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Wingnut outrage, but over what she doesn’t even know

Thanks to Sir Charles for pointing me to this hilarious spaz of an op-ed by Kathleen Parker.  If you really want to understand the wingnut mind, you have to really, truly understand that male power over women’s bodies is a holy principle to them, second only to the love of pissing off liberals.  (By the way, thanks to AJ Kandy for tweeting me this link suggesting that the love of angering other people for no good reason has been measured, and related to hormone levels, though I’m cautious about making causal claims.)  You really see it on Pam’s post about the Freeper reaction to Mary Cheney’s pregnancy—-this visceral anger about pregnancy existing outside of their own model of it as a man’s conquest of a female body and demonstration of his virility upon that body.  The cock is all-powerful in the wingnut imagination, and suggestions to the contrary are rejected angrily.  Even when those suggestions to the contrary aren’t actually made with any strong feminist intent—-I imagine Mary Cheney and her partner simply want another child—-it’s spun as some childish rejection of male authority and control.

Anyway, few people understand the importance of Cock Power better than wingnut welfare recipient Kathleen Parker, who never met a rapist she wouldn’t shield from the vicious attacks by uppity feminists.  If you don’t believe me, here’s some reading on how date rapists are being unfairly treated and how a man shouldn’t have to stop having sex with a woman just because she says no and how rapists and sexual harassers are the real victims, of women who tempt them by being rape-able.  For the commenter who left the maudlin comment about where I got the idea that conservatives don’t care about rape, I would ask him to ask Kathleen Parker that question. 

Parker knows what her audience wants to hear—-that mere women should not get in the way of Cock Power—-and she delivers it with enthusiasm to spare.  So I was unsurprised to see her jumping on the scolding pile-on aimed at Penelope Trunk for having the nerve not only to be relieved that her body rejected the all-powerful male essence before she had to pay a doctor to do it for her, but that she tweeted it, demonstrating that she didn’t even feel ashamed that her body was not a better passive recipient for Cock Power.

For those of us in a less batshit frame of mind, pregnancy is about potential, specifically the potential to have children.  And potential invites a variety of reactions, all valid.  When a door opens and you don’t want it open, it’s valid to shut it.  If you’re ambivalent, it’s valid to be relieved if it closes on its own.  If you want to shut it, but something else does it for you, then it’s acceptable to be relieved.  If you wanted the opportunity, but it was snatched from you, it’s fine to grieve, even if you know there’s going to be more chances.  We grasp this when it comes to job opportunities, education, relationships, etc.  All of these things are great sometimes, bad sometimes, middling sometimes, and it’s not only important that people have choices, but the right to feel what they do about taking one path and not another, or having paths shut off for them. 


But pregnancy is all muddled up by the matter of Cock Power, and how some men and their female enablers unabashedly see pregnancy more as a demonstration of male power over women than anything else.  Grasping this makes it surprisingly easy to predict how bunched up people will get over the issue of abortion.  Parker herself doesn’t quite even know why she’s outraged that Trunk was nonchalant about her miscarriage.

Where, oh, where is Flannery O’Connor when we need her? If she were still roaming around Milledgeville, we can be fairly certain she wouldn’t be tweeting. But one might hope that O’Connor would put pen to paper and expose today’s sideshow for what it is. Once asked why the grotesque is so alive in the South, the author said it’s because Southerners can still recognize a freak.

Except she obviously doesn’t think that Trunk is a mere freakshow (which she is most definitely not), because Parker dedicated an entire WaPo editorial to this incident.  She’s stabbing in the general direction of disapproving of this woman on the grounds that she was somehow inadequately concerned—-after all, one should be angry at one’s body for not cooperating with Cock Power, I suppose—-but she’s not quite sure what the crime is here. After all, the problem with miscarriage is that it’s not a deliberate rejection of Cock Power, and so it doesn’t really rate wingnut ire or faux concern, like abortion does, even though the result is the same. Indiscretion?  That’s the most she can land on.

Perhaps some women do need more information about miscarriage, though it seems probable that those following twitterers and blogs know how to mine the Internet for information. Or, you know, they could talk to their doctor/mother/grandmother/aunt. Pick up the phone?

Of course, that misses the point.  The information women are seeking is cues on whether their feelings are legitimate.  And knowing that other women don’t feel guilty, and may even feel relieved about miscarriage, is information that a lot of women might want to have.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 06:41 PM • (49) Comments

Parker is offended that Trunk isn’t ashamed of having ladybits.  She should hide herself when she (whisper) menstruates(/whisper) and certainly not ANNOUNCE that she’s cramping for any reason whatsoever that might make one think of (whisper) sex(/whisper)

Think of the children!  They might be looking over your shoulder and see that someone is NOT having a baby!  And isn’t mourning!

