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imageMrs. Instapundit writes about the terrible, awful story of poor Jeff Goldstein, who is a calm, rational person who was called one of the most terrible names imaginable just for stating his opinion!

I often feel bad for those on the right such as Jeff Goldstein who try to make sense of someone on the left who treats them with disdain and disgust. Goldstein received an email from an old creative writing professor recently saying that he was disturbed by Goldstein’s writings and wanted Goldstein to remove his name from his “about page.” When Goldstein called Brian Kiteley, the professor, up on the phone for clarification, Kiteley called him names:

So I dialed him up and he answered. When I told him who was calling, he let out a forced “laugh” — I presume to show his bemused exasperation with my gall at having contacted him — and, when pressed, he called me a “jerk”.

No.  NO.  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!

Never mind that Jeff Goldstein is a grown ass man who actually does jerky things on a fairly regular basis.  And never mind that “jerk” is about as milquetoast an insult as you can get without quoting Victorian-era riposte about family lineage.  Our sobby man-child is hurt, and hurt because he would never say mean or bad things about a person he’d disagree with.  And certainly would never keep someone on his site who ran pictures of Obama dressed as an African tribal king.  Alas, I digress from the awful victimization of good-hearted conservatives.

Initially, Goldstein says he was hurt by his professor’s intolerant attitude, but then, his hurt rightly turned to anger. This professor tolerated free speech only for liberal ideas. But shouldn’t we all have the right to free speech? Apparently, only if it’s left-leaning. And one would think a creative writing professor might be above this. But the problem is, he may have a blind spot when it comes to those on the right.

Whaaaaaa?  He asked Goldstein to remove his name from a page because he didn’t want to be associated with Goldstein.  Free speech doesn’t mean mandatory approval of ideas.  I personally think Jeff Goldstein writes the internet version of splattered pig feces on a wall, but it doesn’t mean I don’t tolerate his writing of his unremitting crap - it just means that I don’t like it.  There is no justification, no constitutional background, no anything for saying that you should be protected from people disliking what you say.  To argue otherwise is the ultimate form of narcissism.

Why are liberals unable to sympathize with conservatives? I offer three possibilities. First, I often wonder if this “blind spot” for conservatives is similar to the psychopath who cannot comprehend the morality of those who are “normal.”

Ah, yes, liberalism as a form of psychopathic mental illness.  Unfortunately, I’m too busy stalking Andrew Breitbart to a Panera this afternoon to track down Helen Smith and kill a puppy in front of her.  Being a member of the DNC is such fucking hard work.

I am not saying here that liberals are psychopaths, for this would be incorrect for the most part. What I am saying is that their inability to understand the morality of conservatives makes them unable to understand their point of view, just as a psychopath does not understand the morality of normal people.

I am not saying that Helen Smith is the BTK Killer, I’m just saying that she has a tendency to bind, torture and kill arguments as if they were people.  And by “arguments”, I actually do mean “people”.

The second possibility is that liberals do have the capacity to empathize with conservatives, but they do not have to do so because of the liberal bubble they mostly live in. Schools, the media, and many of the cities they live in lean left. This means that there is no incentive to understand other ideas and there are no consequences for showing disgust and ugly feelings towards conservatives. Thus, Goldstein’s ex-professor feels free to vent at him — knowing that few will care.

Let’s just stop this right now.  The most likely possibility is that conservatives, particularly prominent movement conservatives, have been buffered by thirty-plus years of an increasingly dominant media and social structure babying them into a state of infantile rage about the fact that everything they don’t like makes them a victim.  Liberals are every evil in history, conservatives are every victim in history, and if any conservative does something wrong, they’re not conservative any more.

The reason liberals are so mean to conservatives are twofold: the first, and most important, is that many conservatives tend to take every disagreement as a personal affront and a violation of their God-given right not to be uncomfortable.  The second is that conservatives and liberals don’t agree on much, and people who disagree tend to disagree.  Shocking, I know.

