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Why contraception is scary, and why it’s not

Sara Robinson has a really great summary of how effective contraception Changed Everything, and why---though it's utterly baffling to most of us---patriarchal dudes long for a time when there wasn't any such thing and every act of heterosexual intercourse had an undercurrent of doom for women. It's not because Doom Sex turns them on, though I think for some (Ross Douthat and Rick Santorum come to mind), they can't get it up without that feeling that this particular act could disrupt their partner's life at a moment's notice. It's because they long for a time when half the human race was most assuredly underfoot, and men could count on being the leaders of women, simply because they were born male. It's like the divine right of kings, but for every man. 

Of course, most men like having sex more than getting crowned the petty king of a teeny country, which is why I want to quibble a teeny bit with this argument.

And, frankly, while some men have embraced this new order— perhaps seeing in it the potential to open up some interesting new choices for them, too — a global majority is increasingly confused, enraged, and terrified by it. They never wanted to be at this table in the first place, and they’re furious to even find themselves being forced to have this conversation at all.

I don't think a global majority of men oppose contraception. A plurality of men in this country support it being free to all women, regardless of who they work for. The rest are apparently too stupid to realize that they benefit from contraception, too, which immediately makes me think that women en masse should start demanding that men pay half the cost and do the work of picking up of birth control pills, until they get it into their heads that this benefits them just as much. (I'm assuming that gay men are probably more, not less, likely to see that women's rights to contraception and their rights to health care are firmly entwined.) Most men have a complex relationship to patriarchy. They do enjoy the benefits, but most of them pay a price, too, and having crappy sex because you're worried about having another mouth to feed is just one part of that. That effective contraception tends to take off wherever it's available suggests that in this way, men are just fine with the new order. That said, her general point is absolutely right; feminism does mean diminishing male control and the majority of men reject that. But I do think they have reason to believe that they both get to benefit from contraception without having to embrace its larger implications. 

Sara mentions that we're three---actually four---generations into the pill now. (The first users were my grandmother's generation, then my mother's, then mine, and now the Millenials.) That's going to make it a hard entitlement to attack, since as far as most living Americans are concerned, this is how it's always been. But I think it's even more interesting than that. First of all, you can tack a couple more generations onto that, since birth control became socially normalized in the late 20s and 30s, and was considered pretty standard by the 50s. Before that, there were multiple attempts throughout history to find ways to have sex without pregnancy, usually crude diaphragms and condoms. What the pill did was bridge the gap between the already-existing expectation of being able to have sex without conceiving and many millenia of people wanting to have sex spontaneously. That it's female-controlled is what offends the patriarchs so much about it, but so was the diaphragm. I really do think spontaneity is what sells the pill. 

But just to be a little wonky, I think what really makes a technology world-changing is that it neatly fills a desire that we always had, even if we didn't know it, to the point where we seamlessly drift into using it without much confusion or complaint. The pill was adopted faster and more readily than the cell phone, even though the pay phone indicates that the urge to be able to make a phone call on the run was already existing and already acknowledged. It took off faster than the computer, faster than internet, and faster than the television. Demand for it was so high that even in early stage testing, researchers were overrun with volunteers. The only thing I've seen take off as fast and make so much sense to people as soon as it was available was text messaging, which spoke to the deep desire to be able to share information with someone while minimizing the disruption that the phone has always represented. If you tried to take away text messaging, people riot in the streets. Something to think about. 

All that said, I think Sara is right here:

But if we’re wise, we’ll keep our eyes on the long game, because you can bet that those angry men are, too. The hard fact is this: We’re only 50 years into a revolution that may ultimately take two or three centuries to completely work its way through the world’s many cultures and religions. (To put this in perspective: it was 300 years from Gutenberg’s printing press to the scientific and intellectual re-alignments of the Enlightenment, and to the French and American revolutions that that liberating technology ultimately made possible. These things can take a loooong time to work all the way out.) Our grandchildren and great-grandchildren will, in all likelihood, still be working out the details of these new gender agreements a century from now; and it may be a century after that before their grandkids can truly start taking any of this for granted.