I’m just seriously sick of an America that doesn’t even have the courage to have a fictitious abortion storyline on TV shows, much less have an adult conversation about abortion that doesn’t insist that all women must want all potential babies at all times, and if they lose them, whatever the cause (except adoption), they must mourn forever.

Sometimes a miscarriage is a good thing.  Sometimes it’s a bad thing.  Sometimes the same woman can feel differently about miscarriages at different points in her life, and have both emotions be valid.

Comment #1: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/07  at  07:13 PM

Good lord.

Regardless of one’s moral position, it can’t be convincingly argued that abortion and miscarriage are mere medical conditions ... there’s a life force at work that no woman who aims to give birth will deny.

Baby-wanting women want babies. Huh. This is stellar argumentating. What about those women who, you know, don’t want babies? Oh, right, they don’t exist and/or count, because of What About the Men. Who want babies, except for those ones who don’t, and then that hussy trapped him with her magical womb.

And Amanda, contrary to what the commentator whine-asked, you’ve made it very clear that you think conservatives care about rape (and their right to commit it/have it committed upon themselves) a lot. Which they do.

Comment #2: the duck-billed placelot  on  10/07  at  07:15 PM

Baby-wanting women want babies. Huh. This is stellar argumentating. What about those women who, you know, don’t want babies? Oh, right, they don’t exist and/or count, because of What About the Men. Who want babies, except for those ones who don’t, and then that hussy trapped him with her magical womb.

And what about those of us who wanted babies, had them, and now absolutely, positively, really, really don’t want any more.  Ever.  Just because I wanted kids at one point in my life doesn’t mean that I must always want them at all times no matter what.  And, just to make it extra complicated for them, not wanting more doesn’t make me love the ones I do have any less.  Except in crazy land apparently it does.

Comment #3: ks  on  10/07  at  07:26 PM

When I was trying to get pregnant and had my first couple of miscarriages, the thing that was probably the most harmful to me was this general idea that you shouldn’t talk about early pregnancy and pregnancy loss.  There’s a general convention that is somehow transmitted that a pregnant woman shouldn’t tell anyone until they’re out of the first trimester, because if the pregnancy doesn’t take, then you’ll have to explain it to people. 

The idea might be that you don’t want to have to cause yourself more pain, but I think it’s probably that you’re not supposed to make people feel uncomfortable.  I became more open about my pregnancies even though I knew how they were likely to turn out, in part because it helped me and also because it seemed good for more people to be aware of this as a part of life.  Pregnancies are, as you say, potential life.  Lots can go wrong.  Miscarriages should not be things you feel you have to hide, and women should be able to react to them and deal with them in the way that makes sense for them.

Comment #4: Azelie  on  10/07  at  07:30 PM

The woman who tweeted her miscarriage has had two wanted children, and she wrote touchingly of a miscarriage she grieved while trying to have a baby. 


She’s living proof that this isn’t a Good Women (maternal, asexual) vs. Bad Women (childless, sexual) thing.  It’s about the fact that women are people, and their feelings are influenced by a number of factors.

Comment #5: Amanda Marcotte  on  10/07  at  07:33 PM

@ks What? There’s another category of women?

Obviously, you do love them less, your children, because if your quiver isn’t full, then you are selfishly retaining some of your love/energy/resources for the ones you have, and the bible tells us that god’s love is boundless, so by denying god’s love, you are putting a boundary on it, so you have less of it than you would have had otherwise, because you are just a vessel for god, and he will fill your quiver with his boundless love, which will make your quiver boundless, and also your bank account. Too.

Is that right? Maybe I’m missing some essential wingnuttia logic there. I always got so squicked out by the religious erotica that i stopped listening.

Comment #6: the duck-billed placelot  on  10/07  at  07:37 PM

Oh the pearl clutching in Parker’s editorial.  Good fucking grief.  If we ever needed an explanation for why women generally don’t talk about miscarriages, there it is.

Comment #7: GeekGirlsRule  on  10/07  at  07:38 PM

“The information women are seeking is cues on whether their feelings are legitimate.  And knowing that other women don’t feel guilty, and may even feel relieved about miscarriage, is information that a lot of women might want to have.”

