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Wingnuts making atheists; or how Doug Powers’s penis disproves global warming

Via Media Matters comes one of those stories that really drives home how much you have to, if you’re a modern conservative, completely switch off your brain so that no evidence or reason ever penetrates.  And just in time for the holiday season, too! Here is the story that kicked off the stupid-fest:

Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of the U.N. Framework Convention on Climate Change, invoked the ancient jaguar goddess Ixchel in her opening statement to delegates gathered in Cancun, Mexico, noting that Ixchel was not only goddess of the moon, but also “the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving. May she inspire you—because today, you are gathered in Cancun to weave together the elements of a solid response to climate change, using both reason and creativity as your tools.”

Doug Powers at Michelle Malkin’s blog had the best possible response ever to this little rhetorical flourish.

When you’re pushing a myth, there’s no more appropriate entity to pray to than a mythical goddess.

Seventeen words, three lies—-two direct lies, one implied.  That’s not a wingnut record, but a nice contender in terms of packing bullshit into minimal space.  Well-played, Powers!  Let’s take these lies one at a time.

1) Global warming is a “myth”.  This one is kind of awesome, because it’s an exact reversal of the truth.  The conspiracy theory that would have you believe the vast majority of the world’s scientists have colluded to falsify data and create an elaborate lie about global warming is hard enough to believe just on the organizational level, but the assumption that their motivation was to steal your penis-substitute SUV makes it even better.  I would actually say that it’s harder to believe that this could happen than there’s a moon goddess of reason, and I’m a pretty hardcore atheist.  But as Christian apologists are always whining, you can’t prove a negative—-there could be a teapot in space, an invisible dragon in my kitchen, and a Mayan moon goddess.  But you can disprove the assertion that global warming is a myth, due to the overwhelming amount of that stuff that we in the field of knowing how to use our brains call “evidence”. 

2) Christiana Figueres and her “moonbat” coalition actually intend to pray to Ixchel.  If you can read, you’ll see the problem with this assertion.  Figueres said, at least according to this report, that you should be inspired by Ixchel.  This is what those of us in the field on knowing-how-to-read call an “allusion”: “Allusions are often indirect or brief references to well-known characters or events….. Allusions are often used to summarize broad, complex ideas or emotions in one quick, powerful image.”  Allusions to mythological figures are a common rhetorical flourish.  If Figueres, for instance, was Greek, she could have made a similar speech asking her audience to be inspired by the ancient Greek goddess of reason, Athena.  This likely wouldn’t have created nearly as much snickering on the right, however, because Athena has a long history of being referred to in European literature.  Once you get the white people literary allusion blessing, I guess you’re not as funny any more.  So extra points deducted for using racism to bolster your non-argument.

3) That Ixchel is a myth, but Jesus is totally real.  This isn’t stated, but implied in the context of a wingnut landscape that involves lots of screeching about the “War on Christmas”. (Malkin is a consistent warrior on behalf of the belief that someone is trying to steal Christmas from her.)  The amount of proof that a god was born to a human virgin, sacrificed his life to save all of mankind from paying for a woman who ate an apple, and rose three days after dying is equal to the amount of proof that a moon goddess gave birth to 13 sons, two of whom created heaven and earth.  Which is to say, there is no proof of either. Apply reason and logic to both stories, and they are equal.  Except that the former is more obviously misogynist in its summary, so I suppose some wingnuts would see that as “proof”, but by actual logic standards, it’s not. 

I would generally caution people who are so gung-ho about believing in Jeebus to carefully consider if they want to even acknowledge, much less deny, other beliefs.  The realization that other people believe something you’ve always believed wasn’t true—-whether it’s that a moon goddess blesses childbirth or that heaven involves virgin-boinking—-is often the first step to looking at your own beliefs with a critical eye.  Skepticism about other supernatural claims puts more people on the path to atheism than any other factor, I’d guess.  For people invested in keeping believers believing, the smartest stance is to pretend no one has ever actually had a belief other than yours.