I honestly think half the reason that contraception isn't controversial is because most people aren't big thinkers, and therefore don't really see contraception as the straw that broke the patriarchy's back. Part of that is that abortion plays that role, since rejecting pregnancy after a man's seed has planted is a much more resonant symbol of rejecting male power and authority. The interesting thing about this is that many of the men who are up in arms about this are big, long-term thinkers. They're not wrong to see that contraception is far more the problem even than abortion (which has actually been more consistent and widespread in human history than contraception). Where I think they're going to fail is convincing others of it. 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:41 PM • (43) Comments

Sara Robinson’s article was fascinating, but I think overlooked the fact that oral contraception existed throughout history and in a variety of cultures. http://books.google.com/books?id=tSrGTMtBv50C&pg=PA335#v=onepage&q&f;=false Most of these cultures were still horrifyingly patriarchal. So even though there’s little evidence of the relative effectiveness of these forms of oral contraception, I think it’s more likely that this technology is one of many necessary, but not sufficient, conditions for gender liberation. It’s possible that some of the other important factors for the eventual success of first and second wave feminism was the transition to economies that were capital rather than labor intensive (so there was less need for those with economic dominance to insist on forced birth and constant population increase). Also, medical science reduced infant and child mortality dramatically during the the late 19th to mid-twentieth century. There are probably a lot of other factors, too.

Also, I really have to nitpick at the myth that the printing press was invented by Gutenberg. The first block print was made almost a 1000 years earlier during the Tang Dynasty, and movable type was invented by Bi Sheng in the year 1040. Overall, technology is just one component of social change, and inventions don’t have inevitable consequences, because nothing in history leads to inevitable consequences.

Comment #1: curiouscliche  on  02/20  at  08:19 PM

The rest are apparently too stupid to realize that they benefit from contraception, too, which immediately makes me think that women en masse should start demanding that men pay half the cost and do the work of picking up of birth control pills, until they get it into their heads that this benefits them just as much.

This is one reason why, as I mentioned on a previous post, I use condoms.  And I’m happy my insurance dollars will help provide the birth control of choice to people who want it.

Comment #2: James  on  02/20  at  08:20 PM

Contraception isn’t scary.  It’s a blessing for almost everyone.

That America (more accurately some Americans), in the year 2012, can be cowed by evil morons like Santorum into believing contraception is scary?  Now that’s fucking scary…

Comment #3: MikeEss  on  02/20  at  11:19 PM

The first block print was made almost a 1000 years earlier during the Tang Dynasty, and movable type was invented by Bi Sheng in the year 1040.

Curiouscliche, you’re right, but the thing is, movable type never took off in China, probably because the thousands of Chinese characters made it impractical.

The impact of the printing press in Europe was greater because it coincided with the age of European exploration and the Protestant Reformation.

Comment #4: Tommykey  on  02/21  at  01:27 AM

You’re right about why movable type didn’t catch on, but I disagree that block printing didn’t have a huge impact on Chinese society. For one thing, it increased the number of applicants for civil service examinations. It also led to the introduction of paper currencies several centuries before they were first successfully used in Europe. It was also probably responsible for the success of Buddhist missionaries. To name just a few effects.

Comment #5: curiouscliche  on  02/21  at  01:41 AM

i’ve refused to date guys who wouldn’t pay for half the contraception. my current [almost 8 years] has ALWAYS paid half, and there was times when he was the one who went to the pharmacy to get my NeuvaRing [back before the ImPlanon was actually available].

i’d be sad [if i weren’t determined to stay with my current b/f] that, with my tubes tied [and everyone knows - i essentially threw a party for it], i no longer have a sure-fire way to weed out the worst assholes. not being willing to pay for BC is a trait in direct correlation to other aspects of assholedom.

Comment #6: denelian  on  02/21  at  07:35 AM

hit “Blaspheme” too soon!

because what curiouscliche is saying about oral BC being available before this last century is *very* true. i don’t remember the name of the plant/herb [related to carrots] but it was the imprint on one of the most common coins in the Roman Empire - because it was in WIDE use by Roman Matrons [and couldn’t be cultivated, only grew wild on one island, so was worth it’s weight in gold, almost literally]. it’s estimated, from what records remain before the herb went extint thru over-picking, that it had a success rate of over 90%. that’s on par with modern diaphrams and sponges, better than “typical use” condoms, and not much below hormonal BC.

and yet Roman Matrons were still property…

Comment #7: denelian  on  02/21  at  07:40 AM

danielian is referring to Silphium, which was only able to be cultivated on a narrow stretch of the Libyan coast.

Comment #8: Tyro  on  02/21  at  08:15 AM

Ooh, careful denelian.  The last time Silphium was brought up there was a HUMUNGOUS dust-up in the comments.

