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Why are Republicans acting like the election was sprung on them by surprise?

There's something intensely hilarious about Republicans acting like the election season was announced on them out of nowhere, giving them no time to prepare a suitable candidate. Steve Kornacki has an article about why the "white knight" fantasies Republicans are indulging, where some great candidate that can unify the nuts and the moderates will emerge and save them all from the black President, is just foolish. I recommend reading it; it has some good arguments with which to taunt your conservative friends indulging these fantasies. But really, the fantasy itself is fascinating enough:

This is why there’s suddenly loud talk about a new candidate jumping in the GOP race. If Romney melts down, Santorum looms as the next most likely victor — and his white hot culture war rhetoric these past few days is a perfect demonstration of why most November-minded Republicans believe his nomination would be a disaster. And after Santorum comes Newt Gingrich, whom those same Republicans tend to regard as poison, and then Ron Paul, who’s a nonstarter. As an unnamed Republican senator told ABC News late last week, “If Romney cannot win Michigan, we need a new candidate.”

Due to rioting in the streets and the eventual election of Richard Nixon, our country soured quickly on brokered conventions, but hey, Americans have short memories, so I can see the fantasy  has emerged. But it just makes Republicans look stupid. They kicked off the primary season like 8 months early! Now they're running around saying, "Oh shit, we forgot to develop an acceptable candidate." For the 2008 election, both Clinton and Obama had their campaigns up and running before 2007, and the Republicans are suggesting that it's just fine to grab someone off a shelf in August and toss them into the race. In other words, the very thing that got them into this mess---believing anyone would do and not really putting any effort forward to develop a good candidate---is what they foolishly think will save them. Why on earth do Republicans persist in this delusion?

Well, I think the answer lies in the Republican fondness for teleprompter jokes about Obama. No, hear me out. 

I'm sure it hasn't passed anyone here's attention that the now-mandatory jokes about Obama being unable to speak without a teleprompter* are racist dog whistles. These jokes substitute for swipes about "affirmative action" (not that conservatives don't make those as well, but those are more undeniably racist and so tend to exist more on the fringes), and "affirmative action", in turn, substitutes for more straightforward claims about race and merit, claims that have become socially toxic, unless you're Andrew Sullivan whining about the P.C. police shutting you down by making faces at you. But conservatives have a weird relationship with this spoken-in-code belief that the President is stupid and only has his position because the nation had a spasm of affirmative action impulse voting. On one hand, they do believe this. On the other, they only "believe" it, because they're not blind and can see just as well as the rest of us that he is a smart man. The result is that they initially believed any white dude in a suit could beat Obama, and that racism gave them an excellent tailwind in this race. And then, in a class too little too late fashion, they realized that they should have actually considered that Obama is a formidable candidate and beating him is going to be really hard to do. But, being conservatives, their solution appears to be, "Okay, get rid of all these other white dudes in suits, and grab someone else and throw him in! Surely he'll be better." It's weird. I've never seen anything quite like it. It's like someone who keeps buying the latest issue of US Weekly and then is surprised every time that it's not Harper's. I can't help but think if race wasn't such a distraction for conservatives, they could have put something better together. 

 

*Which is an inverse of reality. All politicians use one, because it looks better than the previous era, when all politicians---yes, Lincoln, yes, Roosevelt---read speeches off pieces of paper. (In fact, this practice saved Teddy Roosevelt's life; he had the manuscript of his speech in his pocket when a would-be assailant shot him, and the manuscript slowed the bullet down and kept it from killing him.) But off-teleprompter, Obama performs way better than average. In fact, his ability to give clear but eloquent answers off the cuff is one thing that separated him at a young age from other politicians.

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 09:49 AM • (72) Comments

Not that I disagree with any of this, but I think the more simple explanation is the depleted Gop bench. This has played out a lot like the 2007-8 primary, in my mind, except without candidates as credible as Rudy Guilliani or Fred Thompson.

My guess is that Huckabee, Jeb, and Christie are biding their time, hoping that the economy and Dem candidate give them a better shot in 2016 than they’d have this year, but I’m not entirely sure any of the three—or any other Republican—won’t pull a Perry under the kleig lights of a presidential campaign. Especially if they’re accountable to a competitive primary.

Comment #1: humanadverb  on  02/21  at  10:58 AM

I think you’re leaving out an essential element as to why the Republicans are so unprepared. They spent the better part of 2009 and 2010 believing in the Tea Party ascendance nonsense, and I think many of them fully expected that wave to carry them through 2012.  Compounding the mistake, they misread the the 2010 election results as affirmation, as opposed to frustration with the economy.

Hence, they spent all their energy attempting to appeal to that tiny demographic.  By late 2011, I think everyone was coming to realize that the Tea Party was deeply unpopular outside of the Republican base, but by the time this realization came, it was much too late.

Comment #2: jleaux  on  02/21  at  11:01 AM

You could make a good argument that it’s actually the other way round. If the election had just been sprung on them, these guys would be fresh. But when you’ve been campaigning continuously for a year or two or five it’s so much harder to stick to message and image. And it’s so much harder to find a sugar daddy willing to fund the long slog. Not that any of the guys who dropped out or stayed on the sidelines were any better, but I think none of them anticipated just how long and boring all this would be.

Comment #3: paul  on  02/21  at  11:04 AM

At least Christie is still a governor.  Who wants to elect a guy that hasn’t done anything in the decade before the election but book tours?
Also let’s not forget that TR went on to finish that speech.