But Powers did write more than one sentence in his post, so the stupidity doesn’t stop there!  While this statement fails on the test of packing as many lies as he can into minimal space, I liked it for just general dickwaddery. 

Here’s an image of Ixchel found on a Wikipedia page. If Helen Thomas and Code Pink had a love child…

That’s some top-notch argumentation there!  Powers doesn’t find that this ancient drawing of a goddess makes his dick hard, therefore neener neener neener.  That Ixchel is no looker!  She’s nothing like the Virgin Mary.

Now there’s a fine piece of ass—-she could almost be a Fox News anchor, if she just submitted to the bleach bottle.  Either way, Powers would totally stick it to her.  What other proof do you need?  Powers and his penis’s reaction to religious art is far better evidence in the argument over whether global warming is real than all those stupid scientists and their dumb numbers and measurements.

And, in one of my favorite wingnut tics, Powers basically contradicts his already silly argument:

In any case, it looks as if Ixchel is smiling on the Cancun Summit attendees:

Let’s see how this works.  Global warming isn’t real because there’s a moon goddess that Powers totally wouldn’t stick it to, which means that liberals are ugly and sexless.  But global warming also isn’t real because people who accept the evidence have fun at parties, which you, the embittered wingnuts, are jealous of because that’s certainly not the life you’re living.  Liberals are evil because they’re no fun/too fun.  And that makes global warming not real.  If he’s only have called the attendees hipsters, I think we would have had a real contender for the contest of what wingnut post best exemplifies using button-pushing on an audience of embittered assholes with insecurity complexes over actual reason.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 10:34 AM • (71) Comments

Interesting that a moon goddess is associated with rationality.  Even before the rise of monotheism, the moon wasn’t considered to be linked with reason in European myths, was it?  I know nothing about Mayan mythology, but that seems cool.

Comment #1: bomberE  on  12/06  at  12:13 PM

Have you ever notices that the UN Climate pickpockets are mostly concerned with how climate change is ravaging third world countries, but they never have their summits in those areas?
Doug’s got a point! Obviously the extremely rich country of Mexico will be able to handle any problems that a warmer world will hand to it. And you know where else is a location that absolutely is not part of the third world? Kenya!
United Nations Climate Change Conference (Nairobi, Kenya, 6-17 November 2006)
Yup. Them UN climate folks only like hanging out in first world countries. Probably because they, unlike conservatives, hate poor non-white people.

Comment #2: artiofab  on  12/06  at  12:15 PM

The irony is that most these people invoke Ayn Rand as one of their ideological inspiration, but she invoked Atlas for the name of her book Atlas Shrugged.  Atlas is of course a Greek god.

Comment #3: Albert Cirrus  on  12/06  at  12:30 PM

Well, yes, Albert, but that’s a European god.  So we can be reasonable about the allusion.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/06  at  12:32 PM

In (2), the phrase ” In Figueres, for instance” should be “If Figueres…”.

Comment #5: topometropolis  on  12/06  at  12:38 PM

I’m going to play a little devils advocate here.  The bog post at WaPo says that she “invoked” Ixchel.  While “invoke” has several definitions, the more common ones relate to prayer.  From dictionary.com: 

in·voke
   /ɪnˈvoʊk/ Show Spelled[in-vohk] Show IPA
–verb (used with object), -voked, -vok·ing.
1.
to call for with earnest desire; make supplication or pray for: to invoke God’s mercy.
2.
to call on (a deity, Muse, etc.), as in prayer or supplication.
3.
to declare to be binding or in effect: to invoke the law; to invoke a veto.
. . .

I think this was sloppy journalism more than anything.  The quote in the post seems to indicate that she didn’t actually pray to Ixchel, but I don’t think I know what the speaker actually said or what actually happened at the speech.  So, sloppy journalism that lets right wingers go crazy.