Comment #9: Katherine  on  02/21  at  08:27 AM

(I’m assuming that gay men are probably more, not less, likely to see that women’s rights to contraception and their rights to health care are firmly entwined.)

I honestly think this is a bad assumption.  It certainly does not reflect my experience of most men, both gay and cis, being oblivious to women’s health needs re BC and gay men in particular not seeing it as their concern at an equal or greater rate than cis men as it does not directly effect them and so they can afford to not ever be bothered by it directly in their personal lives (indirectly as how effects their mothers, sisters, daughters, friends, yes; them and their life or current sexual partner, no).  I believe this is more being oblivious in the case of gay men than cis, though.

Comment #10: helen w. h.  on  02/21  at  08:43 AM

One thing I don’t see being mentioned is that birth control became acceptable just about the time the childhood death rate plummeted.  I think methods had existed before, but married couples became desperate to use them once children could be expected to survive into adulthood.  Normalized birth control is probably as much an outcome of running water and indoor plumbing as women’s growing literacy and participation in the salaried workforce.

What world do they want to bring back?

Comment #11: East of Weston  on  02/21  at  09:00 AM

In point of fact, lower reproduction and greater survival is a feedback.  Even without water treatment on a sociatal level, a controlled number of children or spacing tends to lead to higher survival rates (hence traditions that space children in diverse cultures worldwide, most based on limiting sexual contact).
http://www.jstor.org/pss/2737284
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7825026
http://www.usaid.gov/our_work/global_health/pop/publications/docs/birthspacing.pdf

Comment #12: helen w. h.  on  02/21  at  09:20 AM

One thing I don’t see being mentioned is that birth control became acceptable just about the time the childhood death rate plummeted.  I think methods had existed before, but married couples became desperate to use them once children could be expected to survive into adulthood. 

Yes. Also, conception and carrying a child fully to term became easier once health standards improved. Plus, the movement of people from farms to the cities meant that lots of children were no longer a source of free farm labor for the family and were much harder to take care of.

The idea of a large family being the “norm” is really only something that appeared in the brief period of time where there was both decent standards of public health and lack of easily available birth control. The idea that a large family is desirable is something only really valid where there is enough space and land to sustain them and find a role for them.

My grandmother, who grew up in a small foreign village, was one of 3, only 2 of whom lived to child-bearing age, and the only one who was able to have children. And my grandmother herself had (just) 3 children. So it’s not like the pre-birth control years were some era of super-fecundity before the rest of modern medicine asserted itself.

Comment #13: Tyro  on  02/21  at  09:25 AM

The problem I’ve been having with people in these sorts of discussions (and yes, why I brought up Silphium that turned into some bizarre argument about how much you could determine woo out of an extinct plant) is trying to dissect the concept of the “biological urge” to have children.

Very few species have generative sex “for fun.” I think bonobos do. Most animals have sex as a physiological reaction to being in heat. This means that animals have sex fairly infrequently, and failure to have sex during a period of fertility results in severe discomfort for the animal (cats in heat are not fun to be around).

Humans, on the other hand, do not go through heat cycles. The urge to have children is not biological, it’s emotional, whereas the urge to have sex is biological. Failure to act when we ovulate does not result in physical discomfort, we may go through a peak of arousal during that time, but we don’t run around the house howling until someone stick as a cock in us. We have an incredibly long period of fertility, but we are not the sort of species to just spew out young and leave them to their own devices to sink or swim as it were. We have small families and the parents devote huge resources to the care of the children, even after they are “up and around on their own” and could arguably care for themselves. Even the Duggers can’t hold a candle to an un-neutered cat in terms of young generated over a lifetime.

Because of these things, and because we find sex pleasurable, humans have *always* sought ways to decouple sex from procreation, which, yes, is why I brought up Silphium last time. The urge to guarantee that bunking up with someone in order to get a momentary feeling of pleasure out of the transaction won’t result in 18+ years of having your resources docked by offspring is nothing new. What’s new is that we’ve found a long-term, effective means of mitigating that risk.

Attempting to create an end-run around these biological truths is a losing battle. Even if people pay lipservice to the sanctity of unprotected, monogamous sex, they would quickly change their tune in a fast second if having that extra child would result in too few resources to go around their existing family and their existing offspring beginning to suffer. Generally, I feel like declaring you’re just going to keep having babies is almost a sign of conspicuous wealth more than it is some moral statement about whether or not God Wants More Babies.

