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Why McCain could easily win this

The projections that are putting battleground states towards Obama shouldn’t be trusted for one important reasons: A huge percentage of people who are telling pollsters that they’re going to vote for Obama don’t realize that they will be turned down at the polls?  Why?  Because they’ve been purged. Greg Palast and Robert Kennedy have a report coming up in the Rolling Stone about the widespread nature of voter purges, and let me just say, they’re saying it’s worse than your worst nightmares.

According to an investigative report out today in Rolling Stone magazine, Robert F. Kennedy Jr. and Greg Palast, after a year-long investigation, reveal a systematic program of “GOP vote tampering” on a massive scale.

- Republican Secretaries of State of swing-state Colorado have quietly purged one in six names from their voter rolls.

Over several months, the GOP politicos in Colorado stonewalled every attempt by Rolling Stone to get an answer to the massive purge - ten times the average state’s rate of removal.

- While Obama dreams of riding to the White House on a wave of new voters, more then 2.7 million have had their registrations REJECTED under new procedures signed into law by George Bush.
Kennedy, a voting rights lawyer, charges this is a resurgence of ‘Jim Crow’ tactics to wrongly block Black and Hispanic voters.

- A fired US prosecutor levels new charges - accusing leaders of his own party, Republicans, with criminal acts in an attempt to block legal voters as “fraudulent.”

- Digging through government records, the Kennedy-Palast team discovered that, in 2004, a GOP scheme called “caging” ultimately took away the rights of 1.1 million voters.  The Rolling Stone duo predict that, this November 4, it will be far worse.

Their investigation suggests it could be 10 million voters.  These are almost all going to be minorities, most will be Democrats.  Even New Mexico has been affected, and they have a Democratic governor.  Ohio is running the cleanest election in its history, no doubt, but can they make up for all the other swing states we’re going to lose due to fraud?

I propose that the ACORN frenzy has a more important purpose besides just trying to make Obama look dirty.  It’s there as a ethical fetish for the huge numbers of Republicans that will be called on to fight citizens trying to exercise their legal right to vote.  Every person intimidated, every name fraudulently purged from the rolls—-you need to be able to sleep at night after a long day of dismantling our democracy.  If you can tell yourself, “They do it, too,” then you feel better.  If you can convince yourself that some black or Hispanic voters are voting twice (not happening, by the way), they you can feel justified forcing some not to vote at all. 

This one is far from in the bag, people.  Obama’s lead is automatically shrunk by the number of people who think they can vote but can’t.  That’s not a pittance.

My only consolation is that Palast and Kennedy are often unduly alarmist.  But even if they’re only 50% right, we’re quite possibly fucked.  Many of the states in blue on this map will probably break Republican unless every single Obama voter who hasn’t been purged and votes.  Right off the top of my head, I’m seeing Missouri and Colorado are lost for sure, even though Obama has a huge lead in Colorado.  He doesn’t if 15% of the voters can’t vote.  Using the “Create Your Scenario” map at Yahoo to change over states that are blue now but will likely go red because of fraud, I’m getting a map that reduces the election to Ohio or Virginia. 

Swing states I’m assuming will go red, due to on the ground antics and bad polling data:

*Colorado
*Nevada
*Missouri
*North Dakota
*North Carolina
*Florida (we’d have to get 70% for real before the banana Republicans down there let us have it)
*West Virginia

Thank god New Mexico is so far in for Obama.  But with my calculations, if Ohio and Virginia go, we’re out and McCain wins.  And I’m not convinced that Ohio (49 to 46 today) is going to make it for us.  The good news is that Virginia is looking stronger and stronger every day, and there are other downticket races to compel turnout.  If we get Virginia and lose Ohio, we squeak out with a mere 274 electoral votes.  Don’t be fooled by those maps showing Obama with 352 votes or anything like that.  Most of those swing states have been quietly worked over by Republicans who are out to dismantle the basic concept of “one citizen, one vote”. 

As I was writing this, the Democrat headquarters called me and asked me to phone bank.  They caught me at a good time—-no resistance here.  Please, people, don’t rest on your laurels.  This one’s going to be a squeaker.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 05:56 PM • (118) Comments

The McCain campaign is showing the fruits of its efforts in demonizing ACORN:

“Death threat, vandalism hit ACORN after McCain comments”


Even if we do win, that ugly genie is not going to go back into the bottle.  Thanks, John!

Comment #1: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  06:03 PM

This is why I tell people not to relax- if there can be a way to steal, the repugs will do so. My only thought is why did they wait until now to point this out? There is hardly any time to file suits and such. This could get real ugly- riots anyone?

Comment #2: caliban  on  10/17  at  06:09 PM

Early voting has already begun in North Carolina with a heavy turnout of newly registered voters.  I haven’t read anything about problems with voters being denied the chance to cast their ballots.  While it is wise to be vigilant, these fears of vast voter disenfranchisement may be unwarranted.  If there is a problem it should be revealed first in the early voting states.

Comment #3: Bill K  on  10/17  at  06:15 PM

Shit.  I’m really glad I donated to Obama yesterday.

If a third election is stolen, do we even have a republic anymore?  I’m serious, my friends.  This is treason, and if they win, I can’t see anyone ever going to jail for it.

Fuck.  I was just starting to believe…dreaming of waking up under a Democratic President again.  The morning I woke up to Bill Clinton felt like a SF show—executive orders all over the place repealing the the gag order and all other sorts of shit.

I was imagining waking up to the end of the gag order, stem cell research, etc. 

Now I’m thinking about how to move the kids to Canada again.  They’re going to do it again, and no one will stop them.

Comment #4: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/17  at  06:18 PM

Contact MoveOn or your local Democratic party and donate some time this weekend, if you can.  Just an hour can help.  I don’t think we’re in super danger, but we can’t leave it to chance.  Every voter you call in Ohio could be critical.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/17  at  06:30 PM

If you’ve donated to the campaign online, you probably already have an e-mail from them pointing you to where you can phone bank for them from your cell phone.  I’m trying to figure out if I have time to do it this weekend (we have to drive up to give my brother his wedding present) or if it has to wait until next weekend.

Comment #6: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  06:33 PM

God you’re depressing, Amanda.

Comment #7: Apsalar  on  10/17  at  06:34 PM

In light of this, I think I *will* be attending that MoveOn phone party this weekend…this seriously has me on the verge of tears.

Is there any recourse for those wrongly purged by the rolls, or will “justice” have to wait until it’s too late to affect the outcome?

Comment #8: Felka  on  10/17  at  06:43 PM

Caren (and jessi and all of my fellow Illinoisans):

Holy shit.  The Trib just endorsed Obama.

I’m not sure that people outside of Illinois can really understand what a huge deal this is, but in its entire 161-year history, the Chicago Tribune has never endorsed a Democrat for president.  Ever.