...which is exactly why we must deny them this information, if we are to remain a great and Godly country!

...or some such rot.

Having been raised in a religious culture that is/was obsessed over control of information as a way to control behavior, I can testify that shit stinks.  If you are afraid of uncontrolled access to information, that tells us a lot more about the strength of your convictions and the logic of your philosophy than it does about the information you’re afraid of…

Comment #8: MikeEss  on  10/07  at  07:46 PM

In Parkerland, the problem with twitter is that tweet readers are insufficiently judgmental. How can you think of what the neighbors might say when the neighbors are not inclined to say anything? Beef up the public morals and bring back hypocrisy.

But I do agree with the TMI point of view—I don’t know who her followers are but I, personally, do not care to know about the state of her reproductive system, just as I do not care to know about the state of her GI tract. But, with the advent of social networking we willingly decided to open our private lives to the entire world.

Comment #9: Hector B.  on  10/07  at  07:55 PM

Well, you know, Hector, if you’re not one of her Twitter followers, you do not ever need to hear about the state of her reproductive system. So the TMI is what?

Parker’s not simply playing to an audience; she’s made it abundantly clear that she dislikes women and sees herself as the only female worthy of the glorious presence of the superior, male half of the species.

Comment #10: mythago  on  10/07  at  08:14 PM

you do not ever need to hear about the state of her reproductive system.

You’d think so, wouldn’t you? But the news went kaboinging over the net, and even reached the ears of the dreaded Kathleen Parker.

Comment #11: Hector B.  on  10/07  at  08:33 PM

News that people do not willingly put out on Twitter goes “kaboinging over the net”, too. Your point is what, again?

Comment #12: mythago  on  10/07  at  08:38 PM

I really dislike knowing that people feel lust for Dave Letterman.  Big deal.  People aren’t obligated to not share things about themselves just because other people don’t care. 

And now, a Dirty Dancing quote:  “I’m sorry you had to see that, Baby.  Sometimes, in this world, you see things you don’t want to see.”

Comment #13: Rachel,II  on  10/07  at  08:41 PM

And what about those of us who wanted babies, had them, and now absolutely, positively, really, really don’t want any more.  Ever.

Seriously.  All these fucking waiting periods are to give women a chance to think about the fact that they are carrying A BABY.  That if they don’t end the pregnancy, there will be a BABY here.

why they fuck do they think women want abortions?  It’s because they don’t want the baby.  Not this particular baby, at any rate.

Parker’s just upset that Trunk isn’t ashamed at not wanting more children and that more people aren’t shunning her and treating her like the heartless harlot she is for not wanting to have more baybeeez.

Comment #14: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/07  at  08:46 PM

There’s some serious level of non-empathy going on there… Relief that a pregnancy that would’ve been terminated came to an end naturally?  That’s bad?  WTF!  I thought prayers being answered they were okay with.

And the harassment.  Man, I don’t care who you are, if you tell me you’re flight sick, morning sick, whatever, I’m gonna switch seats with you.  Or tired, back aching, whatever, if I can, I’ll stand, because I can.  If I can’t, I’ll tell you why and apologize.  If I’m just tired, look, I’ll still do it, ‘cause WTF man.

Twittering a miscarriage… I find that on par with message saying ‘I broke my toe’ and a broadcast message about it is probably relevant because it means they will/wont be available for interaction!  WTF, I really do think twittering about a minor health emergency is probably worth breaking the code of it prolly not being okay to twitter in a meeting. (or movie, or whatever.  Emergency over normal convention, assuming it’s important.)

Comment #15: Crissa  on  10/07  at  09:04 PM

(I don’t think I’m out of line thinking a miscarriage is slightly more important than a gastrointestinal effect.  It involves blood and bleeding and often a trip to the Urgent Care center to make sure nothing is stuck and or unstuck in a bad way.  Yeah, you could die from a tummy ache, but the number of tummy upsets to the number of deaths is far different.  You don’t say TMI when someone says, ‘I need to visit a doctor,’ do you?)

Comment #16: Crissa  on  10/07  at  09:11 PM

I find it vaguely amusing that Parker is whining on the internet about something on the internet, because that thing on the internet wasn’t whiny enough to be on the internet.

Comment #17: Princess Rot  on  10/07  at  09:12 PM

Good Lord! I wonder what Parker would make of of the conduct of my dearest buddy, C.L. Jersy, the “psycho earth mother from hell.” (C.L. stands for “Crazy Lady.” among other things)

After 3 home births in six years while managing a small organic produce operation. and getting back into her previously successful antique business, C.L. was late….really late.  Her husband had recently left for Dominican Republic, finishing up his doctorate…and C.L. was left to handle family and rural life solo for five months.