Comment #14: Mighty Ponygirl  on  02/21  at  10:20 AM

It’s because they long for a time when half the human race was most assuredly underfoot, and men could count on being the leaders of women, simply because they were born male. It’s like the divine right of kings, but for every man.

See also poor whites who were happy to support slavery and Jim Crowe systems they didn’t benefit from and were likely hurt economically by. A lot of people feel happy to be assured they’re above somebody. I remember a childhood friend assuring me his family was lower-middle class. They weren’t “poor.” This was something I could tell wasn’t true at 9 years old, but I could also tell it wasn’t something I should argue about.

Comment #15: witless chum  on  02/21  at  10:31 AM

Two things:

1) It seems that the anti-abortion side thinks the choices are abortion or utopia, when humans have been limiting their population since there was a population to limit, and in ways we would find much less agreeable.  I can’t find the exact quote, but these conversations always bring to mind an early Christian father talking about how the sewers of Rome echoed with the cries of babies left there to die. 

2) I think this new storm has a lot to do with the increasing availability of medical abortion over surgical abortion.  If someone has to go to a clinic, they have to make themselves available to be shamed and yelled at, they are a physical representation of “the problem” and they have no other options, it’s run the gauntlet or give birth.  But if someone is having an abortion at their house, wrapped up in their pajamas, watching a Dr. Who marathon, the anti-abortion side is robbed of their opportunity to feel vindicated and superior.  Any lady could be having an abortion *right now* and there isn’t any way to tell!  So, they have moved the point of interaction back, to the pharmacist’s window and doctor’s office, and while they’re there, contraception seemed like it was close enough to address as well.

Comment #16: hideandseek  on  02/21  at  10:44 AM

I think opponents of contraception fall into multiple camps.  Amanda is right to bring up—and hammer—those for whom it is first and foremost another patriarchal crusade.

The people I live with, though, are in the camp Mighty Ponygirl alludes to: those for whom sex for fun is Wrong.  They think the urge MP refers to should be suppressed.  It’s not biology; it’s a choice.  Adolescence is a time of crazy hormones, yes, but the goal is to get through it without succumbing to the temptation, and eventually you’ll grow out of it.

Comment #17: ScottInOH  on  02/21  at  11:14 AM

A lot of the current (last 30-40 years) freak-out about abortion and contraception is also about the failure of racism and the Cold War as galvanizing issues for the electorate. Sure, the pockets of opposition were there beforehand, but I think part of it was also the historical contingency of certain people needing a hate machine to keep the power flowing, and running out of other groups to hate. I remember when I was a kid the same kind of conservatives who now hate abortion were all about the lower classes (especially those “not from here”) outbreeding good solid white people. And family planning clinics in poor neighborhoods were a great idea.

Until they started giving those poor women ideas above their station.

Comment #18: paul  on  02/21  at  11:22 AM

“The rest are apparently too stupid to realize that they benefit from contraception, too,”

While there may be some of us guys who don’t realize this, I’d say that many men who are opposed to contraception aren’t so out of ignorance, but rather out of callousness.  There are plenty of guys out there (definitely not a majority, but still many) who simply don’t see pregnancy as having anything to do with them.  In their view, it’s the woman who is “stuck” with it, the option to abandon the woman and their child is always there,  and as such pregnancy isn’t their problem, so methods designed to prevent or mitigate it are entirely pointless, or, in the case of condoms, even detrimental.  It’s despicable, it’s deplorable, it’s certainly not the sort of mindset we “Enlightened” moderns flatter ourselves with holding, but it is a mindset that not only exists, but is frighteningly common.

Comment #19: Heron  on  02/21  at  11:23 AM

Tangent: Amanda is currently on WBUR’s On Point. She is an actual liberal, and on On Point!

What a pleasant surprise to not have some too-polite public radio host being the one person charged with the task of keeping a right-wing hack (Americans for Life, this time) from continually spewing facts(sic).

Comment #20: ThresherK  on  02/21  at  11:40 AM

There are some species of animals, I believe cuttlefish are one, where the female can mate with a male and then store the male’s sperm before making the decision as to whether or not it wants to become pregnant with that particular male’s sperm.  Maybe if humans really were intelligently designed, human females would have the same capability.