Comment #4: ganews_  on  02/21  at  11:06 AM

This speaks to what I think is an important shift in the so called “GOP establishment.” They are clearly behind Romney - and if he won this round after losing a previous election or primary, it would mimic the pattern of most GOP candidates. Think about it - McCain, HW Bush, Bob Dole, Nixon - even Ronald Reagan. The lone exception was GW Bush. Dems tend to give you one shot with the exception of Adlai Stevenson, where GOP has a kind of queue that is…or was…sacrosanct..

But Romney didn’t win SC - remember that primary that has ‘chosen the nominee’ (by which they mean they turned out to be right) since 1980.

The scripts they are used to plodding through aren’t working anymore - the SC voters who hissed at Juan Williams back in the FOX debate there did not ‘step into line’ with what McCain and Co. wanted.

Comment #5: KingElvis  on  02/21  at  11:26 AM

The result is that they initially believed any white dude in a suit could beat Obama, and that racism gave them an excellent tailwind in this race. And then, in a class too little too late fashion, they realized that they should have actually considered that Obama is a formidable candidate and beating him is going to be really hard to do.

I don’t know that all of them have actually gotten to the second point yet.  I think many Republicans still see Obama’s election as some kind of fluke.  They think there is no way he will get elected again because “young people just don’t vote.” And all the old people are racists.  They never thought he would get elected in the first place.  I had several conversations before the election when Obama was killing it in the polls and they were telling me there was just no way we would ever elect a black president. 

I don’t think they even realize that they aren’t taking him seriously, that’s how not seriously they take him.

Comment #6: shinobi42  on  02/21  at  11:41 AM

TR not only went on to give that speech, with the bullet lodged in his chest; the speech itself was on the necessity of civility in politics!

Teddy Roosevelt would be utterly ashamed of what his party has become.

Comment #7: Froborr  on  02/21  at  11:41 AM

I think all of the above is probably right.

On the one hand, there’s the… let’s call it the ‘teleprompter effect’, helped along by the ‘tea party’ factor outlined by jleaux.

And the Republican bench really does seem pretty weak.

On the other hand, you’ve got to think that if there really are any reasonably credible, savvy, optionally halfway sane-seeming Republican contenders out there somewhere, they’re also going to be the ones that are smart enough to sit the current $%@7show out, and bide their time a few more years until they don’t have to face off against a (reasonably) popular incumbent.

So there’s a self selection thing going on. The “white knight” (gack) that everyone is waiting for, if he’s out there, is quietly burnishing his resume for 2016. Leaving just the incompetents and buffoons scrabbling for a chance to lose to Obama in 2012.

Of course, there might be a few real contenders who throw (have thrown) their hats in this year, on the calculation that even an ultimately lost campaign will improve their standing in four years (or maybe the horse will learn to sing). But if we’ve seen them already, the field is really super weak… Makes 2016 look better too.

(All of which probably sounds slightly more optimistic than I think I feel. I’m still concerned about the economy, and the horse learning to sing, as it were. But it’s certainly heartwarming to watch such a remarkable Republican meltdown.)

Comment #8: jack lecou  on  02/21  at  11:42 AM

“I can’t help but think if race wasn’t such a distraction for conservatives, they could have put something better together.”

Thank you for bringing this argument down to its bare bones—racism. These fools really thought that Obama was an affirmative action candidate and any republican they picked could beat him. It is too late to correct their mistake and even get any of the so called saviors onto the ballots of the super Tuesday states. This is what 40 plus years of the southern strategy hath wrought—a far right electorate who will not be satisfied with a candidate who only hates poor people. If Mitt could just convince them that he hates blacks, gays, immigrants, Muslims and sexually active women too, the gop nomination process would have ended a month ago.

Comment #9: serious bette  on  02/21  at  11:43 AM

Its the curse of Privilege, it makes you weak underneath your gilded armor.

Comment #10: ewellone  on  02/21  at  11:44 AM

I can’t help but think that Romney isn’t Frank Luntz’s perfect candidate, if he just didn’t have to win over the hopelessly-out-of-touch base. This is what two generations of Republicans winking as they toss red meat to the plebs has gotten them… and if he does manage to wrap up this primary, Romney’s loss in the general will be interpreted as “WE MUST BE MORE UNRELENTINGLY IN THRALL TO RUSH LIMBAUGH OR OUR VISION BOARDS WILL NOT COME TRUE.”

If these people didn’t have control of state legislatures and governor’s mansions, I couldn’t wait.

Comment #11: humanadverb  on  02/21  at  11:54 AM

Well, I think the answer lies in the Republican fondness for teleprompter jokes about Obama.

Wait, seriously?  They’re pulling that shit after GWB? Dudes, your last candidate in office made Cretien look eloquent.

Comment #12: Jayn Newell  on  02/21  at  11:59 AM

“...they initially believed any white dude in a suit could beat Obama…”

This. A thousand times.

That’s what they believe. Surely no black man would EVER be able to defeat a rich white man in a national election. This is America, damnit!

Comment #13: Mark  on  02/21  at  12:03 PM

I’ve already heard one republican suggest Alan West. YUP. That worked so well for Alan Keyes.

Comment #14: SweetT  on  02/21  at  12:33 PM

SweetT, I wish they would get Alan Keyes to run. That would at least be entertaining.

Comment #15: TiminIowa  on  02/21  at  12:46 PM

This is the culmination of DECADES of abuse of moderates in the Republican party.  There was a far more effective and reasonable Republican governor from MA - one that I voted for twice!  His name was Bill Weld, and Jesse Helms and the other knuckledraggers despised him with white-hot hate because he had gay friends and learned from them; he backed off of talking points when reality set in; and he didn’t see any reason to put up with bedroom intrusion when there was work to do!