Comment #9: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  06:44 PM

Early voting starts on Monday in Colorado.  Since the newly register will be taking advantage of early voting, if there has been a purge of these voters we should see the first warning signs by early next week.

Comment #10: Bill K  on  10/17  at  06:47 PM

I cannot put into words how devastated I would be if McCain won.

Comment #11: Atheist Feminazi  on  10/17  at  06:49 PM

Ahhhh, but….

If we do win anyway and can force a massive investigation, it will destroy the Republican Party for 50 years, if not forever.

It’s in the Constitution that the Federal Government must insure that every State have a “republican form of government.”

Comment #12: Magis  on  10/17  at  07:11 PM

The GOP version of “voter fraud” has always been a ridiculous strawman to cover their goal of committing actual fraud by blocking legitimate votes. My only consolation here is that Obama’s poll numbers are so high that a meaningful number of people may actually react when he “loses” despite exit polling going enormously in his favor.

Comment #13: dan  on  10/17  at  07:20 PM

If they’re assuming they’ll probably lose anyway, this can serve as questioning the legitimacy of an Obama presidency rather than a full-on attempt to win in the face of these current poll results. As losers, they can criticize all they want and attempt to get their shit together for 2012. As winners, they’ll have to deal with a terrible economy and hostility from the rest of the world. Not that their lust for power at any cost necessarily deters them, but still.

Comment #14: annejumps  on  10/17  at  07:22 PM

Early voting has been going in Ohio for a while now. Have there been problems reported there?

Comment #15: SamFromUtah  on  10/17  at  07:35 PM

I don’t know.  If it was so easy to steal an election, Webb wouldn’t have won in Virginia in ‘06.  We picked up six Senate seats, a handful of governorships, and dozens of House seats.  I don’t see this being any less of a blowout.

In order to get a rigged election, you need a whole lot of people turning the other way.  I think the political will just isn’t there.  People who happily went along for the ride with Bush in 2000 just aren’t in position anymore.  Where is Ken Blackwell of Ohio and Katherine Harris of Florida?  They were abandoned by their party.  No one was willing to protect Tom DeLay after all he did to redistrict Texas.  He’s not worth one of Newt Gingrich’s cold farts today.

Why cheat?  What does a GOP operative have to gain?  The party can’t even get old-school above board regular campaign contributions.  Who is going to go to bat for them behind the voting booths?

Comment #16: Zifnab25  on  10/17  at  07:35 PM

I agree that the voter purges are awful.  We should all fight that. I agree we should all get out a do what we can do.  But, I’m not sure how much we need to worry. 

Where do the pollsters get their lists of people to call?
If they’re calling people out of the phone book, and relying on their answers as to whether they’re registered to vote, I can see your concern about a possible difference between polls and who will actually get to vote.
However, if the pollsters are calling people off lists of registered voters, the question is whether those lists are pre- or post- purge. 
I honestly don’t know.  However, I would assume that any pollster wanting to be as accurate as possible would use the most recent list of registered voters available.

Comment #17: Isabella  on  10/17  at  07:37 PM

That said, this isn’t the time to be complacent by a long shot.  Just the opposite.  The only people who want to back McCain’s Presidential run to an illegal level are the yahoos and incompetent trust fund brats that are the bloated pimples of the local political scene.

This is the best time to crack down on REAL voter fraud.  The folks who try to rig the votes today will be exposed.  They’ll be more prosecutable, more condemnable, more publicized than at any time before.  Its the perfect opportunity to nail the crocks when they are at their most desperate and flagrant.

If the Obama campaign plays its cards right, it will be able to nail reams of the cheating bastards doing ridiculous unethical shit and completely flip the tables on the ACORN smears.

Comment #18: Zifnab25  on  10/17  at  07:40 PM

While I agree that the GOP must be monitored like a hawk for all possible vote tampering (which I believe Obama’s legal team is doing), I feel that Kennedy and Palast are being overly alarmist.

Comment #19: CHV  on  10/17  at  07:59 PM

This year, you can do same day registration at early voting in NC - so if people aren’t sure they’re registered, they can go to the polls early and register if they need to. This can’t be done on November 4. The group Democracy NC has been putting out facts to counter the disinformation going around, and Facing South covered it here.

Whether this negates the possibility of purged voters (election officials claim none) I don’t know. But registered democrats outnumber republicans by almost a million right now.

Comment #20: C. Diane  on  10/17  at  08:02 PM

I don’t believe a word that Robert Kennedy, Jr. says.  The man is completely untrustworthy.  I’d also want to see some actual evidence that voter purges would have some effect on the polling, rather than mere assertions that it will do so.  It seems much more likely to me that current likely voter polls are underestimating, rather than overestimating, newly registered voters.

Comment #21: John  on  10/17  at  08:08 PM

Amanda,

I’m very sad to report to you that dead people, jailbirds, felons and Mickey Mouse will not be able to vote this year. I realize Obama was counting on these votes, but luckly, some law-abiding citizens (Republicans) are doing their best to stop it.

Comment #22: KLH  on  10/17  at  08:08 PM

I’m very sad to report to you that dead people, jailbirds, felons and Mickey Mouse will not be able to vote this year. I realize Obama was counting on these votes, but luckly, some law-abiding citizens (Republicans) are doing their best to stop it.

Yes, we’ve already <a >seen that happening</a>.

You did know that conservatives have started taking mob action against ACORN, right?

Comment #23: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  08:11 PM

D’oh!  TAAAAAAGS!

I’m very sad to report to you that dead people, jailbirds, felons and Mickey Mouse will not be able to vote this year. I realize Obama was counting on these votes, but luckly, some law-abiding citizens (Republicans) are doing their best to stop it.

Yes, we’ve already seen that happening.

You did know that conservatives have started taking mob action against ACORN, right?

Comment #24: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  08:13 PM

But Mnemosyne, don’t you know that some Manhattanites heckled some pro-McCain marchers?  That’s much worse than anything honest, law-abiding Republicans might do to make sure them uppity brown folk stay in their…ahem, might do to prevent voter fraud.

Comment #25: Seraph  on  10/17  at  08:19 PM

John, to show how it can actually affect the outcome, read this Rolling Stone article about what happened in Ohio in 2004.

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/10432334/was_the_2004_election_stolen

KLH—If Mickey Mouse shows up at the polls, shouldn’t he be allowed to vote?  Oh, wait, none of those “people” will be able to show up, will they?  You do realize that it is absolutely illegal for ACORN to fail to turn in any filled-out form they get, right?  If some jack-ass signs up as Mickey Mouse, they are still required to turn in the form.  That registration form will, of course, not end up in an actual registration of a person once the name doesn’t match the address or phone number.  So don’t you worry that pretty little head of yours, people who actually have a brain have figured these things out already.

Comment #26: roro80  on  10/17  at  08:28 PM

It happened even in California; a friend of mine ho hasn’t moved for five years has had to re-register last year and this year again.  She even voted in the Primary and the locals.

Ugh.