Comment #21: Tommykey  on  02/21  at  01:57 PM

I don’t think a global majority of men oppose contraception.

Most of the rest of the world is extremely conservative.  It wouldn’t surprise me if a global majority of women oppose contraception.

Comment #22: keshmeshi  on  02/21  at  03:13 PM

The argument that birth control—of some sort—was available pre-20th century, and so hormonal wasn’t a major change maker doesn’t hold water.

I’m old enough to have lived through the change from pre- to post- hormonal birth control, and it was truly revolutionary how giving women that much more freedom from pregnancy, effected not only women of childbearing age, but wide-ranging aspects of life in the U.S., including how women were viewed, child rearing, sexual mores,  employment and politics.

For one thing, women were able to, and did, invade nearly every profession, as actors, not just support staff, in the kind of numbers unheard of before.

If you don’t think that changed the world, you weren’t there, then.

Comment #23: judybrowni  on  02/21  at  03:30 PM

2) I think this new storm has a lot to do with the increasing availability of medical abortion over surgical abortion.  If someone has to go to a clinic, they have to make themselves available to be shamed and yelled at, they are a physical representation of “the problem” and they have no other options, it’s run the gauntlet or give birth.  But if someone is having an abortion at their house, wrapped up in their pajamas, watching a Dr. Who marathon, the anti-abortion side is robbed of their opportunity to feel vindicated and superior.  Any lady could be having an abortion *right now* and there isn’t any way to tell!  So, they have moved the point of interaction back, to the pharmacist’s window and doctor’s office, and while they’re there, contraception seemed like it was close enough to address as well.

I honestly think wingnuts hate contraception even more than they hate abortion. At least with abortion the slut is paying for it somewhat by going through a medical ordeal (and ideally at a clinic where people can yell at and shame her, as you point out) whereas with birth control the slut gets to fuck with no consequences whatsoever!

Comment #24: DonnaDiva  on  02/21  at  03:42 PM

I waded in to this argument inadvertantly on Facebook; a few of the people who follow my husband and our mutual friends are hurf-durf types who couldn’t resist the “keep yer legs closed and don’t make me pay for your sexxin with my taxes, sluts!” response to posts about birth control.

And when I pointed out that pills are cheaper than babies, sex is part of life and I’ll have it if I want to, and the Pope isn’t the law of the land so who does he think he is telling me when to have sex or kids, it was like they had *never thought of these things before.* They had no comebacks at all.

Patriarchal privilege: the great stupidizer.

Comment #25: emjaybee  on  02/21  at  03:58 PM

the female can mate with a male and then store the male’s sperm before making the decision as to whether or not it wants to become pregnant with that particular male’s sperm.  Maybe if humans really were intelligently designed, human females would have the same capability.

That’s the classic MRA nightmare of the sperm-stealing bitch. No loving god would give women that much power over biologically unfit males. Oh the humanity.

Comment #26: junk science  on  02/21  at  04:07 PM

It wouldn’t surprise me if a global majority of women oppose contraception.

It would surprise me if a large percentage of women and men who claim to oppose contraception don’t use it themselves. It’s fine in the hands of decent, responsible people like themselves; the problem is when the riffraff get ahold of it.

Comment #27: junk science  on  02/21  at  04:09 PM

It would surprise me if a large percentage of women and men who claim to oppose contraception don’t use it themselves.

I’ll just note that families of 5 (Mitt) and 7 (Rick) seem big now, but they wouldn’t seem all that large in my grandparents day.  My dad’s aunt had 10 kids and one of his cousins came from a family of 22.  Large, yes, but not guiness book of records large.  It’s possible that of the candidates and their wives use hormonal contraception but I’m pretty sure they are using some form of family planning, even if its natural family planning.  Once you admit that planning your family in some way is a good idea, the rest is just quibbling over specifics.

Comment #28: carovee  on  02/21  at  04:29 PM

By the way, the proposed Virginia law that would mandate vaginal ultrasound probe pre abortions, also required the same for pharmaceutical abortions.

The resulting furor, including yesterdays’ silent protest of over a thousand women staring the representatives in the face who had to walk through that gauntlet to get to the statehouse has had a salutary effect.

Virginia House puts off ultrasound bill again today
http://maddowblog.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/02/21/10468895-virginia-house-puts-off-ultrasound-bill-again

Comment #29: judybrowni  on  02/21  at  04:41 PM

Some fruit bats have oral sex!