When Teabaggers cut gas lines and throw rocks through windows, the response is that liberals are big mean nasties who refer to them as Teabaggers.  Well, in all honesty, shut the fuck up and start making arguments that make any sense whatsoever.  You know why I curse when I talk about politics, and characterize people who I think are ridiculous in terms amplifying their ridiculousness?  Because it’s a way of debating and arguing that makes clear there are differing levels of argumentation.  And chances are, your argument that the baby-killing social fascists are taking all of your tax money based on this study from the Heritage Foundation is just really, really goddamn stupid.  Sorry about that.  I still think you’re probably a fine person (unless you aren’t) but the simple fact of vehement disagreement on legitimate ideological and factual grounds does not turn other people into monsters. 

Now, the racism and the bigotry, on the other hand…

 

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Posted by Jesse Taylor on 12:20 PM • (56) Comments

Being called a “jerk” is quite possibly the worst thing that could ever happen to anyone anywhere. I for one am unable to conjure a more hurtful insult.

Comment #1: Mark  on  03/30  at  12:31 PM

Oddly enough, even though “jerk” and “wanker” mean, or originally meant, approximately the same thing, I prefer “wanker” for cases like this because, being somewhat more obviously close to the original meaning, it really does a better job of getting across the concept of “self-absorbed idiot”.

Comment #2: BrianX  on  03/30  at  12:40 PM

When I told him who was calling, he let out a forced “laugh” — I presume to show his bemused exasperation with my gall at having contacted him

This self-important wanker’s repulsive opinions aside, if I were an English professor, I’d want a self-described professional writer who likely mixed up “bemused” with “amused” to take my name off his bio, too.

The second possibility is that liberals do have the capacity to empathize with conservatives, but they do not have to do so because of the liberal bubble they mostly live in. Schools, the media, and many of the cities they live in lean left. This means that there is no incentive to understand other ideas and there are no consequences for showing disgust and ugly feelings towards conservatives. Thus, Goldstein’s ex-professor feels free to vent at him — knowing that few will care.

Says the brave ol’ perfesser, a gadfly marooned in an academia that doesn’t appreciate him. If Glenn were giving honest advice from his own experience, he’d explain to Goldstein that the key is to be sneaky and mealy-mouthed about ones’ racism and sexism—such is the path to keeping one’s job at bastions of intolerant hippie liberalism like the U. Tenn. law school or the NYT.

Comment #3: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  12:40 PM

How does Dr. Mrs. Perfersser’s brain work?  Like, seriously, this is the sequence:

1) Old creative writing instructor emails Jeff Goldstein, asking to be removed from his “about” page due to being disturbed by Goldstein’s rhetoric.
2) Goldstein calls the professor for a clarification, and the creative writing instructor calls Goldstein a jerk.
3) Liberals are psychopathically incapable of empathy for those they disagree with.

THERE IS SOMETHING BETWEEN TWO AND THREE THAT I AM NOT SEEING

Comment #4: Ferox  on  03/30  at  12:43 PM

Ferox:

Something about stealing underpants.

Comment #5: BrianX  on  03/30  at  12:44 PM

Instapundit and Mrs. Instapundit are different people, Gracchus.  It’s probably because you’re a psychopath that you didn’t notice.

Comment #6: Ferox  on  03/30  at  12:45 PM

I particularly enjoyed the part about being in “the liberal bubble they mostly live in.”  I’d probably more sympathetic to conservative thought if I didn’t have to be around them so much.

Comment #7: Antigone  on  03/30  at  12:57 PM

Instapundit and Mrs. Instapundit are different people, Gracchus.  It’s probably because you’re a psychopath that you didn’t notice.

Whoops, my error. Comes from spending too much time here reading about sophisticated intellectuals who refer to their wives as “the missus.” That and the psychopathy of which I’ve now been made aware.

Liberals are psychopathically incapable of empathy for those they disagree with.