Second, I just want to ask when is a powerful car/SUV not a penis substitute?  What if it’s just fun to drive and you’re not trying to represent something?  There is no way to stop other people from adding their own views of you when you buy a car, or any other thing, but why do we assume that sports cars and SUVs are always some form of compensation?  I mean, what if someone bought a sports car, drove it like a compact during the week, i.e. in a non-dickish manner, and then raced it on the weekend?

Anyway, yes, I am thinking about buying a new car, and I will probably buy something that is fun to drive.  I don’t drive all that much—meaning I don’t feel the need to buy a subcompact that gets amazing mileage—and right now I have an absolute dog of a vehicle.  I don’t see why I shouldn’t be able to get a car that is enjoyable without surrendering some liberal bona fides.

Comment #6: Reece  on  12/06  at  12:40 PM

Jesus is invoked all the time, but he was neither white or European (or might not have actually existed at all.)

Comment #7: Albert Cirrus  on  12/06  at  12:45 PM

Sometimes a car is just a car.

Comment #8: bomberE  on  12/06  at  12:46 PM

I think it becomes a dick substitute when you make fun of others for driving smaller cars than you.

The amount of abuse I got from guys when I drove my parents SMART fortwo was fairly impressive.

Comment #9: Left_Wing_Fox  on  12/06  at  12:49 PM

Because sports cars and SUVs are almost always a form of compensation.  Mini’s are more fun to drive than most affordable sports cars.  SUVs became a substitute for the minivan when that became too feminized.

Comment #10: Robert  on  12/06  at  12:51 PM

Ah, there’s that projection thing again.

When the TeaPartier nonsense was being bandied about over DWTS, the TP’ers were convinced Teh Libruls were going spare over the results - Now, the sight of a bunch of Liberals having what looks like a fun time in Cancun is driving the wingers nuts - with envy.

Not only do we party hearty, we don’t give a stuff what the Right thinks.

Which drives them crazy.  And they can’t stop thinking about us.

Comment #11: attack_laurel  on  12/06  at  12:53 PM

Copy editing is a chore for me.  I’m always fascinated by people who do it for free.

Comment #12: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/06  at  01:04 PM

Reece, I have nothing to say but that the literalism you use in order to do a completely pointless nitpick that you yourself know is nonsense is astounding.  Are you trying to parody a conservative’s attempt to distract when argument won’t suffice?

Comment #13: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/06  at  01:06 PM

SUVs: cars designed to carry 11 passengers, but usually carry the average of 1.

Comment #14: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/06  at  01:09 PM

Reese@6: The only universe in which meaning 1 of invoke makes sense is one in which there are enough people praying to random Mayan goddesses that the WaPo’s use of the word ‘invoke’ could be ambiguous. This is why the only people who understood it as an actual prayer are those in the wingnut crowd, who have convinced themselves that ecology in general isn’t anything that serious people do but something only hippies, who are also probably neo-pagans and anti-Christians, do.

In other words, just giving them the benefit of the doubt that the WaPo’s usage confused them is buying into their completely paranoid worldview.

Comment #15: BlackBloc  on  12/06  at  01:12 PM

Emmett:

Interesting that a moon goddess is associated with rationality. Even before the rise of monotheism, the moon wasn’t considered to be linked with reason in European myths, was it?

Look up the etymology of the word “lunacy” and its derivatives.

Comment #16: Dan, Grand High Emperor of Bananas Foster  on  12/06  at  01:21 PM

“Jesus is invoked all the time, but he was neither white or European (or might not have actually existed at all.)”

...technically true, but he was made an honorary White European long ago, and ever since King James has been known as a native speaker of English too.  Reality just can’t compete against powerful propaganda…

Comment #17: MikeEss  on  12/06  at  01:22 PM

Am I the only one who suddenly really wants to wear a snake tied in a knot on her head?