Comment #27: Crissa  on  10/17  at  08:32 PM

PS, the Obama campaign - the one you can help with anyhow - only calls people already on the voter rolls.

So you don’t have to worry about them calling people who aren’t registered but thinking they are.

Can’t say about other pollsters, tho.

Comment #28: Crissa  on  10/17  at  08:35 PM

To put aside the snark for a moment, I’m with those who urge caution, but not panic.  As Zifnab points out, the Repugs just don’t have the infrastructure in place that they did in 2000 and 2004 - because they lost big in 2006, even though they did have that infrastructure in place then!  There are limits to what they can steal. 

What’s more, I’m not sure I buy the idea that there could be a fire this big without any smoke.  When the Ohio GOP tried to pull a stunt this week that might have affected 600,000 voters, it was big news and went to the Supreme Court.  How did 10 million go unnoticed?  I’m sure that the Obama campaign - which is, after all, depending on its GOTV efforts - would have raised a stink. 

That said, your central point is sound.  As Obama himself has said, we can’t get complacent.  Not a vote or a dollar can be spared - we can’t let up or take our eyes off the rethuglicans for a second.

Comment #29: Seraph  on  10/17  at  08:39 PM

It is a crime to cast a vote under fraudulent identity or status as a US citizen.

Fewer than 10 people per year are prosecuted in the entirety of the USA. Admittedly, there may be a few legally registered people who vote at their old precinct after moving to a new precinct a few months before elections, but these people aren’t voting in two precincts at once, and these people are guilty of mild sloppiness and not fraud.

Ex-felons legally entitled to vote very often don’t know their rights. The number of non-registered but eligible ex felons exceeds the number of mistakenly or fraudulently registered ex felons - probably by 5 orders of magnitude (100,000).

Comment #30: NancyP  on  10/17  at  08:45 PM

I’m with you, Amanda.  If there is a way to steal it, they’ll do it.  I’ve told my fellow voters that I fully expect an invitation-only terrorist attack within a week of the election.  Signed by Dick Cheney.  And self-destructing technology built into the invitation, to cover Cheney’s cold black ass.

You could say I’ve lost a little faith in my government.

I have 3 days off post-election.  It’s gonna be one helluva bender either way.

The only difference is in how it ends.

Yeah, everyone, the math is on “our” side, but it will be fought tooth and nail, and unless there are large margins in the swing states, the shitstorm the Dems raised about FL 2000 will become A-league ball.

Comment #31: John O  on  10/17  at  08:58 PM

This is why I’m encouraging people to vote early if they have the option. Early voting opens in Florida next Monday, and I’ll be there bright and early, because in the event that something goes wrong, I want two weeks to raise holy hell about it, because I am eligible, damn it, and my vote will count. You have less time to get that rectified if you’re voting on election day.

Comment #32: Incertus, Nacho Daddy  on  10/17  at  09:17 PM

Too bad the Democratic leadership doesn’t care about election fraud (actual election fraud, not this ACORN registration fraud bullshit). Doubly too bad b/c it affects down-ticket races too. Triply too bad b/c we’re the ones getting screwed b/c the Dems buried their heads in the sand.

Comment #33: GeoCrackr  on  10/17  at  09:22 PM

watching olbermann, only caught the tailend of the report, but it appears obama has petitioned the justice department to have a special prosecuter investigate voter supression. for more in depth and most likely more accurate info, i recommend the google.

Comment #34: jessilikewhoa  on  10/17  at  09:38 PM

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=anlSbwVX9jJI&refer=home

explains everything a bit more? yeah.

Comment #35: jessilikewhoa  on  10/17  at  09:42 PM

KLH, you know you want to.  You want to be naughty and vote for Obama. 

Oh sure, you make a big fuss here about how he’s some kind of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist avatar of radical leftist political philosophy, but you and I both know that’s just bullshit Republican talking points.

Deep down inside you — past all the Republican/Conservative/Libertarian lies and whining, protected from a philosophical diet of Limbaughisms, Malkinisms, and Coulterisms all washed down with wingnut Koolaid — there’s a real person who knows were fucked if we don’t change directions.  And McCain won’t change directions.  He’s not even capable of doing so.

Go ahead. Do it.  Vote for Obama.  You know it’s the right thing to do…

Comment #36: MikeEss  on  10/17  at  09:46 PM

I’ll repeat what was asked above: have there been any reports at all of voters being locked out in early voting? If not, doesn’t this suggest that the situation may not be as bad as Kennedy and Palast claim? (I’m another Kennedy skeptic after that piece of shit article about autism and mercury in 2005. I have more respect for Palast, but he could still be wrong, too.)

Nonetheless, I’m glad people have a heads up, no matter what the true scale of this problem might be, and I’m especially glad that Obama is fighting back hard.

Comment #37: MaryL  on  10/17  at  09:53 PM

Holy shit.  The Trib just endorsed Obama.

I’m not sure that people outside of Illinois can really understand what a huge deal this is, but in its entire 161-year history, the Chicago Tribune has never endorsed a Democrat for president.  Ever.

OMFG!!!!

Col. McCormick, that ratfucking loudmouth reactionary son of a bitch, is turbo-spinning in his grave.

Comment #38: Bitter Scribe  on  10/17  at  10:03 PM

“You did know that conservatives have started taking mob action against ACORN, right? “

Yes, I don’t agree with that as well.

Comment #39: KLH  on  10/17  at  10:09 PM

I’m not a big Robert Kennedy fan either, but if he’s wrong and we still put in extra effort, what’s the worst that happens? We add more votes for Obama.

Comment #40: Woodrowfan  on  10/17  at  10:14 PM

MikeEss, that’s just cruel. The sweet sweet cruelty of truth.

Comment #41: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/17  at  10:19 PM

Woodrowfan, I absolutely agree. But just as Obama says we shouldn’t be complacent, we shouldn’t freak out, either. Keep volunteering, canvassing, contributing, and just plain carrying on. Obama has a legal and media team ready to push back hard, and if there’s anything else they want supporters to do, I’m sure we’ll hear about it.

Comment #42: MaryL  on  10/17  at  10:34 PM

If this shit goes down and we’ve got evidence of a stolen election, the Republic will fail.

Literally.

As in, there’s going to be an actual Civil War II.  You cannot fuck your country over like this twice in 8 years without repercussions.  Especially not now, when things are already torn to shit after 8 years of the idiot in the White House.  We could handle it in 2000 because the country then was at least in relatively good shape, but not now… there will be blood.  LOTS of it.

I think I’m gonna cry.  And then puke.

Comment #43: DTG in STL  on  10/17  at  10:34 PM

KLH -

Seriously.  Commit suicide.  Please.

Comment #44: DTG in STL  on  10/17  at  10:48 PM

God, I love this woman.