Yes, Bill Weld was nationally electable - and he and many other moderates were intentionally squelched and all but drummed out of the party by the current misogynist, racist, idiot culture warriors who hate reality with a white hot heat.

Too fucking bad.

Comment #16: Ms Kate  on  02/21  at  12:50 PM

It is true that the hole “he uses a teleprompter” is a racist dog whistle to everyone who is a member of their tribe (outside of the tribe it makes them sound look back-ass hayseeds).  But what I find fascinating is the dog whistle they use when their theory of Obama being a inferior affermative action hire is disproven beyond a shadow of a doubt.

For example, I think about 2 or 3 years ago the GOP House members invited Obama to a British style parilmentalry forum.  It is obvious they believed their own bullshit about Obama being an idiot and thought they would prove to everyone what they thought they already knew.  Instead, Obama whipped the floor with them—knocking down their half-assed talking points with stone cold logic combined with equal parts eloquence and charisma.  After that obvious humilation at someone they felt to be inferior they suddenly began saying he “was talking down to them” or “speaking as if he where a professor giving a lecture”; in short, the code went from being “he is a stupid nigger” to “he is an uppity nigger”.  And trust me, having grown up in Alabama the only thing they hate more than a black man getting something they obviously believe they haven’t “earned” is one that shows that he is more intelligence than they are.

Comment #17: Bernie  on  02/21  at  12:50 PM

It’s kind of fitting that Republicans can’t find a candidate to go after their most hated president ever, when we all kinda had to settle for Kerry to go against Bush.

I know all about Paul’s baggage, both racist and sexist, so I’m not trying to argue for him per se, but I don’t see how the Republicans can move forward without accepting more of Paul’s model as the future.

1) Drop the culture war bullshit, or at least move away from prioritizing it, or legislating it

2) Focus on libertarianism against things the left hates too: Patriot Act, drug war, etc

The Republicans’ survival strategy has to be attacking Democrats from the left on social issues, while keeping their libertarian pro-corporate slant.

That Paul doesn’t do it for them doesn’t look good for the party’s future.

Comment #18: Seebach  on  02/21  at  12:51 PM

Oh, and I think that Barney Frank nailed it when he traced the origins of partisanship for the sake of partisanship in the congress to Gringich’s Contract on America.  This is Newt’s legacy falling on its hateful face, right here.

Comment #19: Ms Kate  on  02/21  at  12:59 PM

I don’t think you can apply logic republicans, they are completely reality free, and after they lose in November they will create a new reality about stolen elections to explain it away.

Comment #20: Benny  on  02/21  at  01:08 PM

I sometimes worry about a Santorum presidency because of accidents of history.  If there hadn’t been a helicopter accident in the desert Jimmy Carter would have had a second term and we might not have had Ronald Reagan as a president at all.  If Mario Cuomo hadn’t sat on his thumbs when George Bush the First was still basking in the glory of Desert Storm, Clinton probably wouldn’t have made it in.  (Clinton was a much better president than we had any right to expect, at least until he tripped over his dick one or two too many times.) Some serious glitch in the slowly recovering economy beyond any control of Obama could propel someone else into the White House. 

Then again, Santorum continues to display his ability to spew crap out his mouth that is unappealing to large majorities of voters, and this reassures me.

Comment #21: MiddleageLiberal  on  02/21  at  01:18 PM

After the 2008 Republican Party’s “find somebody with a vagina and a skirt to be McCain’s VP!”, why would 2012’s “find somebody with a penis and a suit” be surprising?

Since Reagan they’ve had nothing but guys who know how to spout Reichwing talking-points.  Not a thinker among them.  Thinking is, in fact, actively discouraged.

They have benefited enormously from a series of situations they were able to exploit.  Nixon got the South because of Johnson’s CRAs, and because everyone was getting fed up with Vietnam.  Carter was a rebound president, chosen in reaction to Nixon’s downfall, but Reagan was the rebound from Carter.  Mondale and Dukakis were lackluster candidates, which allowed eight-more years of Reagan + Reagan-Redux)  Clinton made a great target while giving the Reichwing all it wanted except his resignation.  Bush Jr. had 9/11 which would have been hung around the neck of a Democrat, but was spun into gold — for big defense contractors and others sucking at the enormous, indefatigable defense teat. 

It’s about fucking time they pay the price for all the bad karma they’ve earned…

Comment #22: MikeEss  on  02/21  at  01:24 PM

Sarah Palin was their last “good” idea in the “anything beats a black guy” train of thought: “Ah ha, we’ll counter the novelty of first black to run for president with our own novelty. Get the women vote—including disgruntled Hillary voters!—with a token female. A cutie in heels, will also grab the masculine vote by the dick!”

“Anybody but the black guy” worked so well for them the last time, they’re doubling down with white guys, but maybe Romney will throw in the “novelty” of Rubio as VP.

Comment #23: judybrowni  on  02/21  at  01:44 PM

Actually, clear, off the cuff elegant answers that don’t sound stuck up were a Bill Clinton hallmark as Arkansas Governor.

Comment #24: helen w. h.  on  02/21  at  01:45 PM

@18 - The Paul view will never catch on for this generation of right-wingers, because they have a raging war-boner that will never be satisfied. Maybe another couple election cycles, but I don’t even see this happening in 2016.