She was heartsick. Her voice breaking, she told me that there was no good reason to end this “possible” pregnancy…she couldn’t justify it to herself, let alone others. I tiptoed around the A word, suggesting that she already gave so much to others, that she was “justified” in considering her own needs for a change. She could only shake her head. This was different. Her abortion at seventeen was the equivalent of “wart removal.”  No regrets and no apologies. This was different. As the days went by, the fierce and indomitable C.L. seemed to be dissolving before my eyes. When she called and asked me to pick up a PT for her, she seemed resigned to the future.

The day was gray, rain was coming…and I pulled up the gravel driveway as the first drops fell. C.L. burst from the farmhouse, leaping on me. yelling at the top of her lungs…“I’m bleeding like a stuck pig, I’m bleeding, I’m bleeding.” And the rain came harder, and we danced together, round and round, her joy lifting us both, and the rain soaked us, and still we danced like lunatics, hugging… then pirouetting, hugging again. My girl was back!  C.L. belonged to herself again.

Yeah…I wonder what Parker would make of this.

Comment #18: anniehunter  on  10/07  at  09:12 PM

For the life of me, I cannot understand the relevance of the Battle of Menin Road to Kathleen Parker peral-clutching about discussing miscarriages.  Unless, you know, you’re making a comment about the entire nation of Australia, in which case I throughly approve…

Comment #19: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/07  at  09:15 PM

Parker is one of the premier members of the Woman Police. More specifically, she’s the trusty, the one who lives among the women but sucks up relentlessly to the men in the hope of gaining favors and the knowledge that she’s special, unlike those other filthy sluts.

What Kathleen Parker really resents is that anyone would have a sexual/reproductive life without requiring, or even particularly caring about, Kathleen Parker’s approval. Just like the rest of them. They give themselves away when they talk about wishing for the good old days when shaming people over behavior that was none of her business meant something. Conservatives don’t know how to order their lives unless they get to hate and shame somebody.

Comment #20: sophronia  on  10/07  at  09:17 PM

Make that “pearl-clutching” and “thoroughly”.  Cf previous comments comparing typing to sex-life.

[Bangs head]

Comment #21: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  10/07  at  09:18 PM

Oh, I would have known had to deal with the assholes who didn’t want to give me the aisle seat when I had morning sickness.

“Well, okay, if you don’t mind me throwing up on you, I don’t mind either.”

And I’d make it a point to upchuck on their nice suits, or if I couldn’t manager that, I’d be sure gag a little each time I climbed over ‘em.

Just to keep ‘em nervous.

Comment #22: judybrowni  on  10/07  at  09:59 PM

I’m surprised that no one’s touched on the reason WHY Trunk was relieved about her miscarriage- e.g, that otherwise she’d have to go through a lot of trouble to get an abortion. Forgive me if I’m stating the obvious, but I think it’s outrageous that women have to wait three weeks for an abortion in Wisconsin. I don’t blame her for being relieved she won’t have to go through all that red tape.

Comment #23: Thessa Mercury  on  10/07  at  10:04 PM

I knew this was best left in your hands.

Jesus, you weren’t kidding about Parker being a rape apologist.  What appalling bullshit.

Comment #24: Sir Charles  on  10/07  at  10:15 PM

there’s a life force at work that no woman who aims to give birth will deny.

Dammit, when the hell are we as a species going to finally jettison vitalist bullshit?

Comment #25: themann1086  on  10/07  at  10:18 PM

Yeah…I wonder what Parker would make of this.

 

She’d say the shame and depression CL felt were appropriate, and that the dancing, well, she just doesn’t know why, but that was wrong.

Comment #26: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  10/07  at  10:27 PM

Any time this wingnut obsession with sex and reproduction comes up, I have one question that I would like to see honestly answered:

Can someone explain how life on Earth would be better if there were many more humans? 

I would think, at this point, the aim isn’t/shouldn’t-be to reproduce at even higher rates than we already do, the aim is/should-be to have a stable human population that can exist without destroying Earth’s ecology.