This random factoid brought to you by A Liberal Arts Education/ the ignoble prizes.

In terms of conservatives fearing women having biological power: there was a contemporary of Darwin who rejected sexual selection as any part of evolution because he didn’t think the female of any species could have power or choice. I don’t remember who he was, but frankly, if you manage to stand out for being sexist and backwards IN THE VICTORIAN ERA, I don’t really care.

Comment #30: gigglesmcfee  on  02/21  at  07:22 PM

Keshmeshi,

It wouldn’t surprise me if a global majority of women oppose contraception.

This isn’t borne out by the evidence. Pretty much everywhere that women get access to birth control, it takes off like wildfire. There are no cultures, worldwide, where women, once they were given the freedom to get hold of birth control, didn’t want it.

Yes, I’m sure there are a lot of post-menopausal women who would cluck and express dismay over these slutty slutty young girls who get married and then they want to be able to have sex with their husbands without having 10 kids! But since extremely conservative cultures give women much less control over how much sex they can have (or not have), and since extremely conservative cultures aren’t well known for good female health care in general… women aren’t stupid. Have lots and lots of babies = die younger than you need to… and the option “just close your legs” isn’t even there, because you’re married and marital rape is legal. Too many mouths to feed = you have to kill some or sell them to slavers to be able to feed the others. Women in the most dire straits imaginable know this.

So I’m pretty sure this isn’t true. There are Catholic countries where they whine and fuss about it a lot… but since 98% of Catholic women in the US use some form of birth control, I don’t think the problem there is that the *women* disapprove of it.

Contraception is nothing short of *the* most important tool in the world for ensuring women’s safety, health and freedom. Sexual gatekeeping can never work, because quite aside from the fact that women like sex, men can commit rape… so if women don’t have the power to keep men from raping them, they get pregnant, which makes them more dependent on men and often physically weaker and creates a physiological burden, and then they end up having to take care of the child, an even greater burden that makes it much harder for them to achieve power. And the more that women are shut out of power, the more men have the freedom to rape them. Women *need* a means of preventing pregnancy that isn’t dependent on “don’t have sex” in order to achieve sufficient societal power that they can demand the right to have sex only when they want to.

Denelian,

Regarding Silphium… if the only people who could get hold of birth control were a small subset of rich women, who were dependent on men for their wealth because there weren’t enough rich women on birth control to be able to force a societal change, then there wouldn’t be a societal change. An herb that grows only in one region of the world, and was worth its weight in gold, could not be used by Average Jane Roman, and a small subset of rich women have *never* been able to change the world in favor of all women, largely because most of them don’t actually want to, but also because they don’t have the numbers. So the existence of an effective birth control drug 2000 years ago that was only ever used by the wealthy and was so eagerly sought out by those wealthy women that it was made extinct doesn’t actually prove anything about whether or not birth control for a majority of women in a society allows women to achieve liberation. I’m not doubting that the drug existed, but if it was really that valuable and rare (and if it was that rare, then it was that valuable), then it doesn’t really map to modern birth control, which is *affordable* to most women (or was, at least, when it was first introduced, before the insurance system was gutted and the attacks on women’s reproductive rights began.)

I agree with judybrowni and Amanda. Women had been fighting for their rights since Mary Wollenstonecraft wrote about women’s natural rights during the Enlightenment in the 1700’s. They made tiny, tiny advances, sometimes, which were sometimes rolled back. We achieved the vote, yet didn’t have the political or social capital to demand equal pay, equal rights, control over our own wallets instead of giving control to our husbands, equal ability to get an education, etc… until after hormonal birth control was introduced. I suspect that sometimes feminists forget, as we fight against the sexism and misogyny of today, how much *worse* it was to be a woman in the 1960’s or earlier. Was the timing really coincidental? We’re *half the population.* There isn’t any explanation for how patriarchy could come into existence in the first place, how half of a population can so universally oppress the other half with so little effective resistance over so many centuries, except to say that the inability to control pregnancy really does do that much damage to women.

Comment #31: Alara J Rogers  on  02/21  at  08:15 PM

It’s possible that of the candidates and their wives use hormonal contraception but I’m pretty sure they are using some form of family planning, even if its natural family planning.