Comment #25: Jimmy  on  02/21  at  01:55 PM

I’m still having a hard time figuring out what the fuck is going on in the Republican camp. First, I thought it was simply that those Republicans with any braincells left were waiting for 2016 to run because they already knew Obama will be a tough one to beat this year, hence the lack of sane candidates; but there were one or two sane ones, they just didn’t poll above 2% ever. So then I thought the Republicans were still confused by the 2010 results and actually thought the US had suddenly turned wingnut; but if that were true, they wouldn’t be so unhappy with Santorum as a potential candidate. So what I’m left with is that actually, there is no thinking behind this; rather, the Republicans have lost control over their own party to the rabid mob they’ve been courting for years: they know the candidates they can have will lose, and the candidates that might win they can’t have because the mob didn’t accept them.

Comment #26: jadehawk  on  02/21  at  01:56 PM

Seeback, which is it: Ron Paul, or dropping the culture war? Because last I checked, Paul was an anti-environmentalist, anti-woman racist, just like the rest of them.

Comment #27: jadehawk  on  02/21  at  01:57 PM

Seebach*

Comment #28: jadehawk  on  02/21  at  01:58 PM

I also have to point out that I am honestly concerned about who the Dems will run in 2016.  I really don’t care for Biden, and can’t see many of the current Senators as someone I’d like either.  Maybe a Governor?

Comment #29: helen w. h.  on  02/21  at  01:58 PM

What Jadehawk said at 27 also.  Paul is a man of his time and place.  That time and place is pretty ugly in terms of stands in the “culture war” (aka the war against women and non-rich, non-white men and most of them gay guys, too…).

Comment #30: helen w. h.  on  02/21  at  02:00 PM

Seems like there’s another angle here too.

I don’t remember ‘96 that clearly, but it seems to me that Dole wasn’t ever exactly a strong candidate, or necessarily the best candidate the GOP could have fielded, if it had wanted to. I remember having the feeling at the time that it was really more like he was an old timer who was “due” for his presidential bid. And of course he was going to lose, but it didn’t matter much, because anyone was probably going to lose against an even marginally popular incumbent. Which Clinton certainly was. (There was, of course, a sort of a polite fiction among Washington insiders that Dole was a serious candidate with some kind of real chance, but come on.)

So what distinguishes ‘96 from ‘12 is not so much the strength of the GOP challengers(s) (weak), or their odds of eventually prevailing against the Dem incumbent (poor), as it is simply the sheer number of second rate aspirants this time around. IIRC, Dole was, for whatever reason, pretty much the inside pick from early on. This time, the establishment has not—or has not been able to—pick an early winner. So we have a $%@7show.

Now, there may well be some long term structural weaknesses in the GOP’s base/establishment relationship behind that failure, and certainly some racism driven madness (I wonder what’s going to happen when the Republicans finally fail to defeat the “illegitimate”/“affirmative action”/“food stamp”/“commie” president? What’s going to replace that goal as the animating force behind the movement?). And those may well cause further problems down the road.

But the practical result this year isn’t necessarily huge. Even if, say, Romney or Perry or somebody had had a clear field from the get go, I’m not sure it ultimately would have made much difference in November anyway.

Comment #31: jack lecou  on  02/21  at  02:14 PM

I also have to point out that I am honestly concerned about who the Dems will run in 2016. 
Comment #29: helen w. h.  on 02/21 at 01:58 PM

He keeps denying that he has any interest, but I’m still keeping an eye on Brian Schweitzer.  He leaves office this year (term-limit) riding an incredible wave of popularity and success, even in the face of a teabagging GOP legislature bent on denying him a single victory.  He’s smart, he’s canny, he knows how to talk to rednecks, and he knows how to get his way. 

I’m not saying he would be a shoo-in: his unconventional, red-state Democrat stances might not have sufficient national appeal, especially in the primaries. But he could make a run at it if he wants to.

Comment #32: Cris (without an H)  on  02/21  at  02:14 PM

@Helen w. h.: I think the best thing the Dems could do for 2016 is to pick a few youngish representatives and senators like Keith Ellison or Kristen Gilibrand (sp?), or perhaps even Elizabeth Warren, and have them present Democratic and Progressive talking points relentlessly on network and cable tv in the interim years to build name recognition for a campaign.

Comment #33: progrocker  on  02/21  at  02:19 PM

They think there is no way he will get elected again because “young people just don’t vote.” And all the old people are racists.

If they truly believe that “young people just don’t vote” then they should have duct taped Rick Santorum and other Repubican’s mouths when they decided to start talking about outlawing contraception.  Suddenly telling 18-30 year olds that the entire goal is to make certain they never have sex and if they do have sex they have to have babies touches on something personal.  I think most young people want to keep having sexy fun times and most don’t want to have children when they don’t have the money to take care of them.

@helen @29 Other than his unfathomable support of SOPA, Sherrod Brown is really a good liberal and may have the ability to win the Presidency.  I also won’t totally rule Hilary out.  I’m from Ohio and our last Democratic Governor was Strickland, a good guy but a notably poor campaigner.  I also live very near Dennis Kucinich land and he will never pull it off, so I can’t come up with anyone except Brown who might pull it off from my neck of the woods.  I personally would love Nancy Pelosi to give it a go, but I suspect she wouldn’t win.

Comment #34: Percysowner  on  02/21  at  02:20 PM

Moderates in the repub party will never gain favor again until Fauxnews decides that they are useful.  It was Fauxnews and the Kochroaches that made the teabaggers and they will not let any rational moderates get a foothold in the patry.

Comment #35: DontFearTheReaper  on  02/21  at  02:24 PM

Kochroaches

*applause

Comment #36: Cris (without an H)  on  02/21  at  02:25 PM

I agree with percysowner, The repubs energized the youth vote with their crazy ass anti-woman stances.  I think they awoke the sleeping giant.  They made this election very personal to the youth of ‘murica.