THERE IS SOMETHING BETWEEN TWO AND THREE THAT I AM NOT SEEING

It becomes even more difficult to see if you’ve ever watched Bill “ShutupShutupShutup!” O’Reilly and other “decorous and respectful” conservative pundits.

Comment #8: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  12:58 PM

Oh, for crying out loud.  Stick rule for jonasthomas- he’s just spamming threads now with the debunked Christist propaganda.

Comment #9: Antigone  on  03/30  at  01:00 PM

“So I dialed him up and he answered. When I told him who was calling, he let out a forced “laugh” — I presume to show his bemused exasperation with my gall at having contacted him — and, when pressed, he called me a “jerk”.”

Did it occur to anyone involved in this that it doesn’t get much more cut-and-dried and non-clarification-needing than “Please take my name off your page, I don’t want to be connected with you like I condone you”?  I imagine if I emailed someone saying “You’re a crazy person I met once 20 years ago, please stop editing your Wikipedia page to list me as your ‘college mentor’,” I’d be hard-pressed not to laugh and call them a jerk if they then rang me up under the pretense of needing “clarification” on the point, too.

Comment #10: preying mantis  on  03/30  at  01:00 PM

Oh, for crying out loud.  Stick rule for jonasthomas- he’s just spamming threads now with the debunked Christist propaganda.

Seconded. It’s exactly the same copypasta every time from this mook. Lazy trolling with no added value—ban him.

Comment #11: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  01:06 PM

Failing to condone someone’s speech is basically Hitleresque psychopathic ultracensorship at its worst, preying mantis.

Comment #12: Ferox  on  03/30  at  01:06 PM

oh god I finally clicked on that pravda forum link.  the first words are “crystal night, atheists!”

Somehow this guy Godwinized the thread even before I did.

Comment #13: Ferox  on  03/30  at  01:08 PM

Why yes, liberals are just like psychopaths.  I mean, it’s not like conservatives think that if you can’t afford health insurance, you should just die, or even if you can the free market means your insurance can make you just die, or advocate shooting people who provide procedures with which they do not agree or… um, wait…

Nevermind.

Comment #14: GeekGirlsRule  on  03/30  at  01:08 PM

While I’d second Antigone’s stick rule, jonasthomas isn’t a troll.  He’s a spammer.  Get him outta here.

More on topic, perhaps liberals have little respect for conservatives b/c they find their philosophy of gutting the country for the benefit of the already filthy rich offensive.  Just saying.

As for living in a bubble, heh heh heh.  Jerk.

Comment #15: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  03/30  at  01:09 PM

can’t HANDLE THE TRUTH, eh?

You mean the TRUTH about Depeche Mode, Nostradamus, and 9/11? If you want to stick around, tell us more about that instead of copying and pasting the same spam again and again.

Comment #16: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  01:15 PM

Caren:

I would go a bit further than troll or spammer. Markuze is a bona fide lunatic. He’s been bedeviling science bloggers for a couple of years and made threats towards PZ Myers from Pharyngula. I guess it’s probably inevitable that he’d start bugging political blogs, but it’s still vaguely amusing how staggeringly offtopic he is.

Comment #17: BrianX  on  03/30  at  01:25 PM

“Failing to condone someone’s speech is basically Hitleresque psychopathic ultracensorship at its worst, preying mantis.”

I’ll give them that (and hypernazi) if they’ll explain whether or not they thought that anyone would believe the creative writing prof got a call that was truly motivated by a desire to better understand the removal request.

Comment #18: preying mantis  on  03/30  at  01:31 PM

Markuze never responds to anything. He’s had his ass stomped more times than I can count, but he just doesn’t acknowledge the near-constant humiliations.

Don’t engage, just delete and ban.

Comment #19: Scott  on  03/30  at  01:32 PM

And back on-topic: I’m amazed anyone on the right wants to be associated with Goldstein either. He’s been nothing but a big burlap sack of epicfail for the past few years, and there’s not a chance that he’s ever going to be useful to anyone on the right again. Any conservative who sticks up for him at this point is just making themselves look like either a psychotic or a tool.