Or maybe I think that because I’m a dirty fucking hippie tree-hugging socialist…

Comment #27: MikeEss  on  10/07  at  10:36 PM

Some of the comments on Penelope Trunk’s blog are downright bizarre, trying to shame her in other ways because obviously she isn’t ashamed to admit to having and ending an unwanted pregnancy.  One woman wanted to know what SHE was supposed to be taking away from Trunk’s story, because of course every event in someone’s life is meant to be a lesson for someone else.  Some crazy guy (whose ramblings I admittedly skimmed) starting off upbraiding her for having a target audience that didn’t include him.  It’s like some weird kind of “gotcha!” game played by petulant children.

Comment #28: Fiona  on  10/07  at  10:39 PM

“Relief that a pregnancy that would’ve been terminated came to an end naturally?  That’s bad?  WTF!  I thought prayers being answered they were okay with.”

Wait a second, god aborted her baby? old dog learns new trick.

Comment #29: pharmakos  on  10/07  at  11:14 PM

How many children does Parker have? I’m curious how full her quiver is.

Comment #30: Seebach  on  10/07  at  11:34 PM

Speaking of men controlling women’s bodies, it’s been 15 years since the Violence Against Women Act was passed, and 5 years since a some old men of the Supreme Court (enabled by O’Connor) decided that much of VAWA was unconstitutional. 

Why do we rarely hear anyone floating the idea of giving the Equal Rights Amendment another shot?  We certainly still need it.  Do we not think it could pass yet?  Seriously, where did this issue go?

Comment #31: BABH  on  10/07  at  11:51 PM

Parker is one of the premier members of the Woman Police. More specifically, she’s the trusty, the one who lives among the women but sucks up relentlessly to the men in the hope of gaining favors and the knowledge that she’s special, unlike those other filthy sluts.

She’s one of the Aunts in A Handmaid’s Tale.

Comment #32: DonnaDiva  on  10/08  at  01:55 AM

Dammit, when the hell are we as a species going to finally jettison vitalist bullshit?

When we finally figure out that a) we can tame the breeding instinct just as we do every other one we have, b) no, parenting actually doesn’t make you a better person, more mature, give you special insights into the human condition, etc. and c) it’s not the only way to get someone to “really” love you.

Comment #33: DonnaDiva  on  10/08  at  02:02 AM

pharma, I don’t believe in god, but that’s apparently the term for things that happen naturally - god induced incidents.  Things most insurances don’t protect against or whatever.

Comment #34: Crissa  on  10/08  at  05:31 AM

“The idea might be that you don’t want to have to cause yourself more pain, but I think it’s probably that you’re not supposed to make people feel uncomfortable.”

I doubt the latter’s even that high on the list, honestly.  Pretty much every loss-of-a-pregnancy-everyone-knew-about story I’ve ever heard or read came ended with “And then I had to put up with gross stupidity and insensitivity from every fourth person and actual blame from every tenth while trying to work through my own feelings.”

Comment #35: preying mantis  on  10/08  at  08:40 AM

preying matins:  You nailed it. That’s exactly why there is a right to privacy, to keep people from being blamed by others or being forced to listen to their stupid, pitying comments about the outcome of your pregnancy.

The anti-choice movement is filled with people who have projected their rage over their own life’s disappointments onto others. As a pro-choice person I cannot do the same. In the exact same circumstances, Trunk felt relieved, but I felt miserable. That isn’t Trunk’s fault and Parker should respect her choice by minding her own damn business.

Comment #36: DC Fem  on  10/08  at  10:11 AM

Can someone explain how life on Earth would be better if there were many more humans?

The only argument I’ve heard is that we need to make more young people to take care of all the old people, or people who will be old in the future.  It’s like the world’s biggest pyramid scheme.

Comment #37: bananacat  on  10/08  at  10:15 AM

“Can someone explain how life on Earth would be better if there were many more humans?”

Feminism could save the human race. Religious anti-abortion/contraception bullshit could destroy it. These facts are useful in calculating the relative morality and good sense of each ideology, IMO.

“She’s one of the Aunts in A Handmaid’s Tale.”

When her dream job doesn’t yet exist in reality, it certainly shows drive and can-do spirit that she’s trying to push the world to create it.

Comment #38: witless chum  on  10/08  at  10:16 AM

Good on Connick.  After the Emma Thompson signing the “free the child rapist” petition kick to the stomach, seeing a respectable celebrity is something of a surprise.

Comment #39: Gypsy Lee  on  10/08  at  10:24 AM

Obviously, you do love them less, your children, because if your quiver isn’t full, then you are selfishly retaining some of your love/energy/resources for the ones you have, and the bible tells us that god’s love is boundless, so by denying god’s love, you are putting a boundary on it, so you have less of it than you would have had otherwise, because you are just a vessel for god, and he will fill your quiver with his boundless love, which will make your quiver boundless, and also your bank account. Too.