Comment #37: DontFearTheReaper  on  02/21  at  02:29 PM

Another part of it is Republican projection and simplemindedness.

“They made fun of OUR President for being stupid so we get to make fun of THEIR President for being stupid!  Teleprompters!  Hahahahah!”

Comment #38: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  02/21  at  02:30 PM

I know that Paul is not on the right side of the culture war, but that’s not the constant drumbeat I hear from him.

Besides, the racism and sexism should endear Paul to the Republicans. I don’t get why he’s not more popular.

Comment #39: Seebach  on  02/21  at  03:03 PM

I certainly won’t try to underestimate Republican racism, but I’ve still always attributed the teleprompter jokes to plain old Republican deflection.

Their guy was a complete fucking moron who could barely even use a teleprompter and certainly couldn’t speak off the cuff for any other purpose than joshing around with reporters.  Obama’s speaking skills are second to none, he’s an incredibly effective debater, and he’s given speeches from memory more than once.  Of course the Republicans attack his strengths and deflect from their own weaknesses; those are rules #1 and #2 in the Republican playbook.

Comment #40: keshmeshi  on  02/21  at  03:10 PM

I agree with percysowner, The repubs energized the youth vote with their crazy ass anti-woman stances.  I think they awoke the sleeping giant.  They made this election very personal to the youth of ‘murica.

They have younger generation of voting-aged people who are already seeing that the chances of their middle class future being the middle class past they grew up in are fading away—whether they marry or not, whether they have dual incomes or not. And part of “it’s the economy, stupid” is that this group is quite aware of is that one way in which to hopefully be able to hold on to that middle class status will be to control and plan their child-bearing.

Comment #41: hp  on  02/21  at  03:11 PM

he had the manuscript of his speech in his pocket when a would-be assailant shot him

Um, I’m pretty sure that if you shoot someone, you’re not a “would-be” assailant any more.

Comment #42: Sophist FCD  on  02/21  at  03:12 PM

Obamas a master at unscripted answers. He is a hellva speaker. I don’t believe the Rethugs think he’s stupid: I think they believe he’s “uppity” and mocking him is one way to put him in his place.
Also: the number of debates they’ve had, is that typical? How many did they have and what is the average?

Comment #43: pitbullgirl65  on  02/21  at  03:25 PM

Amanda has this way of occasionally articulating EXACTLY what I have been thinking, but in a much more polished and carefully reasoned fashion. This is one of those posts.

When I first heard the teleprompter stuff, I just thought it was weird. Hopefully without sounding like Joe Biden did during the primaries, Obama clearly is very articulate. Seriously, even by political standards. Obvious George W. Bush bumbled around, but so did Jerry Ford, Lyndon Johnson, and a whole bunch of other politicians. Without being partisan in any way, Obama is simply not the guy I think of when I think of a politician who needs a teleprompter.

But when I heard it over and over—yeah, it’s racist. It’s a way of thinking for conservatives who can’t bring themselves to believe that a black man could be up there saying and doing these things without a bunch of white speechwriters putting words into his mouth.

And yeah, it sure looks like they’ve been, as George W. would say, misunderestimating Obama for four years now. Heck, even in the 2008 campaign, although this wasn’t really the message pushed by McCain personally, clearly the conservative MOVEMENT thought all you needed to do was run on race, which is why they thought the Jeremiah Wright stuff was going to be so potent. Not that they wouldn’t be in trouble anyway this election cycle with the economy improving, but they’ve obviously been unable to see past their racism and see Obama as a formidable politician.

Comment #44: Dilan Esper  on  02/21  at  03:32 PM

I think a big factor is what Krugman calls the “fools or frauds” factor. Namely that due to all these various demands of the electorate, like not believing in climate change science, requires that any candidate be a fraud or a fool to get anywhere.

However, getting into myths about why Obama was elected, one of the major threads among Republicans is that the voters were just fooled because Palin never said “You can see Alaska from my house!” and thus it was a lying propaganda campaign engineered by Tina Fey and Lorne Michaels that gave Obama the victory. (Nevermind that what Palin actually said was worse.) So why didn’t they make sure to have candidates who weren’t ridiculous and wrote their own SNL sketch?

I think the best thing the Dems could do for 2016 is to pick a few youngish representatives and senators like Keith Ellison or Kristen Gilibrand (sp?), or perhaps even Elizabeth Warren, and have them present Democratic and Progressive talking points relentlessly on network and cable tv in the interim years to build name recognition for a campaign.

I do believe if she can win a senate seat next year, Elizabeth Warren has a good chance at becoming our first female president. Which would be awesome. I’m not so sure about Gillibrand, her pre-senate history will come up (I remember the huge pushback she faced from the LGBT community, she was a huge advocate afterwards and denied the centrist gay positions that earned her criticism) she’ll have to be able to defend why she was seen as a Blue Dog and how she’s pretty Progressive now.

Another part of it is Republican projection and simplemindedness.

“They made fun of OUR President for being stupid so we get to make fun of THEIR President for being stupid!  Teleprompters!  Hahahahah!”

Does anyone remember how Bush used to deliver his speeches in (something like) iambic pentameter? It used to drive me crazy how he’d deliver a speech until I read an article saying his speeches were written that way so he could deliver every line the same way and not have to worry about thinking about what he was saying.