I don’t remember if I’ve mentioned this on Pandagon, but I’m strongly inclined to believe that Rick Santorum’s wife uses hormonal birth control; if not now, then certainly at some point during their marriage.  Santorum’s statement about birth control being really cheap belies that.  Only someone who has really good insurance and who gets birth control through that insurance could ever possibly think that birth control is cheap.  I bet Santorum’s wife pays a $10 copay for her birth control, and that’s why he thinks forcing women to pay out of pocket is no big deal.

This isn’t borne out by the evidence. Pretty much everywhere that women get access to birth control, it takes off like wildfire. There are no cultures, worldwide, where women, once they were given the freedom to get hold of birth control, didn’t want it.

Being willing to use birth control doesn’t equal condoning it.  Conservative women are often willing to have abortions, which they conflate with MURDER, when it suits them.

Comment #32: keshmeshi  on  02/21  at  08:37 PM

“I don’t think a global majority of men oppose contraception.”

True. Come to think of it, most men would appreciate something like the “male pill” so that that they don’t have to worry about having another mouth to feed each time they have sex. It would probably reduce the inequalities in reproductive rights that most men feel is there.
Men would probably ask women to pay for it, though. Hypocrites.

Comment #33: Jacksam  on  02/21  at  08:50 PM

I think that most women and men worldwide be totally in favor of birth control, especially in poor areas which also tend to be Patriarchal and conservative.  Quite simply, they don’t have the luxury of being against birth control.  It’s one thing for a woman in a developed country to just forgo birth control or only use the rhythm method.  If she does get pregnant again, it’s not ideal but she and her family probably won’t die from it.  Most middle class women in the United States could eke out enough to at least feed the extra kid, and she would have access at least to a more sanitary birth location and antibiotics.  She would also know that if she really needed it, she could probably manage to get an abortion.  I’m not trivializing unplanned pregnancy and it would surely be a lifestyle change, but in the end the parents, new child, and previous children would probably manage to not die.

If you go to a third-world country, it’s a different story.  Even the most conservative woman would look at her hungry kids and realize it might be better to not have another one right now.  And except for the men with a fertility fetish, I think the fathers would be happier about not having a constant stream of new mouths to feed.  This really isn’t a conservative vs liberal issue; it’s largely about privilege.

Comment #34: bananacat  on  02/21  at  09:04 PM

thank you, Tyro, for remembering the name

and thank you MP for that comment - i do miss your comments when i’m not around smile


as for that specific herb vs. lots of women having SOME BC access:
that SPECIFIC herb was *the best* and was taken once a month [IIRC] and was not very dangerous - THOSE and few other bonuses were the reason it cost so much. there have been other forms - the most common form of BC in the Roman Empire was something that’s sort of a cross between a diaphram and a removable IUD [small piece of pine wrapped with cotton fluff or similar “fluffy” fabric, with pine sap or turpentine added before each use] and, in modern testing, is about 85% reliable. just, downside, the ingredients were potentially toxic - hence the rich women using the more expensive, MUCH less dangerous Silphium.

i mean, hell, in the Europe in the 17th century, women had access to abortificant herbs, and *used* them [the main deterent THERE, besides risk of death from the herb, was risk of death as a witch]

the problem wasn’t lack of BC, it was that most of the BC that was in *common* use either required a man being willing to *wait* while it was put in [all the various things used] or were abortificants that could be deadly.

i agree that SAFE BC was a big game changer, but i’d argue that the change in HOW it was perceived - i.e. as a good thing, and not “attacking” men in some vaguely-defined way that centured around men’s RIGHT to impregnante any woman they fucked, whether voluntarily or thru rape - that was THE REAL game-changer. that and an understanding of how pregnancy ACTUALLY worked, so that it was no longer thought to be JUST men’s “essence” involved in making babies.

*shrug* i grew up in a household that included an OB/Gyn nurse, my mother, who sure as hell didn’t approve of sex outside of marriage but disapproved of getting pregnant outside of marriage MORE, so that she *made* me [i wanted to, don’t get me wrong!] get a NorPlant when i was 15, and i know how lucky that makes me.

[then again, i really wish that people were naturally UNfertile, and that all participants had to take something to BE fertile. i’m weird, i know this]

Comment #35: denelian  on  02/22  at  02:25 AM

keshmeshi - I bet Santorum’s wife uses/has used BC and he doesn’t have a clue about it.  She probably mixes it in with the vitimins she dolls out to the kids and takes herself and perhaps pays cash so no one knows she is doing it, like most really, really conservative Catholic women I know do. If it showed up on the insurance info about pharma expenses, some of these assholes would ask what that was.  This requires a sympathetic family doctor or Ob/Gyn, but otherwise isn’t that hard, provided the woman has control over the household budget and the budget is big enough to hide $50/month.