Palin: No apologies for being American:

http://hotair.com/archives/2008/10/17/palin-no-apologies-for-being-american/

Comment #45: KLH  on  10/17  at  11:07 PM

I agree that we should take the Republican clumsy-handed efforts at disenfranchising seriously.  However, I ask of Greg Palast or RFK Jr or anyone else panicking to explain four simple words to me, because they don’t mesh with what I keep hearing about 2004:

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland

‘cause I’m lost at trying to figure out how Ken Blackwell could engineer a Bush win but lost all the state executive offices as well as Mike DeWine’s Senate seat in the sweep of ‘06.

Comment #46: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/17  at  11:17 PM

Between the authoritarian leadership worship, kleptocrat socialism, and combining the identity of the nation with the party, I’d dare say the Stalinization of the Republican party is all but complete. 

We salute you, Comrade KLH!  You have become what you have most feared.

Comment #47: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/17  at  11:22 PM

Palin: No apologies for being American

I think Palin has a slightly different definition of being American than you (or normal people) do.  One that means not actually being part of America.

Comment #48: Mnemosyne  on  10/17  at  11:39 PM

God, I love this woman.

Palin: No apologies for being American:

True.  It’s her husband that wants to secede.

Comment #49: Seraph  on  10/17  at  11:44 PM

I don’t know if it’s connected or not, but we did the motor-voter thing last year (Washington State) when we got our new licenses. When I checked our registration this year—thank god I did!—whaddya know, neither one of us showed up!!! So we re-registered. Just checked, now we show up. Not everyone is going to be that lucky to actually check ahead of time.

Comment #50: DWF  on  10/17  at  11:49 PM

Mnemosyne,

That’s Rose Brooks from the LA times…they’re part of the Obama campaign. Like CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, CNN, the AP and MSLSD. 

More news about the Obama thug machine:

7th grader called racist for wearing Palin t-shirt…

OBAMA SUPPORTER STOLE MENTALLY-CHALLENGED MAN’S VOTE

Obama’s NH event scraps National Anthem, Pledge of Allegiance…

McCain Supporter Physically Attacked in NYC…

Obama vows to ‘change the world’...

http://www.drudgereport.com/

Comment #51: KLH  on  10/17  at  11:50 PM

No fucking way, Mnemo. 

My favorite comment from the Trib:

Is that chill coming from hell?

Do I see porcine aviation outside my window??

Although I get a lot of giggles from the idiots writing that the Trib has always been sooo liberal and attacks Republicans every chance it gets.  Yeah, that was you, KLH, wasn’t it?

Comment #52: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/17  at  11:50 PM

Oh yeah, forgot to mention paranoia and belief that anything going wrong must be a conspiracy against the party-state.

Joe Stalin’s laughing from the grave.

Comment #53: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/17  at  11:58 PM

Another woman after my heart:

R Congresswomen Michelle Bachmann announced to Chris Matthews today that she believes there are un-American members of Congress who need to be investigated, apparently in McCarthy-type hearings….

Comment #54: KLH  on  10/18  at  12:02 AM

God———Iraq does not have WMDs—- this is like a broken record - why are the Republicans trying to destroy this country?  I am just so fed up wth all of it. 

Obama is clearly the better man for the job - by any measure.  These people are just so freakin insane—it boggles my mind.

Comment #55: sfanetti  on  10/18  at  12:02 AM

KLH, you are one scary motherfucker.  Leave off-topic comments again, and you are banned.

Comment #56: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/18  at  12:06 AM

Whoops, too late.  Bye, KLH.

Comment #57: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/18  at  12:07 AM

That’s Rose Brooks from the LA times…they’re part of the Obama campaign. Like CBS, NBC, ABC, PBS, CNN, the AP and MSLSD.

Arguing that Rose Brooks…and apparently the entire media complex…is biased doesn’t mean that a particular thing they say is untrue

Are you saying that Todd Palin was never a member of the AIP?  That Sarah Palin never addressed AIP conventions?  Or that the AIP is not a secessionist party?  Got any evidence for any of the above?

Comment #58: Seraph  on  10/18  at  12:08 AM

I love when wingnuts argue that every major news source in the country is lying. (One wonders if rumors of Ms. Palin’s secessionist leanings have reached the BBC and if KLH would belive that. Oh wait, it’s the UK, they have socialized medicine. SOCIALIZED I TELL YOU!) One wonders what’s going to happen when they realize that even Fox covers this stuff…I guess there’s always LifeNews and the National Review? Or maybe they always just know, from their own heads, what is true and what is not. *snerk*

And oh, yeah, the McCarthy hearings worked so well last time. (Did she seriously say that? That is, like, the worst possible comparison to make if you actually want to put something into practice.)

Thank you for fiiiiiinally banning him, Amanda.

Comment #59: Rebecca  on  10/18  at  12:49 AM

Thank you Amanda! The troll was really, really grating.

Comment #60: BenF  on  10/18  at  12:57 AM

Ohio Governor Ted Strickland

I think that’s just down to the Taylor effect. Not even Blackwell could beat that.

Comment #61: Auguste  on  10/18  at  01:43 AM

I really really really hope that the surprise McCain has in his back pocket is Rezko.  Even more now that I know Rezko hosted a $3.8 million fundraiser for George Bush in 2003

McCain keeps vaguely alluding to Rezko, but I notice they never bring up any details, like that Rezko gave lots of money to both Democrats and Republicans.

Comment #62: Mnemosyne  on  10/18  at  03:47 AM

Cueing up the memories.  Did Obama learn his footwork from the DLC?  Pray the answer is no:

11/3/2004 7:00 PM
Text of Sen. John Kerry’s concession speech
The Associated Press
“In America, it is vital that every vote count, and that every vote be counted. But the outcome should be decided by voters, not a protracted legal process. I would not give up this fight if there was a chance that we would prevail.

But is now clear that even when all the provisional ballots are counted, which they will be, there won’t be enough outstanding votes for us to be able to win Ohio.

And therefore we cannot win this election. “

Comment #63: Cointreau  on  10/18  at  04:07 AM

Robert Kennedy, Jr., the man who brought us “mercury in vaccines causes autism” and “wind power is dandy if I can’t see it.” You want to banish this guy; he gives liberalism a bad name.

On the other hand, the poster above who noted there’s no harm in taking all possible precautions had a good point….

Comment #64: sunsin  on  10/18  at  07:01 AM

Shall I assume, then, that if Senator McCain should happen to win the election, y’all will take that as conclusive proof of fraud?

Comment #65: Dana  on  10/18  at  09:29 AM

As execrable as KLH is, it’s somewhat valuable to let him keep spewing. He demonstrates in stark terms in ways that we can’t easily ignore what we’re up against.

Comment #66: Mike  on  10/18  at  10:16 AM

Both Kennedy and Palast are fear-mongering. They have a long track record of doing so, both of them. Palast was predicting the Republicans would rig the 2006 elections as well. We know how that turned out. We have to be vigilant, and clearly the Republicans are trying to disenfranchise as many people as they can, but this election won’t get stolen.