Comment #18: JPlum  on  12/06  at  01:25 PM

What I want to know is how this post ended up with an ad for “Spice Islands Pure Vanilla” on it.  I can kind of see the connection, in that the indigenous religions of the Americas were destroyed or denigrated as a direct result of the European conquest, which was driven in part by the spice trade…but it doesn’t seem like the program that puts ads in would make that connection. (The other ad is “Online Theology Degrees,” which connects to the post in a much more obvious way.

Comment #19: A.  on  12/06  at  01:38 PM

The conspiracy theory that would have you believe the vast majority of the world’s scientists have colluded to falsify data and create an elaborate lie about global warming

Of course it’s a conspiracy! New scientists are inducted during the dissertation defense. The Ph.D committee dons their <strike>witch’s robes</strike> academic attire and escorts the candidate down to the basement after their presentation. After a brief period of torture to make sure the candidate is loyal to the cause, a baby is sacrificed on the alter to Darwin. Then we party until dawn.

Comment #20: Entomologista  on  12/06  at  01:44 PM

Actually Christians believe that Jesus rose ON the 3d day (i.e. after 2 days) and not “three days after dying.”

I have a hybrid small SUV and I got it because I really do like driving on old dirt roads and paths into the woods and it works better than my old station wagon for that.  But I do laugh when I see some suburban SUV being carefully driven around a low speed bump as if it were being taken along a rutted mountain part.

Comment #21: Woodrowfan  on  12/06  at  01:51 PM

> Look up the etymology of the word “lunacy” and its derivatives.

I know about the Greco-Roman stuff.  I was more asking about other western pagan mythologies.

Comment #22: bomberE  on  12/06  at  01:55 PM

Of course it’s a conspiracy! New scientists are inducted during the dissertation defense.

Don;t forget the “Snake Fight” portion of the thesis defence. Ixchel was just more hardcore than most grad students when it came to defeating the snake, which is why she’s the goddess of reason, creativity and (snake) weaving.

As to idiots like Powers and Malkin, my main concern isn’t their by-now depressingly predictable blathering but the fact that their nonsense is still given a hearing in the MSM.

Comment #23: Gracchus.  on  12/06  at  01:56 PM

[...] Ixchel was not only goddess of the moon, but also “the goddess of reason, creativity and weaving.

Weird that her province overlaps almost entirely with Athena/Minerva’s. Ixchel is also occasionally a war goddess, according to wiki.

Athena was a virgin though, and therefore not particularly associated with childbirth.  So never mind.

Comment #24: Alex, FCD  on  12/06  at  02:14 PM

Not much to add to this except; facepalm

Comment #25: cynickal  on  12/06  at  02:25 PM

@Amanda @ #14: It’s closer to “SUVs: Cars that look like they should be able to carry 11 passengers, usually carry one, and risk flipping over if you put more than 4 in them.” My dad’s behemoth that he bought because he’s an idiot conservative has 9 seats and can only carry 950 pounds total weight. (Cargo and passengers) That’s like 4 people down here.

It’s one of the risks of putting your penis extension four feet off the ground and trying to ride it around corners. The most common reason cited for buying an SUV is “Safety”, and the damned things aren’t even safe.

Comment #26: JThompson  on  12/06  at  02:26 PM

I know about the Greco-Roman stuff.  I was more asking about other western pagan mythologies.

Other pagans didn’t write much down. Most southern Europeans apparently worshipped the moon much like the Greeks did; As a pastoral and chthonic feminine figure. Northern Europeans tended towards personifying the moon as a male war-deity, but there’s very little information to go on there. The Levant, OTOH, often portrayed the moon god/goddess as an intelectual figure. The Akkadian Sin, Persian Maonghah and Sumerian Nanna are all lunar deities of wisdom.

Comment #27: Sarcastro  on  12/06  at  02:30 PM

The supply of stupid from Malkin’s site is inexhaustible.  It’s a farrago of fail over there.

Pretty sure the author meant to say “evoked” instead of “invoked.”  But then again, look at who you’re talking about.  He probably doesn’t really know the difference between the two words.  To him they’re both 5-dollar words to make him look smart; and predictably, he FAILs.