Comment #45: pepperlad  on  02/21  at  03:52 PM

I don’t disagree with Amanda, but I also don’t discount another basic reason the clown car is driven by—as well as stuffed with—clowns:

So there is no one who can satisfy the base of the GOP—a cohort so drunk on ideology and resentment that they cheer electrocutions and boo a soldier—and be elected president of the United States. Period. The standard journalistic trope the past few months has been to say that the Republican establishment would step in at some point and not let things get too out of hand. But that’s mostly nonsense. This GOP establishment is barely less loopy than the base. If the base is driving the party into a ditch, the establishment is riding shotgun holding a shovel.

http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2012/02/qotd-if-base-is-driving-party-into.html

Comment #46: judybrowni  on  02/21  at  03:55 PM

“You can see Alaska from my house!”

I believe you mean she was accused of saying she could see Russia from her house.  I certainly hope she can see Alaska from her house.

Comment #47: keshmeshi  on  02/21  at  04:06 PM

I think you’re leaving out an essential element as to why the Republicans are so unprepared. They spent the better part of 2009 and 2010 believing in the Tea Party ascendance nonsense, and I think many of them fully expected that wave to carry them through 2012.  Compounding the mistake, they misread the the 2010 election results as affirmation, as opposed to frustration with the economy.
Hence, they spent all their energy attempting to appeal to that tiny demographic.  By late 2011, I think everyone was coming to realize that the Tea Party was deeply unpopular outside of the Republican base, but by the time this realization came, it was much too late.

This is exactly what I remarked to my bf the other day. Even Republicans who should know better started believing their own bullshit in 2010.

And IMHO the 2010 results were a combination of racist anger over Obama winning in 08, frustration over the economy, and the utter incompetence of the Dem establishment to counter bullshit right wing memes such as “Fannie and Freddie and loans to poor minorities caused the housing collapse” and “Obamacare is a socialist takeover of the health care system ZOMG DEATH PANELS!!1!” Dems seem to be pulling their heads out of their asses as the Republicans are pushing theirs further up theirs.

Comment #48: DonnaDiva  on  02/21  at  04:13 PM

#48:

One thing I would caution you is not to believe the BS of political consultants the media about the importance of messaging in elections. They have a vested interest in pretending that this stuff matters a lot more than it does.

2010 was just like EVERY mid-term first-term election where the economy was performing poorly. Every one. It wasn’t due to the tea party, it wasn’t due to racism, it wasn’t due to the Democrats’ incompetence.

Comment #49: Dilan Esper  on  02/21  at  04:17 PM

I think Seebach has a sliver of a point, which is that the long term future of the GOP is pointed more towards the glibertarians (that is, Koch-style ‘liberty for me but not for thee’) than the culture warriors.

As for Obama, he doesn’t quite have Bill Clinton’s knack of being able to folksify complicated topics—read Clinton’s recent Esquire interview to get a sense of how he does it. But you’re right about the doublethink that’s involved in the wingnut characterisation of Obama: he’s the condescending college professor who thinks he’s better than you and talks seminar-talk, and he’s the dumbass who needs a teleprompter to talk to his family. Does not compute.

Comment #50: pseudonymous in nc  on  02/21  at  04:50 PM

I think Seebach has a sliver of a point, which is that the long term future of the GOP is pointed more towards the glibertarians (that is, Koch-style ‘liberty for me but not for thee’) than the culture warriors.

Yes, this was my point. The reasons Paul is rejected by the GOP are not that he is racist or sexist or anti-environment. They love that. It’s that he’s anti-war, anti-drug war, in spite of the fact that he’s only those things because he probably believes in a UN-run Jewish banking conspiracy.

Those elements have legs with younger voters. To survive, the GOP will need to become more glibertarian as the old racists die off. But they’re currently working crossways. They should be beginning the glibertarian shift now, before the pro-gay marriage, pro-pot, anti-war youth turn against them for good.

If the GOP refuses to evolve and dies a horrible death, I won’t exactly be crying, though.

Comment #51: Seebach  on  02/21  at  04:58 PM

Dems seem to be pulling their heads out of their asses as the Republicans are pushing theirs further up theirs.
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If the repubs put their heads any further up their asses, they’ll wind up coming of a black hole.

Comment #52: DontFearTheReaper  on  02/21  at  05:22 PM

The reasons Paul is rejected by the GOP are not that he is racist or sexist or anti-environment.

you’re very confused if you think anyone claimed that. point is though that if you look at Paul’s record, he’s just as much the Christianist culture warrior as the rest of them, he just also wants to legalize pot and is an isolationist regressive instead of an imperialist one.

which has nothing to do with the question whether glibertarianism is the direction the Republicans should go if they want to remain viable, since I was specifically talking about you using Paul as an example.

Comment #53: jadehawk  on  02/21  at  05:33 PM

This would all make more sense if the GOP hadn’t already had access to Jon Huntsman, and rejected him for not being insane enough.

The White Knight fantasies smacked of learned helplessness to me.  Conservatives are collectively trying to pretend that they aren’t insane, awful people who are driven by hatred for the ideals and citizens of the United States of America.  But . . . they are.  Conservatism is closer to a mental illness than a philosophy.  So of course the people chosen to represent it are damaged.

Comment #54: Punditus Maximus  on  02/21  at  05:39 PM

I don’t know how fast old people die, but they’ve been dying for three years now. A cohort of young folks of quite different racial mix have passed or approach 18. These people are mostly pro gay rights, race is less relevant to them and they came of age when Obama was just, you know, the president.

The Republicans are fighting a losing battle. The cold logic of demographics assures this will not work.

And I agree with other comments here that the length of the campaign has made them weary, which is why fantasies of a brokered convention and a White Knight (of the KKK?) are so appealing to them.

Comment #55: Bacopa  on  02/21  at  06:51 PM

The result is that they initially believed any white dude in a suit could beat Obama, and that racism gave them an excellent tailwind in this race.