Comment #67: Norsecats  on  10/18  at  10:51 AM

“Ohio is running the cleanest election in its history”????  You guys need to have your heads examined.

Comment #68: GoGOP  on  10/18  at  11:26 AM

Actually, even if Obama wins, we have conclusive proof that the Republicans are committing fraud, Dana.  So it’s not if, in the future.  It’s now, and hopefully it won’t mean yet another nail in the coffin of our democracy.

Comment #69: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/18  at  11:33 AM

Shall I assume, then, that if Senator McCain should happen to win the election, y’all will take that as conclusive proof of fraud?

Let’s put it this way, Dana:

At this point in 2004, George Bush was ahead of John Kerry by anywhere between 1 and 6 points in the vast majority of polls, with an average lead of 2 points.  Bush won the popular vote in that election, 62 million to 59 million.

Right now, Obama is ahead of McCain in pretty much every poll, with an average lead of 6 points.  Obama’s leading in many of the swing states that Bush won.

Are you going to tell me with a straight face that if McCain somehow squeaks by on Election Day that you won’t be even the tiniest bit suspicious?  Or are you going to claim it’s because of the completely mythical “Bradley Effect” that was invented by an incompetent pollster to explain why he screwed up?  (Please note in that story it’s the Republican who supposedly benefited from it saying the Bradley Effect is bogus.  I know you wouldn’t believe it if it were a Democrat.)

Comment #70: Mnemosyne  on  10/18  at  11:59 AM

::sniff sniff:: [look around]  ::sniff sniff::  Ahh, that stink is gone.  Thanks, Amanda.

Comment #71: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/18  at  01:21 PM

I’ve volunteered to do election protection up in NH.  (I live in boston).  Everyone here with any legal experience (lawyer, paralegal, law student, whatever!) should do the same.  It doesn’t help so much with the purging (although you can help people get provisional ballots) but it can really help with the intimidation.

Comment #72: Dan  on  10/18  at  01:30 PM

Amanda you may want to be careful about stoking too many unnecessary fears.

Many NC officials have strongly reputed the NY Times article regarding the purging of voters from the roles. The Local NPR station had an excellent interview with Democracy NC that ripped that article apart.

The link for it can be found at http://wunc.org/tsot/archive/sot1017ab08.mp3/view if anyone wants to hear it.

I’m not saying there won’t be efforts at intimidation at the polls and attempts to challenge lower income and minority voters as there have been since blacks got the right to vote here in 1865; those activities have a long and sorry history from both parties. However, I wouldn’t fly off the handle quite yet… well over 150,000 people have already participated in early voting over the last 2 days with an incredible turnout in heavily Republican and rural areas.

North Carolina voters can also do same day registration with early voting up to Nov. 1, so if there is something wrong with your registration, it can be fixed there and you can vote.

In other words, GET OUT THE VOTE!

Comment #73: Chuck  on  10/18  at  02:00 PM

Time to call in the UN observers?

Comment #74: Nineveh_uk  on  10/18  at  03:28 PM

What is the danger of alerting people to the fact that Republican shenanigans will absolutely reduce Obama’s margin?  I think the real danger is people getting slack.  What are the exact dangers, Chuck?  I’m not being sarcastic.  I really want to know, because I put up the post because I’m scared to death that people might think their vote doesn’t matter because Obama’s gonna win in a walk.

Comment #75: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/18  at  03:59 PM

It is the common fate of the indolent to see their rights become a prey to the active. The condition upon which God hath given liberty to man is eternal vigilance; which condition if he break, servitude is at once the consequence of his crime and the punishment of his guilt.
—John Philpot Curran: Speech upon the Right of Election, 1790. (Speeches. Dublin, 1808.)

Just sayin’....


Let’s keep the money flowing so Sen. Obama and the Democratic Party can fund the defense of the disenfranchised

Comment #76: cynickal  on  10/18  at  04:22 PM

I’m sure that a good number of these people came across the state line from Illinois, but still ... wow.

That sight actually made it even more likely that I’m going to get out and do some phone banking next weekend.  I think Ben D. is the one who’s been saying this, but I will not be happy with a squeaker on Election Day.  I won’t be happy if Obama barely gets his 270.

I want a blow-out.  I want all of the swing states, and maybe a couple of surprises.  I want Alan Keyes to call John McCain on Nov. 5 and say, “Now you know how I feel.”

It’s going to take a last-minute sprint, but I think it can be done.  I’m sure I only think this is funny because I have an incredibly inappropriate sense of humor, but this story from 538.com has been going around:

So a canvasser goes to a woman’s door in Washington, Pennsylvania. Knocks. Woman answers. Knocker asks who she’s planning to vote for. She isn’t sure, has to ask her husband who she’s voting for. Husband is off in another room watching some game. Canvasser hears him yell back, “We’re votin’ for the n***er!”

Woman turns back to canvasser, and says brightly and matter of factly: “We’re voting for the n***er.”

Comment #77: Mnemosyne  on  10/18  at  04:23 PM

I’m thinking Missouri might be feeling a little blue.

I just got back from the LARGEST OBAMA RALLY EVER HELD IN THE UNITED STATES, right here in the heart of flyover country, under the Gateway Arch in St. Louis, and all I can say is WOW.

Sorry Portland, sorry Denver… St. Louis now holds the record (which hopefully will get broken several more times in the next 17 days).  100,000 Hopemongers strong.

Amanda, Jesse, Pam, August, anyone: the St. Louis Obama Rally picture in this link needs to get posted everywhere… it’s absolutely breathtaking.

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3053/2952385464_7244fbe44e.jpg?v=0

http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/100000_people.html?showall

Comment #78: DTG in STL  on  10/18  at  04:47 PM

I love when wingnuts argue that every major news source in the country is lying.

I love it when wingnuts argue that every major news source in the country is LIBERAL.  ABC?  Home of “Path to 9/11” that even LIMBAUGH said should be edited?

Like I said above, it’s funny in the comments at the Trib when they carry on about the Trib being anti-Republican.  This is a paper that addressed all the problems with the lack of WMDs in Iraq before the 2004 election, and then said vote for Bush, because…well…just because.

Comment #79: Caren  on  10/18  at  04:53 PM

I’m sure that a good number of these people came across the state line from Illinois, but still ... wow.

Actually, for as much as people thinking of Missouri being the most red state ever, it really isn’t.  In the past 100 years, the Show-Me State has voted for the eventual winner of every single election except one (Adlai Stevenson won MO in 1956).  St. Louis City is almost entirely blue (though not a very progressive shade of blue), and most of the surrounding inner suburbs are as well… it’s the outer exurbs that get really Republican.  We, along with KC, are like two blue dots (albeit dots that represent 75% of the state’s total population) in a sea of red.

It was amazing.  There were some people from the Metro East (Illinois) there, but the Missouri folks seemed to outnumber the Illinois folks about 10 to 1.