Comment #36: helen w. h.  on  02/22  at  10:10 AM

I suspect that sometimes feminists forget, as we fight against the sexism and misogyny of today, how much *worse* it was to be a woman in the 1960’s or earlier.

I think there’s been an upsurge in the hate and mockery and open hostility from men in general whenever a woman makes any kind of feminist statement in public, or really any kind of statement at all that men don’t like. I have no doubt it’s always been this way and much worse, but I just wonder if it’s ever going to go away.

Comment #37: junk science  on  02/22  at  11:52 AM

I think there’s been an upsurge in the hate and mockery and open hostility from men in general whenever a woman makes any kind of feminist statement in public, or really any kind of statement at all or just exists in a visible or audible way

FTFY.

Comment #38: Well, what?  on  02/22  at  06:52 PM

I bet Santorum’s wife pays a $10 copay for her birth control, and that’s why he thinks forcing women to pay out of pocket is no big deal.

This requires a sympathetic family doctor or Ob/Gyn, but otherwise isn’t that hard, provided the woman has control over the household budget and the budget is big enough to hide $50/month.

This might be another reason why they think it’s ‘no big deal’. Having jumped up a rung or two on the socio-economic ladder as an adult, I’m occasionally stunned at what was normal my friends growing up. The most striking example was shortly after I started college when school was closed for a week. A number of my dormmates opted to take trips home.

To Ontario. From Nova Scotia. I lived in province and I was staying on campus.

It was really eye-opening to me just how different it is for people in different classes. These girls were booking flights halfway across the country on little more than a whim, while traveling the three hours via auto to get home hadn’t even occurred to me. Likewise, someone who is raising a half-dozen children and still has a family budget that can hide $50 a month probably has no idea what it’s like to not have that kind of money.

Comment #39: Jayn Newell  on  02/23  at  08:41 AM

Likewise, someone who is raising a half-dozen children and still has a family budget that can hide $50 a month probably has no idea what it’s like to not have that kind of money.

This is especially true of the man in the family if he is either oblivious to any effort required, doesn’t perform any of the effort himself and so under estimates it, or is wholy ignorant of BC use.  Both class and gender skew views of this, most definately.

Comment #40: helen w. h.  on  02/23  at  09:52 AM

What world do they want to bring back?

The one where infant mortality rates were through the roof and child labour was such a necessity (the traditional family farm depended on it) that there was an argument that women had to be kept in the role of baby-producer/mother in order to maintain the population and household economy.

Comment #41: KeithM  on  02/23  at  03:59 PM

If you go to a third-world country, it’s a different story.  Even the most conservative woman would look at her hungry kids and realize it might be better to not have another one right now.  And except for the men with a fertility fetish, I think the fathers would be happier about not having a constant stream of new mouths to feed.  This really isn’t a conservative vs liberal issue; it’s largely about privilege.
Comment #34: bananacat on 02/21 at 09:04 PM

In some third-world countries, the man isn’t the stereotypical breadwinner.  In fact, in many Third World countries, the women do most of the work and provide most of the sustenance. 

http://www.globalissues.org/article/166/womens-rights

The man is the head of the household but doesn’t necessarily contribute as much to its well-being as the woman.

One story about microloans I heard on the radio said that giving microloans to men too often ended up with the money going to gambling or cigarettes or drinking.  Women were typically much more responsible, putting the money into a modest but profitable business.  It’s because they’re the ones charged with making sure the children have enough to eat.  If they don’t provide food somehow they are the ones who see the children starve. 

Men often do have a fertility fetish; they believe having more children indicates they are more virile and for this and simple “I want it now” reasons, marital rape is not uncommon.

Comment #42: oldfeminist  on  02/23  at  04:35 PM

Oh, and the whole discussion of whether silphium really did what it claimed is almost beside the point.

The validity or invalidity of a method of contraception affects the birth rate, sure.  But the fact that people have been looking for good contraceptives and trying all kinds of them for thousands of years, as well as abortion and exposure of newborns, is the real point.  People want to control birth.  They want to have sex without having a baby every time.

Comment #43: oldfeminist  on  02/24  at  03:29 PM
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