disliking nicknames for both).  But I have decided for sure that I will name any future son Orlando.  I’d also want to talk with her about the great women writers that we’ve both read in common, especially George Eliot, and the rediscovery of a number of 18th-century women writers who were incredibly popular in their time and subsequently written out of our literary history.

After my heroine, idol and inspiration VW, I would want to meet Amanda - or as I refer to her to my spouse when I am telling him about some new post she’s written Amanda the Panda.  I’m so glad I stumbled upon this blog a few years ago b/c Amanda has radically changed/helped improve my feminist thinking.  I used to be pretty straight-laced and very reactionary in my feminism, but Amanda has been a great leader in terms of thinking critically, cutting through bullshit (like anti-choicers calling themselves pro-life) and still being awesome and having fun.  I like how Amanda doesn’t let stupid antis, mansplainers and so on make her feel bad with their sexism - she takes it in stride and doesn’t take it personally, which has been a tremendous example for me.  So, I don’t drink beer, but I would love to go to an 80s party with Amanda and dance the night away, but still have time to sit down and talk about random shit like “sex-positive” feminism, our atheist journeys, and so on.

Comment #64: linz  on  03/08  at  06:27 PM

Liz Flynn or Mary Jones

Comment #65: jefft452  on  03/08  at  07:31 PM

In the dead category, Molly Ivins.

In the living, “could I be more of a kiss-ass?” category, Amanda Marcotte.

Comment #66: adobedragon  on  03/08  at  07:49 PM

Erm, since my phrasing was weird, I should clarify that the “kiss-ass” is me.

Comment #67: adobedragon  on  03/08  at  07:52 PM

BFP, Yoko Ono, Molly Ivins, Meg from A Practical Wedding, Hillary Clinton, Cordelia Fine (author of Delusions of Gender, my new favorite book, thanks for the rec Amanda!), Amanda herself, and my mom. Not that I can’t have a beer with my mom anyway, but I’d love to hear her conversation with the rest of that group.

Comment #68: snowmentality  on  03/08  at  08:22 PM

Does anyone know how to pronounce Kate Millett the author of Sexual Politics? Seriously, I know it sounds dense, but I dont know how you pronounce it.

Comment #69: Bean Slap  on  03/08  at  08:42 PM

Eleanor Roosevelt!

Comment #70: Woodrowfan  on  03/08  at  09:28 PM

Emma Goldman (we’d have to do tea, since she’d be quite drunk already, judging by how many others here listed her!), Mary Wollstonecraft, Clara Zetkin, Alexandra Kollontai, bell hooks, Audre Lorde, Sor Juana InĂ©s de la Cruz, Cherrie Moraga, Gloria AnzaldĂșa, Eve Kosofsky Sedgwick, Jack Halberstam…It would be quite a party. And, oh, Donna Haraway!

Comment #71: elena  on  03/09  at  01:15 AM

i’ve had a drink with amanda! wink i’d list…rachel maddow, dorothy parker, margaret cho, ann richards, amy poehler.

Comment #72: chibi  on  03/09  at  02:26 AM

Matilda Joslyn Gage, who was one of the founding members of the National Women Suffrage Association, and also Frank “Wizard of Oz” L. Baum’s mother-in-law. She left that organization because she objected to its alliance with Christianity. As for living feminists, I would love to sling a few margs with good ol’ Twisty Faster.

Comment #73: Skip_Intro  on  03/09  at  05:06 AM
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