Comment #80: DTG in STL  on  10/18  at  04:57 PM

The one thing that gives me hope that they’re not going to be able to steal this one is that Hagel, who was the Repub connection to the crooked voting machines, doesn’t like McCain.

Comment #81: Robbie Taylor  on  10/18  at  05:26 PM

Actually, for as much as people thinking of Missouri being the most red state ever, it really isn’t.

No, that was my Flatlander bias.  I’m just assuming a bunch of us crossed the river to see our native son*.  I’m still marveling at the flying pigs that were released after the Tribune and Sun-Times endorsements yesterday.  grin

* Okay, he wasn’t born in Illinois, but neither was Lincoln.  Lincoln didn’t move to Illinois until he was a young adult, either.

Comment #82: Mnemosyne  on  10/18  at  06:19 PM

People are forgetting that Bush has stationed troops inside the US and they are training right now to put down riots. Yes, it’s unconstitutional as hell, waddaya goin ta do ‘bout it? Congress sure as hell isn’t going to. I think the plan is to try to steal the election by voter purges but if that doesn’t work they’ll call in the military to put down any protests. That will give them the cover they need to steal it outright.

We already know that Bush was ready to declare martial law a couple weeks ago. He won’t hesitate if there are “problems” during the election. Bush simply cannot afford to allow Obama to be elected. He has committed too many crimes.

I agree with Naomi Wolf, we must arrest Bush now, without delay. If we wait for Obama to fix things it’ll be too late.

Comment #83: brenda  on  10/18  at  06:26 PM

Amanda, the Democratic side of this equation is no less guilty of voter intimidation and fraud than the GOP.  Maybe even more so in this election cycle.  I think it is a bit dangerous to stoke these types of partisan fires as it can only lead to catastrophe. 

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&tab=wn&nolr=1&q=democrat+voter+fraud&btnG=Search

Comment #84: Cyd  on  10/18  at  06:51 PM

I thought Bush and Cheney had decided to head for their Paruguay compound the second after the inauguration. You know, where they cannot be extradited.

Comment #85: KMTBERRY  on  10/18  at  06:52 PM

Cyd….hmmm, three letter handles now cause me to look askance.  However, Amanda urging people to be vigilant and protect both their own and other’s voting rights has no downside for our republic.

And that link seemed to be mostly about voter REGISTRATION fraud, which is either a 1)tiny tempest in a miniscule teapot or 2) Rethuglican red herring, courtesy the Noise Machine®, take your pick.  Write back when you find evidence of Democrats disenfranchising ACTUAL voters, like R. bastards are doing by the wholesale lot in some states.

Comment #86: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/18  at  06:59 PM

Are you going to tell me with a straight face that if McCain somehow squeaks by on Election Day that you won’t be even the tiniest bit suspicious?  Or are you going to claim it’s because of the completely mythical “Bradley Effect” that was invented by an incompetent pollster to explain why he screwed up? 

Mnemosyne on 10/18 at 10:59 AM

A quote from your link…

The hype surrounding the Bradley Effect has evolved to where some political pundits believe in 2008 that Obama must win in the national pre-election polls by 6-9 points before he can be assured a victory. That’s absurd. There won’t be a 6-9 point Bradley Effect—there can’t be, since few national polls show a large enough amount of undecided voters and it’s in the undecided column where racism supposedly hides.

This is inaccurate as the Bradley Effect does not have to reside solely in the undecided voters.  Certainly, people can claim they are for Obama when polled in order to not have to feel they need to give an explanation why they are voting for McCain.  We just do not know and it will be evident on Nov 4. 

Also, regarding your assertion of the incompetent pollster, apparently there were exit polls that showed the same thing leading the calls that Bradley did indeed win, when in fact he did not.

Inaccurate polling statistics attributed to the Bradley effect are not limited to pre-election polls. In the initial hours after voting concluded in the Bradley-Deukmejian race in 1982, similarly inaccurate exit polls led some news organizations to project Bradley to have won.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bradley_effect

Comment #87: Cyd  on  10/18  at  07:02 PM

Amanda, the Democratic side of this equation is no less guilty of voter intimidation and fraud than the GOP.  Maybe even more so in this election cycle.

I agree. Fifty fake voter registrations made out to ‘Mickey Mouse’ are a terrifying threat to the republic. Ten thousand living people being struck off the voter rolls, on the other hand, are barely noticeable. Shit, it’s only blacks & mexicans anyway, not real Americans.

I think it is a bit dangerous to stoke these types of partisan fires as it can only lead to catastrophe.

Damn right. After all, if you get liberals all riled up, who knows what they might do?! They might sit down on the sidewalk and start chanting “No blood for Oil”. And nobody wants that.

Comment #88: atheist  on  10/18  at  07:05 PM

Pardon me, that’s ten million mostly blacks and hispanics.

Comment #89: atheist  on  10/18  at  07:09 PM

Amanda urging people to be vigilant and protect both their own and other’s voting rights has no downside for our republic.

Aside from instilling the meme that an Obama loss will be due to racism and, in this case, voter fraud.  While those two reasons may be possible/probable, they are not the only reasons and may not be at the top of the list.  Being diligent in voting fairness is absolutely necessary in a free country, though one has to be careful how they push this “diligence”.  That’s all I am saying.

And Eric, attempting to explain away blatant attempts at voter registration fraud and who knows what else as “not as bad” does you no favours.  Your assertion is that ACORN, yeah screws around with registration but they aren’t going to mess with the actual election.  Not a very solid argument.

Comment #90: Cyd  on  10/18  at  07:12 PM

Atheist, I do not argue with strawmen.

Comment #91: Cyd  on  10/18  at  07:13 PM

Republicans:Bradley Effect::Bart:Krusty is coming

Comment #92: Doug H. (Fausto no more)  on  10/18  at  07:17 PM

Mnemosyne wrote:

Are you going to tell me with a straight face that if McCain somehow squeaks by on Election Day that you won’t be even the tiniest bit suspicious?  Or are you going to claim it’s because of the completely mythical “Bradley Effect” that was invented by an incompetent pollster to explain why he screwed up?  (Please note in that story it’s the Republican who supposedly benefited from it saying the Bradley Effect is bogus.  I know you wouldn’t believe it if it were a Democrat.)

As it happens, I saw the “Bradley Effect,” up close and personal, in the 1989 Virginia gubernatorial election.  Doug Wilder was ahead by about 9 to 10 points in the public opinion polls going into the election, and the two other statewide Democratic candidates had large leads as well.  Don Breyer and Mary Sue Terry both won their races by comfortable margins, reasonably in line with the polls, while Mr Wilder won by one half of one percent.  Add to that the fact that Mr Wilder’s opponent, Marshall Coleman, was so bad that even I voted for Mr Wilder!