Comment #28: liberalrob  on  12/06  at  02:32 PM

Dude needs one of those Shorters that they do on the Sadly, No website.  Maybe “Female Moonbat Prays to Mayan Goddess, Also Believes in Climate Change; Thinks You Should Too.”

Comment #29: Unree  on  12/06  at  02:44 PM

Of course it’s a conspiracy! New scientists are inducted during the dissertation defense. The Ph.D committee dons their witch’s robes academic attire and escorts the candidate down to the basement after their presentation. After a brief period of torture to make sure the candidate is loyal to the cause, a baby is sacrificed on the alter to Darwin. Then we party until dawn.
Comment #20: Entomologista on 12/06 at 12:44 PM

I really should have chosen the physical sciences instead of the humanities. All we do after the defense is go for Indian buffet (where we discuss how to turn your children into lesbians by making them read Gramsci and Anzaldua)

As for the car thing @Reece #6…If it’s not about you, it’s not about you. 99% of the people in this world won’t notice or care what you drive unless you drive it or talk about it like you’re compensating for something. There is no cabal of climate scientists and libruls trying to tell you that you shouldn’t be able to get a fun car. Just don’t pretend that your expensive hobby is anything other than an extensive hobby or take it as some sort of attack on your human rights when we suggest that maybe society shouldn’t subsidize your expensive hobby or ignore all of the waste that it creates.

Comment #30: Babieca  on  12/06  at  02:58 PM

@26: “Safety” doesn’t mean what you think it means, JThompson.  It’s not an objective measure of how likely or unlikely you are to be injured or killed while driving a given vehicle, it’s a subjective measure of how likely you are to be killed in a head-on collision with a Dirty Fucking Hippie driving a VW bug or a Prius or a Mini, and even more importantly - how likely you are to kill that Dirty Fucking Hippie who had the audacity to crack your grill and dent your bumper.  Safety, much as it is with the gun nuts, is all about how much you can endanger the people around you, not about minimizing danger to yourself.

@20: Entomologista, why did nobody tell me there was a party?  I went through all that crap, ruined my best suit with the baby blood (and it was a really cute baby too), and then went home to take a nap.  There was supposed to be a party?  Damn.

Comment #31: libdevil  on  12/06  at  03:01 PM

Amanda:

Reece, I have nothing to say but that the literalism you use in order to do a completely pointless nitpick that you yourself know is nonsense is astounding.  Are you trying to parody a conservative’s attempt to distract when argument won’t suffice?

I find it much easier to get by in the world when I try to understand why other people think the things they do.  If you’re dealing with religiously minded people, and you say that someone invoked a god, they are likely to understand that sentence in a particular way.  I honestly don’t think there was enough information in the WaPo piece to say what she did.  If I were Juliet Eilperin, I wouldn’t have wrote that the speaker invoked Ixchel.  I would have said that she asked the participants to be inspired by the Mayan goddess Ixchel, because that would have been clearer.

I don’t understand how this is a pointless nitpick.  Invoking a god usually involves praying to that god.  Generally, I’d rather be right on substance than claim someone is lying when they make reasonable interpretations of ambiguous words.  But, hey, different strokes, I guess.

Comment #32: Reece  on  12/06  at  03:03 PM

As a pastoral and chthonic feminine figure.

I keep having this image of a squidfaced shepherd, with tits…

Comment #33: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  12/06  at  03:12 PM

I love that goddess’s purview! Rationality, creativity, midwifery and weaving. Two qualities we Westerners often view as being in inherent conflict, and two activities we view as feminised and therefore incapable of embodying either quality. It’s almost like she was invented to piss off 21st century wingnuts, although if that were true she would also be the goddess of abstract art and vegetarian cooking.

Comment #34: MissPrism  on  12/06  at  03:23 PM

Fun fact: Ix-chel is also associated with rainbows. More ammo to make conservatives squirm.