Comment #20: Scott  on  03/30  at  01:34 PM

I would go a bit further than troll or spammer. Markuze is a bona fide lunatic.

All true, but he’s no Serdar Argic. Of course, Argic was an automated script most of the time, which shows a bit more thoughtfulness and effort than this nutbar’s comment spam. Similarly, TimeCube (while not a spammer) exhibits a lot more creativity.

Enough about this third-rate attention whore—he’ll be banned soon enough. Ignore him til then.

Comment #21: Gracchus.  on  03/30  at  01:40 PM

Your favorite professor from college just asked you to stop name-dropping him because he thinks you’re a jerk.  Do you:

1. Stop being a jerk.

2. Respectfully disagree and explain why you’re not a jerk (PLEASE CITE EXAMPLES).

3. Pick a different college hero to name-drop.

4. Roll around on the ground wailing about liberal oppression until a right-wing political blog goes “poor baby, there there” at you.  Feel better when said blogger writes an essay complaining that people ought to be nicer to jerks.

Yeah, I can see the sense of personal that responsibility that Glenn Beck tells me is a major conservative value.

Comment #22: Shaenon  on  03/30  at  01:45 PM

Truly the sufferings of Jeff “cockslap” Goldstein rival those of Christ himself.

Comment #23: togolosh  on  03/30  at  01:48 PM

Truly the sufferings of Jeff “cockslap” Goldstein rival those of Christ himself.

Or the Pope!

Comment #24: Scott  on  03/30  at  01:50 PM

4. Roll around on the ground wailing about liberal oppression until a right-wing political blog goes “poor baby, there there” at you.  Feel better when said blogger writes an essay complaining that people ought to be nicer to jerks.

Obviously.

When someone has behaved like a spoilt 6 year old for the last 20 years, why would you expect his behaviour to suddenly change?

Oh, and isnt this fake-concern phone call pretty much the definition of jerk behaviour?

Comment #25: firefall  on  03/30  at  01:59 PM

The inability of conservatives to differentiate between criticism of the content of their speech and censorship of their speech never ceases to amaze me.

Comment #26: themann1086  on  03/30  at  02:07 PM

Also notable is that the Haidt piece Mrs Instapundit links to as being about how liberals don’t understand conservatives is (1) actually about how liberals and conservatives don’t understand *each*other* and (2) about a liberal who has gone to great lengths to understand conservatives.

Comment #27: togolosh  on  03/30  at  02:07 PM

Don’t most conservative bloggers take it as a badge of honor when they piss off liberals? So why do they always act surprised when we think they’re assholes?

Comment #28: Col Bat Guano  on  03/30  at  02:19 PM

Ferox @ 4:
parts 1 and 2 are just excuses, with direct connection necessary, to say part 3.  Part 3 was always the main portion and only real intension.

Comment #29: helen w. h.  on  03/30  at  02:21 PM

“...with direct connection unnecessary….”
Curses, foiled by lack of previewing again!

Comment #30: helen w. h.  on  03/30  at  02:22 PM

“Why are liberals unable to sympathize with conservatives?”

...maybe because liberals find it hard to sympathize with people who seem to be unable to sympathize with anyone unless they’re Rich, White, and Male?  Naaaa, that can’t be it.

Therefore it must be that liberals are all irrational psychopaths who must be eliminated from America.  After all, they asked for it by calling people jerks and stuff.  And voting for the Kenyan Usurper, and allowing Pelosi to become Speaker of the House, and not swearing to stay in Iraq forever, and thoughtlessly trying to give access to healthcare to a bunch of Americans who can’t be bothered to get healthcare on their own, etc.

Conservatives have so much sympathy and compassion it’s coming out of their asses…

...which it would have to do to keep them from exploding, since none of it ever comes out of their mouths…

Comment #31: MikeEss  on  03/30  at  02:45 PM

Third option: liberals find it hard to empathise with people like Goldstein because reacting to every bit of criticism with threats of (usually sexual) violence is, well, being a jerk. To put it mildly.