The Tom Bradley loss was in 1982; Doug Wilder’s very narrow victory was in 1989.  Harvey Gantt’s unexpected loss in Pam Spaulding’s home state was in 1994.  Does that mean that whatever “Bradley Effect” ever existed might be gone by now?  Could be, or might not be.

Comment #93: Dana  on  10/18  at  07:22 PM

Atheist, I do not argue with strawmen.

Cyd on 10/18

Cyd, what are you talking about? I was just showing that your argument was a good one. On one hand, we have a nonprofit NGO called ACORN, which made fifty fraudulent voter registrations that no-one in their right mind would ever have accepted. On the other hand, we have high-level Republican officials who have possibly disenfranchised 10 million people.

So, one side is a small NGO with little money. The other side is a massive, powerful political party with millions of dollars. One side focuses on helping the disadvantaged. The other side focuses on helping the very rich. The NGO created fraud of 50 votes. The Republican party created fraud of 10 million votes.

As I said, I’ll have to agree with you. Because huge crimes by the powerful are nothing, compared to small crimes by blacks and hispanics. What are you talking about, strawmen?

Comment #94: atheist  on  10/18  at  07:35 PM

Also, Cyd, you are abolutely right that its scary when the media lets people know about governmental malfeasance. The media is supposed to be a mouthpiece of the Party, right? We don’t want the media exposing governmental fraud!

Comment #95: atheist  on  10/18  at  07:37 PM

And Eric, attempting to explain away blatant attempts at voter registration fraud and who knows what else as “not as bad” does you no favours.  Your assertion is that ACORN, yeah screws around with registration but they aren’t going to mess with the actual election.  Not a very solid argument.

Now that’s a stupid argument to make.

A) To be serious, there has to be widespread registration problems. Not seen.

B) You’re, once again, conflating registration problems with voting problems. There are several steps in between taking in registration forms and actual voting. You’re totally ignoring them.

C) You’re totally ignoring the possibility that the problems that we’ve seen are from REPUBLICAN instigators, done as an effort to discredit ACORN. A dirty tricks squad is not totally unknown in American politics…

Comment #96: gwangung  on  10/18  at  08:18 PM

Actually, for as much as people thinking of Missouri being the most red state ever, it really isn’t.

No, that was my Flatlander bias.  I’m just assuming a bunch of us crossed the river to see our native son*.  I’m still marveling at the flying pigs that were released after the Tribune and Sun-Times endorsements yesterday.  grin

* Okay, he wasn’t born in Illinois, but neither was Lincoln.  Lincoln didn’t move to Illinois until he was a young adult, either.

Illinois: Adoptive Mother of Presidents?

Comment #97: TLAD  on  10/18  at  08:27 PM

After each debate Matt Drudge ran a reader poll about who won the debate. His numbers broke roughly 75% for McCain/Palin, indicating that his readership is 75% Republican (Because thinking McCain or Palin objectively won any of those debates is like thinking GWB beat Al Gore in their debates). I’ve since switched to obsessively clicking the Drudge Retort every half hour for my news fix.

Comment #98: banisteriopsis  on  10/18  at  08:27 PM

You’re, once again, conflating registration problems with voting problems. There are several steps in between taking in registration forms and actual voting. You’re totally ignoring them.

No shit. It seems pretty obvious to me that the ACORN thing is just a way to preempt news reports about their own actual interference with legitimate voters being allowed to cast a ballot.

Comment #99: banisteriopsis  on  10/18  at  08:33 PM

That’s right, cyd, don the mantle left by KLH.  “Registration” is not voting.  “Registration fraud” is just a red herring trailed by R. operatives to consume D. energies.

We have two possible efforts: a vague and nebulous conspiracy that suggest that ACORN, which is MANDATED by law to turn in all registrations it collects, is systematically turning in fake registrations which will somehow, despite being flagged by ACORN itself, threaten R. campaign chances; versus a well-documented program by R. operatives to disenfranchise tens of thousands ACTUAL voters that are in Democrat demographics.

Congrats: you consumed 2 minutes of my time.  Report to your überfürher for a brownie point.

Comment #100: Eric, Rejector of Memez  on  10/18  at  09:01 PM

It’s a good thing that Robert Kennedy has even less credibility than Greg Palast, or I’d be worried about this.

Remember RK’s bangup job on the mercury-autism connection?

And Palast is like the liberal version of Geraldo Rivera - he’s just embarassing.

Comment #101: mario  on  10/18  at  09:12 PM

Most studies sugget the Bradley Effect died sometime in the early 90s. Ex., it was present in the first Dinkins vs. Giuliani race in 1989, but non-existent in 1993.

It never showed up in the Harold Ford (TN) or Deval Patrick (MA) races, or really in the primary either. I think what ever effect there is will be canceled out.

As for the voter purges, this kind of stuff only “works” in close elections. It’s not going to matter this time as much as it would in say, 2000. McCain and Obama are now tied among white males, a group the Democrats haven’t won a majority of since 1964. That says he’s on track to score a big victory—but only on track. Still work like hell! I was canvassing all day.

Comment #102: Ben D.  on  10/18  at  09:49 PM

Also, in the 80s polling was done by humans. Now it’s done by machines. I bet people are much less worried that a machine might take them to be racist!

Comment #103: Ben D.  on  10/18  at  09:50 PM

Cyd. Cyd. Cyd. Acorn has to turn in even obviously fraudulent sheets. Can you see why?

They’re not allowed to take responsibility for which ones to reject. Which is great. Because then they might be motivated to meddle in politics. Which they can’t. Right now. At all. It’s impossible. They just take the sheets and give them to the government.

Mickey Mouse will receive a check by the state. If he exists, well and good. If he’s, as you claim, fake, then he won’t be able to vote. Do you see why this is the only system that can prevent on the one hand actual fraud and on the other hand disenfranchisement?

I’m serious. Can you see how that works?

Comment #104: Erl  on  10/19  at  01:24 AM

Does that mean that whatever “Bradley Effect” ever existed might be gone by now?

According to a study by Daniel J. Hopkins at the Harvard Dept. of Government, it’s gone (pdf), and was never that powerful to begin with.

Hate to tell you, but you guys are going to have to come up with another cover story for your election theft.

Comment #105: Mnemosyne  on  10/19  at  02:18 AM

1. Raising the alarm about voter suppression is a tricky thing. On the one hand, the people need to know, and hoping it can help people protect themselves. But on the other hand, there have been some surveys that show that rumors and reports of suppression can actually ACT TO SUPPRESS VOTERS. People who have never voted before are already more likely to feel their vote doesn’t count, this just makes it worse.

2. I think it’s extremely irresponsible to imply that we’ve already lost Colorado and Virginia. No we haven’t, and that’s just sky-is-falling talk. For instance, the allegation that 1 in 6 voters was purged from the Colorado rolls - where does that come from? Colorado purges are done at the county level. I know from my work with voter files in other states that it would be incredibly difficult to figure out how many people were purged in such a short period of time.