As you say, they believed it, and they didn’t believe it. They didn’t make the effort to pick the best candidates possible because to do so to prepare for an election fight with a black man would have been humiliating.

Comment #56: Plantsmantx  on  02/21  at  07:20 PM

@Plantsmantx: I don’t see any Republicans who are particularly superior to the ones who ran.  The only one who’s possibly on that list is Mitch Daniels, and he knows better than Cain that if you have enormous closet skeletons, stay down at Governor.

Comment #57: Punditus Maximus  on  02/21  at  09:16 PM

I kind of think that so many Republicans got caught up in the birther nonsense or other accusations of Obama being wrongly elected that they never looked forward.  Most of the mainstream Repubs don’t buy into the birth certificate nonsense, but it still set the tone of conversation and many of them focused on things like alleged voter fraud or other issues.  They spent so much effort hoping that the 2008 election would somehow get a re-do that they just plain forgot about the 2012 election.  On a rational level I don’t think they were actually expecting to have a Republican (or at least a white Democrat) in the office yet, but I think they did get caught up in the fantasy a little bit.

Comment #58: bananacat  on  02/21  at  10:48 PM

The teleprompter business reminds me of this bit from Umberto Eco’s “14 Ways of Looking at a Blackshirt”:

8. The followers must feel humiliated by the ostentatious wealth and force of their enemies.

... by a continuous shifting of rhetorical focus, the enemies are at the same time too strong and too weak. Fascist governments are condemned to lose wars because they are constitutionally incapable of objectively evaluating the force of the enemy.

At the same time that Obama is the antichrist, a dictator who will subject America to the terrible Agenda 21 promulgated by the United Nations, he’s just another dumb darkie who’ll be humiliated by a genuinely smart Republican. Each part of this is felt to be true on an emotional level, even though the conjunction is obviously ridiculous.

Comment #59: bad Jim  on  02/22  at  01:56 AM

Has anybody found reports of loyal Republicans standing outside Jeb’s window with a boom box over their heads playing whatever the wingnut equivalent of Peter Gabriel’s “In your eyes” is?

Comment #60: Dan2108  on  02/22  at  01:59 AM

Due to rioting in the streets and the eventual election of Richard Nixon, our country soured quickly on brokered conventions

Actually, neither the Democratic nor Republican convention was brokered in 1968.  Both Humphrey and Nixon won handily on the first ballot.

Comment #61: Ben Alpers  on  02/22  at  03:30 AM

To survive, the GOP will need to become more glibertarian as the old racists die off.

Not necessarily disagreeing, but don’t underestimate the racism (and sexism) of the younger glibertarian crowd either.

It’s true that it may be somewhat different in character than the old school white hoods kind of racism, but various racist arguments and genetics/gender-is-destiny type assumptions are important building blocks in the whole fragile glibertarian edifice.

Comment #62: jack lecou  on  02/22  at  10:37 AM

On the Denocratic side, it was Sirhan Sirhan who “brokered” the convention.

Kennedy was the upstart who dared take on a then sitting president on March 16, 1968.  When Johnson declined to run own the last day of March, 1968 (after the primaries had already started, and too late to give Humphrey a good start) it threw the Democratic race into a tailspin.  Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated soon after this, giving the country another shock.  The Tet Offensive in Vietnam had also shaken American’s belief that North Vietnam’s defeat was inevitable.

Kennedy had just wrapped up the nomination in California when he was assassinated.  So Humphrey, the only other choice, was selected.  But it was a choice made of necessity, and Nixon and his Southern Strategy triumphed over the severely damaged Democrats.  The riots during the ‘68 Democratic Convention in Chicago were the icing on a very shitty cake.

There is pretty much a straight line from Goldwater’s crushing defeat in ‘64 to Nixon’s victories in ‘68 and ‘72, to Reagan’s win in ‘80, straight through to the Republican clown car of 2011/2012.  The message all along has been that you can’t be too conservative.  Possibly the Republicans have finally found the bottom of that particular barrel, although I wouldn’t stake my life on it…

Comment #63: MikeEss  on  02/22  at  10:55 AM

Kennedy had just wrapped up the nomination in California when he was assassinated.

The rest of your post is fine, but this is not correct. Nobody had a majority of delegates (RFK, who came in late, wasn’t even close), there was plenty of institutional (what we would now call “superdelegate”) support for Humphrey, and there was almost certainly going to be some sort of convention fight had RFK lived (although it might have been mostly sorted out before the actual convention in Chicago started).

RFK may have ended up the nominee, but Humphrey may have as well.

Comment #64: Dilan Esper  on  02/22  at  02:52 PM

Schweitzer, him I like.  I didn’t realize MT had term limits on Govs.  Is that a new thing?  (I don’t remember it from my Pac NW history, but that was in79-80 and in WA.)

Comment #65: helen w. h.  on  02/22  at  04:37 PM

I want to raise one of the points Amanda raised, because it really scares me - what we’ve seen is candidate after candidate essentially arriving on the media scene and shooting to the top - Perry, Cain, Gingrich, Santorum, and then, when people actually get a chance to look at them, they careen out of control and disappear - what the hell were people thinking in terms of Gingrich being some sort of fresh new face?

What scares me is the possibility that, if the current Klown Kar Kandidates tank sufficiently, they’ll be able to pull a new White Knight out of thin air and combine the desperation of the fear of losing with the unvetted surge of optimism and ride him right into the White House before anyone realizes just what they’ve bought.