Comment #32: Ginger Yellow  on  03/30  at  02:47 PM

Exhibit 8493205789340672075382495843927538476586743 for the “Everything Conservatives Say, Ever, Under Any Circumstances, Is Raging Projection” files. Liberals lack empathy? Gimme a break.

Conservatives lack empathy. If they had empathy, they’d be liberals. Conservative positions on shit are intolerant. They are insulting. That is what makes them the conservative positions instead of the liberal positions. Conservatism is “Women aren’t real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, non-white people aren’t real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, gays are not real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, poor people are not real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, non-Christians are not real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, people who don’t speak English are not real people and shouldn’t get the rights and benefits of regular human beings, etc. etc. etc.” Telling another human being they are not a real human being is a classic example of what people who speak language refer to as “an insult.”

When you insult people, such as by telling them they’re not good enough to be counted as real human beings, they tend to dislike you, and sometimes they get mad and insult you BACK. The bit where it’s “just your opinion” that someone isn’t really a person is irrelevant, due to insults always being matters of opinion. “You’re a jerk” is no more or less insulting than “In my opinion, you’re a jerk.” Putting an impressive polysyllabic label like “conservatism” on your insults is equally irrelevant.

Most people do not enjoy being insulted. So if you don’t want other people to dislike you, DON’T INSULT THEM. It’s very simple.

Comment #33: thecynicalromantic  on  03/30  at  02:56 PM

Enough about this third-rate attention whore—he’ll be banned soon enough. Ignore him til then.

Comment #23: Gracchus

But… then my clever Roman soldier joke won’t be repreated in a thread people are actually still reading!  :(

Comment #34: cynickal  on  03/30  at  03:08 PM

I’m just impressed that the professor didn’t call him a jerk until “pressed” to do so.  That’s some serious restraint.

Comment #35: Reba  on  03/30  at  03:24 PM

Cleanup on aisles 7 and 15.

Comment #36: phylosopher  on  03/30  at  03:27 PM

LIGHT OR DEATH, ATHEISTS?

No, I choose “L” HAHAHA! (I’d settle for Near, but seriously he’s not as good.)

Okay I’m done. :D

Comment #37: Bagelsan  on  03/30  at  03:53 PM

Anyone else read the comments? *facepalm*

Comment #38: Vacuumslayer  on  03/30  at  04:48 PM

“Why are liberals unable to sympathize with conservatives?”

Well, I tried sympathizing with a conservative once, but hot water is expensive (not to mention the bleach!) and after 3 hours of showering my skin got super dry, so I quit. :D

Comment #39: Bagelsan  on  03/30  at  04:58 PM

#30: I know of a good way not to provide them the fuel, but, as I’ve said before, it would shut down about 2/3rds of the internet I read and participated in back in the day.

Comment #40: norbizness  on  03/30  at  05:34 PM

Two words: Purblind Jism.

http://roxanne.typepad.com/purblindjism/

Comment #41: Roxanne  on  03/30  at  05:35 PM

I like that the edits Jeff made to his ‘about’ page make it clear that 1. Jeff is a total jerkoff and 2. his former professor doesn’t want to be associated with him due to 1. Jeff is a total jerkoff.

I’m also enjoying his weeklong thousands of words babyfit about being called a jerk, it’s just fantastic.

Comment #42: Dan  on  03/30  at  05:36 PM

Hypothetical: if you frequently threaten to slap people in the face with your dick, do you think they might treat you with disdain and disgust?

Comment #43: Cris  on  03/30  at  05:42 PM

[thecynicalromantic]

the “Everything Conservatives Say, Ever, Under Any Circumstances, Is Raging Projection” files. Liberals lack empathy? Gimme a break.

And a second exhibit from the very same story: liberals live in an echo-chamber bubble? Oh, do tell.  I live in one of those vaunted Red States, and the discourse here clatters with so much right-wing self-reinforcement, it makes my ears ring.