3. It takes real organization to steal an election. I see no indication that the Republicans have anything resembling an organized campaign.

So, no we shouldn’t let up on the gas. Like Barack said, we want to run through that finish line (sorry, mixing my metaphors). But we want to do this so we can rack up 60 senators and a mandate for President Obama. By all means, fight voter suppression where you see it, but don’t be afraid. Just work flat-out for the next 18 days.

Comment #106: Sarah  on  10/19  at  02:31 AM

I get so SICK of this weak-ass Democratic doom-saying. The Republican party is not as all-powerful as you guys seem to think, and if they try to steal this there will be hell to pay. Try having a little hope, will ya?

Comment #107: Lola  on  10/19  at  05:36 AM

We already know that Bush was ready to declare martial law a couple weeks ago.

Wait…WHAT?  Declare martial law for WHAT?

Did I miss a riot?  For Hurricane Ike?  What?

Do they really think they can declare martial law and get away with it?  Would our army really go along with it?  Halliburton and Blackwater will, but soldiers who have sworn to uphold the Constitution?

if you get liberals all riled up, who knows what they might do?! They might sit down on the sidewalk and start chanting “No blood for Oil”. And nobody wants that.

No, atheist, that’s just where it starts.  If chanting and protesting and negotiating don’t work, and the intellectual elite decide there’s really no other option, liberals fight and fight dirty.  See—Civil War, burning Atlanta et. al. to the ground or WWII, dropping a nuclear bomb on fascists.

Conservatives are chicken-hawks.  They rah-rah wars as long as it’s the poor and the brown sent off to die in them while they and their buddies profiteer.  Liberals, if they get pushed to the point where they believe war is the last and only option, mean it.  It’s a last resort, not a first choice among many options. 

It’s why the chicken hawks push the Liberal = wuss and Liberal = unpatriotic memes so hard.

Piss us off enough, deny the human rights of people enough, push us till we cant come up with any intellectual options, and we’ll burn you to the ground.

Comment #108: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/19  at  03:28 PM

Now that I think about it, I don’t think all of the voter suppression tactics are aimed at winning the election for John McCain at this point.  I think that even the most delusional right-winger knows at some level that the election is lost, and the people actually running the campaign know it better than anyone.

What they’re trying to do is prevent a blowout that would allow Obama to claim a mandate to make sweeping changes.  If he barely gets 270 electoral votes, the Repugs can run around for the next four years whining about how he can’t make the changes because not enough people agree with him.  (The fact that Bush claimed a “mandate” under the same or worse circumstances is, uh, different.  Yeah, different.  Somehow.)  But if Obama wins in a landslide, it’s really going to mute their claim that he doesn’t speak for the American people.

I donated another $40 this morning and I’m going to try and phonebank next weekend.  Let’s see if we can make McCain cry.

Comment #109: Mnemosyne  on  10/19  at  09:24 PM

I think you have to assume that any state with Republicans controlling the polling machines and where Obama doesn’t have at least a 15% lead are going to go to McCain.

The Republicans will use the usual tricks, and more.  Wedge issues like gay marriage on the ballot to increase the turnout of Republican-voting Talebangelicals, or at least allow the GOP to claim that it did.  The claim that Republicans are too shy to state how they really voted at exit polls (as was claimed in 04) to explain the gigantic discrepancy between exit poll and actual vote (anything more than a 1% discrepancy is viewed as signs of ballot-rigging by election monitors around the world).  The “Bradley Effect” will be used to explain as much as a 10% discrepancy between pre-vote polls and actual vote; and between exit polls and actual vote.

I figure you have to have at least a 15% lead in the polls to have a margin too big to be stolen by the various tricks the Republicans will employ.  If they steal the vote with a lead that large it will be so fucking obvious that they will risk even their tame people in the Justice Department launching criminal investigations.

And now the BAD news.

If Obama wins there will be a November surprise that leads to martial law being declared.  The current pResident will remain in power “for the duration of the emergency.”  An emergency that will never end.  What follows is my guess as to the worst it could get…

The Bush maladministration isn’t stupid.  It sure looks that way if you think their objective is to do the best they can for America as a whole.  But once you realize their objective is to grab as much wealth and power as they can at the expense of ordinary Americans, they’re doing a damned good job.  They’re fucking evil but they’re NOT stupid.

Cheney wants to invade Iran to steal its oil.  The US military is pretty much broken.  There’s no way it could take on Iran as well as Iraq and Afghanistan.  Hell, if Iran was smart enough to learn the same lesson from Vietnam that Iraq did, there’s no way the US military could take on Iran even if it had never ventured into Iraq and Afghanistan.  Iran is bigger than Iraq, has about three times the population, has not been starved of funds by sanctions so has a well-equipped military, and has a terrain better suited for guerilla tactics than Iraq.  But Cheney still wants to invade it, and Cheney is NOT stupid.

Several months ago, steps were taken to move those aspects of federal government essential to running the country under martial law to 30 miles outside of DC in case a terrorist attack took out DC.  The Pentagon staff have not been moved.

Much has been made of Cheney spending lots of time in his undisclosed secret location.  Much has been made of Bush spending a hell of a lot of time in Crawford.  So nobody would be surprised if those two were away from DC when something bad happened in DC.


Put it all together and this comes up as a scenario.  A nuke goes off in DC.  Martial law is declared and Dubya effectively becomes president for life.  There is no Congress left to challenge that.  There is no Supreme Court left to challenge that (even Bush appointees might have doubts about President-for-life Dubya the First).  There are no generals left to mount a military coup to restore democracy.  Dubya and Cheney, of course, survive, because Dubya was in Crawford and Cheney was in his hidey-hole.  When the crater cools enough for some idiot in an NBC suit to inspect, at ground-zero are found a set of Iranian army dogtags (just as a passport was found on top of the 9-11 rubble).  Since nukes were used, the US is entitled to respond in kind (as per long-standing doctrine).  Where, oh where, could the Iranians be hiding their nukes?  Under their military bases, of course, which get nuked.

So Dick ‘n’ Dubya get imperial powers through martial law.  Iran’s military is nuked to glowing cinders and so can be invaded relatively easily (even potential guerillas will realize that the only places in Iran safe from being nuked are the oilfields).

Actually, Dubya might be in DC at the time.  Or, if his father is feeling generous, will be elsewhere but said to have been in DC at the time.  JEB, not Dubya, was a member of PNAC and must be assumed to have been the preferred presidential candidate (JEB lost his first try at governor of Florida whereas Dubya won his try, at the same time, for the figurehead position of governor of Texas).  If so, Cheney nominates JEB as VP, then resigns on health grounds.  And JEB probably nominates Il Douchebag Mooselini as VP.

This is so fucking depressing, because these scumbags are very likely to do it.  I find myself almost hoping that Obama loses because having McInsane as pResident may be fractionally less bad than the alternative.

Comment #110: Brian de Ford  on  10/20  at  08:29 PM
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