Is that right? Maybe I’m missing some essential wingnuttia logic there. I always got so squicked out by the religious erotica that i stopped listening.

That’s some pretty impressive contorting you’ve got going on there.  I think you have it just about right.

Comment #40: ks  on  10/08  at  12:05 PM

Make that “pearl-clutching” and “thoroughly”.  Cf previous comments comparing typing to sex-life.

too busy with the eats, roots, & leaves eh?

Can someone explain how life on Earth would be better if there were many more humans?

Well obviously there’s a shortage at the moment, can’t you tell? Look around, there’s hardly any pink* people around, right? so we need lots more of them


*aka white, for reasons that pass my understanding, except when I visit a Brighton beach

Comment #41: firefall  on  10/08  at  12:06 PM

Why is Ms Parker taking my valuable manly time away from contemplating how manly it is to with-hold my manly efforts as a manly captain of industry with her blather?  Can’t she just find some man to take her away from the tedium of her playing at being a “career” woman and let her get back to what GOD and man intended; making manly babies and cooking dinner?  Preferably without shoes or talking or any of that other stuff it is that manly men have decided she doesn’t need?

Comment #42: cynickal  on  10/08  at  02:09 PM

I love that Parker and the offended commenters seem to assume that Trunk tweets specifically FOR THEM (and that they couldn’t just log off Twitter).  It’s very similar to the anti-choice argument that “so many people would love to have that baby” - i.e., they seem to think that they have a right to someone else’s offspring.  It’s an awfully entitled mindset for those anti-entitlement folks.

Comment #43: Kirjava  on  10/08  at  02:46 PM

Your point is what, again?

People voluntarily broadcast details about their personal life that I don’t want to know, yet I can’t escape hearing about, short of disconnecting from the Internet completely. I suspect that the distinction between private information and public information disappears once one’s followers, or Facebook friends, or readers, or commenters, or recipients of any kind of information from you, reaches a certain large number.

The only thing anyone keeps secret any more is if they are going to turn left or right at an intersection, or if they are going to go straight instead. I wish twitter were hooked up to their turn signals.

Comment #44: Hector B.  on  10/08  at  04:05 PM

Hey she sounds like Kathy Roipe! Misogyny really does bring both side together doesn’t it?

Comment #45: pitbullgirl65  on  10/08  at  05:01 PM

I followed that link to the article “defending date rapists,” and I have to admit that that particular case is a little troubling if the facts as she described them are accurate (which, knowing the source, is quite the dubious proposition.) I tried to look up other writings about this case, but couldn’t find anything other than links to Parker herself and a couple of wingnut blogs bitching about it. I’d be really curious as to how the prosecution would bother trying the case twice (the first trial resulted in a hung jury) and how he could have been convicted by a jury unless there were far more to the story.

Comment #46: Epsilon82  on  10/08  at  05:12 PM

Seebach @30, doing the math, she has two sons by two different men. At least, she’s married now, and in one of her columns she bleated about how the proper role of older women is to serve as childcare providers, because when she was the divorced single mother of an infant she hired some older woman and that was totes OK, unlike those career sluts who leave their children to be cared for by strangers.

Comment #47: mythago  on  10/08  at  06:06 PM

duck-billed (2):

What about those women who, you know, don’t want babies? Oh, right, they don’t exist and/or count, because of What About the Men.

Women don’t want things. Every misogynist knows that.

Caren (14):

All these fucking waiting periods are to give women a chance to think about the fact that they are carrying A BABY.  That if they don’t end the pregnancy, there will be a BABY here.

Do you really think so? I suspect the intent is to make abortion more inconvenient and therefore reduce the number of abortions without having to entertain the notion that women are people, but I suppose it’s not impossible that’s just a happy but unintended consequence.

Comment #48: Hershele Ostropoler  on  10/09  at  09:17 PM

Thanks to Sir Charles for pointing me to this hilarious spaz of an op-ed by Kathleen Parker.

Why, in 2009, do I have to find this crap in places that are supposedly peopled by progressive thinkers?  Please stop using ableist language.  God, I just finished reading through MRA crap without batting an eyelash and I come over here for a break and to catch up on articles and I can hardly type for tears because offensive words against people I love are still fair game in places that should be on our side.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/spaz

Comment #49: Anpan  on  10/13  at  03:20 PM
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