Comment #35: Menshevixen  on  12/06  at  03:30 PM

Rainbows too, Shevixen? That does it, I’m building a shrine.

Comment #36: MissPrism  on  12/06  at  03:33 PM

Actually Christians believe that Jesus rose ON the 3d day (i.e. after 2 days) and not “three days after dying.”

Well, then, I guess that makes it more believable. *cough*

Reece, having dealt with wingnuts for years, I find that tying yourself into knots trying to make sense of their bad faith arguments is a waste of time.  They’re full of shit.  Occam’s razor.  We are talking about global warming denialists.  They’re not really tied to rationality on any level.

Comment #37: Amanda Marcotte  on  12/06  at  03:45 PM

“If he’s only have called the attendees hipsters, I think we would have had a real contender for the contest of what wingnut post best exemplifies using button-pushing on an audience of embittered assholes with insecurity complexes over actual reason.”

I’d say it qualifies even without the hipster reference. This Powers dude is certifiable.

Comment #38: Mark  on  12/06  at  03:49 PM

I honestly don’t think there was enough information in the WaPo piece to say what she did.  If I were Juliet Eilperin, I wouldn’t have wrote that the speaker invoked Ixchel.  I would have said that she asked the participants to be inspired by the Mayan goddess Ixchel, because that would have been clearer.
Comment #32: Reece on 12/06 at 02:03 PM

You really can’t guess which way Occam’s razor would cut between these two sets of premises:

Journalists often use imprecise language. 
People at scientific conferences do not earnestly invoke Mayan goddesses at their conventions.

or

Journalists are extremely precise at all times. 
People at scientific conferences earnestly invoke Mayan goddesses at their conventions.

The truth is, the people freaking out about this kind of thing really believe that words are magical, and that, for example, if your speech to the United Nations contains an initialism that spells out “satan is my man,” not only did you obviously intend to do it, but it has a real and evil magical effect of strengthening a real live Satan’s international mojo.

I once listened to Mother Angelica go on a tear about how climate scientists hate the baby Jesus because they call a particular climate pattern which causes bad weather, “El Niño.”

Comment #39: oldfeminist  on  12/06  at  03:58 PM

I should have said the people who hear this stuff and freak out about it.  The people making hay over it are mostly as jaded as anyone else and know not to believe their own hype. 

Except I’m not so sure about Glenn Beck.  Just because he faked crying for a book cover or whatever doesn’t mean he doesn’t really think he’s got Tha Powaah!

Comment #40: oldfeminist  on  12/06  at  04:37 PM

I keep having this image of a squidfaced shepherd, with tits… - Phoenician in a time of Romans

Somewhere on the internet, there is bound to be pastoral and chthonic feminine figure porn.

People at scientific conferences earnestly invoke Mayan goddesses at their conventions. - oldfeminist (giving a hypothetical)

I dunno, but every scientific conference I’ve been to has began with invoking a Mayan goddess.  Although, somehow, I missed out on the sacrifice to Darwin after my dissertation defense.

Comment #41: DAS  on  12/06  at  04:48 PM

I find it much easier to get by in the world when I try to understand why other people think the things they do.

That way lies madness.

I would have said that she asked the participants to be inspired by the Mayan goddess ...

Inspired? “Breathed upon by god”?

We speak English my friend. We don’t have many unambiguous words.

Comment #42: Sarcastro  on  12/06  at  05:12 PM

“My imaginary sky friend is better than your imaginary sky friend.”

Comment #43: judybrowni  on  12/06  at  05:23 PM

@Reece: I also try to figure out why other people think what they do. The thing is that “they have a paranoid worldview” is the answer to that question, in this case.

Comment #44: BlackBloc  on  12/06  at  05:27 PM

The Ph.D committee dons their <strike>witch’s robes</strike> academic attire and escorts the candidate down to the basement after their presentation.

Pssht.  As if you could get American academics to wear anything nice.