By the way, what was Helen’s third possibility for why liberals lack empathy?

Finally, and my third possibility, is it could be lack of education that allows the left to lack empathy. They are not exposed to right-leaning and libertarian ideas.

Project away, you crazy diamond.

Comment #44: Cris  on  03/30  at  05:53 PM

Do you think they’re AWARE that they’re projecting?  Like, they’re whole world-view is made up of mocking the concept of empathy, then they go and accuse us of having no empathy.  Either they’re hitting some massive cognitive dissonance, or they’re really dumb, or they think we are.  Or they’re doing it intentionally.

Comment #45: Antigone  on  03/31  at  03:02 AM

Why are liberals unable to sympathize with conservatives?

because sympathy requires a shared experience of being completely fucking insane in a way we are not

Sympathy and empathy are not the same thing.

If I told you my father died when I was 13, if you have lost a parent, you can sympathize. If you suffered a family break-up of similar capacities such a a crushing divorce or similar trauma, you can relate to having something destroy your family in your formative years. If you, just recently, lost a pet cat, you can freshly remember the feeling of loss associated with death.

if these do NOT apply to you, you can’t sympathize. You can empathize, wherein you feel bad because they feel bad, and wish it would be better. but you aren’t sympathizing.

words fucking mean things, Instapundii. this is why your creative writing teacher doesn’t want to be associated with you. Because you think it’s fine to just use words like they mean whatever you want them to mean, not what they actually mean.

Comment #46: karpad  on  03/31  at  03:14 AM

karpad—i think you actually have those definitions reversed. you can only empathise when you have shared the experience. sympathy is being able to understand/support/respect the emotional state of another person.

Comment #47: sophiefair  on  03/31  at  03:20 AM

fair enough actually. this is why I need a proofreader.

though, yeah, switch names. point stands.

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Comment #49: brandbag  on  03/31  at  05:38 AM

What I am saying is that their inability to understand the morality of conservatives makes them unable to understand their point of view, just as a psychopath does not understand the morality of normal people.

This is the same spurious logic anti-choicers use: “You don’t understand my morality and love of your unborn child, you baby-murdering slut!”  Oh, alright, they’re rarely so obvious but it’s the same gist.

Comment #50: Princess Rot  on  03/31  at  09:26 AM

Cris @ 45:
Oh, we should have called him a dick instead of a jerk; that must be why he’s upset.  wink

Comment #51: helen w. h.  on  03/31  at  02:04 PM

Your favorite professor from college just asked you to stop name-dropping him because he thinks you’re a jerk. (great nutshell)

I also think it incredibly rude e-behavior to publicize an e-mail that someone has sent you privately, without first seeking and receiving the sender’s permission. 

Goldstein then escalates his rudeness by telephoning the professor, looks like, out of the blue to confront him.  When the professor calls him a (gasp!) “jerk,” the gloves are off as far as Goldstein are concerned, and he uses all of the weapons at his disposal (meager as they are) to embarrass his former professor for dumping him.  Goldstein can whine about free speech and censorship all he wants, but it’s pretty clear his feelings are hurt because he’s been dumped.  And he wants petty, public revenge.

There are a lot of ways to describe someone who acts this way, and “jerk” is one of the nicer ones.

Comment #52: blondie  on  03/31  at  04:33 PM

Hilarious comment from Goldstein’s blog:

Of course, to be fair, the “right” exhibits its share of intolerance — which, like that from the left, generally manifests in a kind of ostentatious public sanctimony. The difference is, for all the worry we consistently hear about the “religious right” threatening to turn the US into a theocracy, very rarely will we see any actual agitation from mainstream conservatives to turn religious doctrine into state or federal law. Whereas the churches of environmentalism and government-mandated “charity” (which isn’t; charity tends not to be backed by fines and guns) have joined up, of late, to fortify the Church of Progressivism, which is very quickly becoming a de facto “official” church of the United States.

Very rarely. Riiiiiight…

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