Look at the last go-round. It’s hard to imagine a worse political candidate than Sarah Palin, but not only did she sweep the party, but for all intents and purposes, they ran her for President as far as anyone could tell. She’s unelectable at this point, but I’m not sure what prevents someone else from being sufficiently charismatic to dodge press conferences and debates long enough to actually be elected.

Add in the Diebold effect, and I’m genuinely afraid it could happen, if the Republican Convention melts down sufficiently, or worse, the unelectable but popular current candidates link arms to endorse the new Savior.

Comment #66: Lymis  on  02/22  at  04:56 PM

Dilan Esper @64:  This is basically correct. It’s important to remember that most states in 1968 had neither primaries nor caucuses (only about a dozen states did).  It was still perfectly normal for a candidate like Humphrey to seek the nomination while deciding not to compete in the primaries and caucuses.

Various favorite-son surrogates ran in Humphrey’s stead in the primaries and caucuses (e.g. George Smathers who won Florida), but Humphrey’s main strategy was appealing to party leaders in non-primary and caucus states to get their delegations on board.  I see the similarity to superdelegates, but it’s really wrong to use that name to refer to delegates from these states. Superdelegates are in addition to state apportioned delegates; these people were simply delegates from non-primary or caucus states.

As a result of these efforts, Humphrey actually had a plurality of delegates before RFK was assassinated (even counting the delegates RFK won in California).  It’s possible RFK could have still won the nomination, but odds were still pretty good that Humphrey would have beaten him.

Comment #67: Ben Alpers  on  02/22  at  06:46 PM

Jayn Newell @12:

Wait, seriously?  They’re pulling that shit after GWB? Dudes, your last candidate in office made Cretien look eloquent.

Whenever any Republican pulls the “teleprompter” line out, I remember that the only time Sarah Palin ever pronounced “nuclear” correctly was at the Republican National Convention—and the only reason she did pronounce it correctly was because her teleprompter rendered it as “new-clear”.

Comment #68: Cactus Wren  on  02/23  at  06:33 AM

he voters were just fooled because Palin never said “You can see (Russia) from my house!” and thus it was a lying propaganda campaign engineered by Tina Fey and Lorne Michaels that gave Obama the victory. (Nevermind that what Palin actually said was worse.)

Quote corrected.

What people also tend to overlook, when they remind you that Palin never said that quote, is that people believed Palin said that quote because it sounds exactly some some of the stupid shit Palin actually said. About half of the things Tina Fey as Palin said in those sketches was unaltered, direct quotes…which still caused people to laugh.

Comment #69: KeithM  on  02/23  at  02:34 PM

@bananacat #58:

Most of the mainstream Repubs don’t buy into the birth certificate nonsense…

If by “mainstream Repubs” you mean those who say they expect to vote in primaries, actually no. A bare majority are birthers.

51 percent of those likely to vote in a GOP primary in the next election cycle adhere to the conspiracy theory suggesting the president was born outside the United States…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/15/birther-poll_n_823666.html

Yes, I realize how crazy this is.

 

Comment #70: catfood  on  02/23  at  05:47 PM

The field is weak because top-name Republicans thought Obama too formidable.

Sometime in early 2011, Huckabee, Thune, and Bush III said as much…resulting in Bill Kristol going apeshit.

The reasons?

Sitting Presidents are at an advantage. You can’t define them. Ergo, they are non-swiftboatable.

No swing voter is going to give 2-shits about Obama’s Birth Certificate. If it didn’t work for Clinton or McCain it isn’t going to work 4 years later…when the man in question all but strangled Osama Bin Laden to death with his bare hands.

The smart $$ knew the racial barrier had been broken.  This time there are no worries or hopes of a Bradley effect. On top of that, reports had Obama raising like a gazillion dollars.

But what about the economy, stupid? After all, it was in the shitter in early-2011. Consider this:

When only the Scud Stud could match George I’s approval ratings, Al Gore decided not to run. At the time, he was the favorite son: southerner, segregationist pedigree, good-looking, DLC baby, hawkish, and New Dealerish. A populist wet-dream.

Throw in Patricia Harriman and you had yourself a winner. But he misread the business cycle. A peak now makes a trough more likely come Election Day, not less. He ends up taking a backseat to his poorer cousin. 8 years later, Jews in Palm Beach suddenly take a liking to Pat Buchanan and the rest is history.

So come early 2011, big-time Repubs weren’t going to make the same mistake. Employment may have been in the tank but she’s a laggard. No one was betting against her since she still had to catch up to the recovery.

Obama was poised to pull a Reagan. Ergo, Huckabee, Thune, Bush III, Daniels, Pence, Rubio, Christie, Ryan, and Jindal decided to play it safe.

But then we hit a series of unexpected bumps: oil prices due to Arab uprisings + Repubs playing Russian Roulette with the National Debt + Euro Sovereign Debt Crises = delayed recovery. Obama was suddenly looking at a close call and if a double-dip hit he would be goner. Liberals listening to Krugman explain how there really was no stimulus at all were shitting themselves.

So now every conservative who had more experience than selling pizza realized they could’ve been the girl with the most cake.

But Keynes’ famous quote is actually a testament to this belief: In the long run the market works. So here we are, heading toward recovery while terrified Republicans look for a savior. They might as well look at Miss Ohio. She wants to do right but not right now.

Comment #71: Manju  on  02/25  at  05:26 AM

What.

Now then, if the GOP really thought Obama was just the affirmative action president, why didn’t they rally around Cain, or Alan Keyes, or Colin Powell, or two-fer Condoleeza Rice?

Comment #72: Hershele Ostropoler  on  02/28  at  12:14 PM
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