Comment #45: Eric_RoM  on  12/06  at  05:27 PM

Probably the most fun to drive car I’ve ever been behind the wheel of is a Mazda Miata, and it’s stereotyped as a “gay mans” car.

Not to mention I hear electric cars are extremely fun to drive because it is instant torque. The car companies need to do a better job marketing that when they got mainstream.

Comment #46: Ben D.  on  12/06  at  05:37 PM

“Rationality, creativity, midwifery and weaving.” Plus rainbows.

Really, Amanda, you should reconsider your atheism SOLELY to become a follower of Ixchel—she’s got it all. 

Ixchel at least deserves to become the Pandagon mascot.

Comment #47: Eric_RoM  on  12/06  at  05:43 PM

Fun to drive seems like a contradiction in terms. I gotta move somewhere with a subway.

Comment #48: witless chum  on  12/06  at  06:02 PM

Somewhere on the internet, there is bound to be pastoral and chthonic feminine figure porn.

Rule 34. Anyways, I believe mud wrestling might qualify for that.

Sheesh. Talk about ambiguous words. It could be a tentacle-faced female preacher...

Comment #49: Sarcastro  on  12/06  at  06:08 PM

Fun to drive seems like a contradiction in terms.

It does depend very much on what kind of area you live in.

Comment #50: Ben D.  on  12/06  at  06:17 PM

The Miata is known in the SF Bay Area as the car of choice for assholes who made their coin in the first tech boom.

If they’re still driving them (and many are) you can kinda figure out how useful they were at the time… Strangely, it’s one of the cars least likely to have a bumper sticker, so I never really know if they’re randian guys or not.  See, if a randian buys a prius, they put bumper stickers all over it for Ron Paul etc.  If they aren’t, they don’t.  Weird, eh?

Comment #51: Crissa  on  12/06  at  06:48 PM

The Miata is known in the SF Bay Area as the car of choice for assholes who made their coin in the first tech boom.

Ha. Here those types drive a 3-series coupe instead.

Comment #52: Ben D.  on  12/06  at  06:54 PM

In other news, we’re having another round of “IT’S COLD SO GLOBAL WARMING DOESN’T EXIST, HAW HAW” here in NC. *headdesk* At least the Ixchel argument is a creative and new stupid argument.

Comment #53: snowmentality  on  12/06  at  07:02 PM

Amanda:

You’re missing the number one point of politicized science: Global warming is a “myth” because they want it to be. There is no other reasonable explanation for it, nor any real need for one; don’t forget, evil people, for the most part, don’t consider themselves evil. They do what they do either because they don’t care about the impact on others (Rand) or because they believe that they’re doing the right thing (the neocons), and the mentality of the global warming denier is, to all intents and purposes, a combination of both. It’s actually quite Lysenkoish.

I think there’s a very large contingent of people who take free market fundamentalism as axiomatic, then go on to assume that its principles are actual laws of nature, and that which interferes with the workings of the market is actually impossible. The scary part is that a large number of such people consider themselves rationalists, but it’s the sort of vulgar rationalism that makes the vast majority of Aristotle’s scientific writings completely and horrifyingly inaccurate.

Comment #54: BrianX  on  12/06  at  07:02 PM

@snowmentality

Same where I live. It is completely fucking ridiculous that I can’t even talk about the weather with people anymore without getting wingnut talking points!

At least there’s still sports, for now!

Comment #55: Ben D.  on  12/06  at  07:05 PM

“In other news, we’re having another round of “IT’S COLD SO GLOBAL WARMING DOESN’T EXIST, HAW HAW” here in NC.”

...so, by wingnut logic, the fact there’s ice in my freezer in July means there’s no such thing as Summer either, right?...

Comment #56: MikeEss  on  12/06  at  07:13 PM

I was restrained this time, but next sumer, when it’s as insufferably hot as it was last summer, I swear to God I’m going to go around yelling in their faces about how this is proof of global warming.

Comment #57: Ben D.  on  12/06  at  07:15 PM

There’s a whole blogful of wingnut “Ah, but it gets cold in winter!” cartoons here so you can appreciate the endless hilarity:
http://ifglobalwarmingisrealthenwhyisitcold.blogspot.com/
(The bit I find odd is that not one of’em can draw Al Gore well enough to be recognisable without a huge label, rosette or caption saying AL GORE. If you’ve been demonising someone for decades and still can’t caricature him effectively, I reckon you might want to consider a career other than political cartooning.)

Comment #58: MissPrism  on  12/06  at  10:13 PM

Amanda, you do realize that that “fine piece of ass” remark probably vaporized any last lingering hope you might have had of becoming a political consultant again, right?

Comment #59: Bitter Scribe  on  12/06  at  10:17 PM

Car that is fun to drive: Prius. It is zippy and maneuverable, and way more fun to tool around in than our SUV. Plus: stealth mode where you can surprise the crap out of people.

I’m surprised no one got into “oh, what a tangled web we weave”.

Comment #60: paul  on  12/06  at  10:30 PM

Fun is defined in my dictionary as driving a Mini along the Blue Ridge Parkway.  My Nigel waxes poetic among his car-nut buddies about how awesome the Mini is to have in the family, and they give him no gruff about it, and not just when I’m in the room to be proud of my baby.  Yet it’s also the practical family car that we use when we need to haul stuff, which really cracks me up.  We have a pickup and a big old American standard, and the Mini is what we use to haul stuff or carry extra passengers in comfort.

The original quote refers to Ixchel as a jaguar goddess.  So, in addition to all the other wonderful things previously listed, kitties!

Comment #61: Djinna  on  12/06  at  11:52 PM

When I found I really did need a car here (I live in Japan, land of the awesome public transit… except for Okinawa), I did a bunch of investigating because I hate driving, hate having to own a car, and want to pay as little as I can for it. The answer: ‘keijidousha.’ Light motor vehicle, I guess. I have a Suzuki Wagon R that’s 14 years old and runs great. Gas tank holds about 25L of gas, which lasts over 300Km.

Then I see the occasional Japanese guy (more frequently American military guy) driving a Hummer and just have to laugh. I don’t think you could actually drive a Hummer on the incredibly narrow streets I squeeze through to drop my daughter off at her daycare. And given that gas is close to $1.75/L here (roughly), I am glad not to be saddled with their gas bills.

Given the roads and gas prices here, I think my crappy kei-car is more fun to drive than a Hummer (though the Hummer could probably drive right over my car). I don’t envy the hassle parking must be for them.

And as for Ixchel, invoke away! She sounds great! As I apply to do the last of my Bachelor’s and fully plan on doing at least a Master’s, I look forward to the baby sacrifice and my impending induction.

Comment #62: Matthew, Patron Saint of Affogato  on  12/06  at  11:55 PM

Sheesh. Talk about ambiguous words. It could be a tentacle-faced female preacher…

Our Mother, which art in R’lyeh,
Cthulhu be thy Name.
Thy kingdom come,
as strange eons be done,
and stars align in heaven.
Give us this day our baleful dreams
And forgive us from sacrifices
As we sacrifice them that trespass against you.
And lead us not into madness
But deliver us from the Deep Ones.
For thine is the Island,
the Sea and the Earth.
Whenever and ever.
Cthulhu fhtagn.

Comment #63: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  12/07  at  12:04 AM

“In other news, we’re having another round of “IT’S COLD SO GLOBAL WARMING DOESN’T EXIST, HAW HAW” here in NC.”

Uh-huh:

  Here’s the problem – these ‘snowpocalypses’ that have been going through DC and other extreme weather events are precisely what climate scientists have been predicting, fearing and anticipating because of global warming.

  Why is that? The thinking that warmer air temperatures on the earth, a higher air temperature, has a greater capacity to hold moisture at any temperature.  And then as winter comes in, that warm air cools full of water, and you get heavier precipitation on a more regular basis. In fact, you could argue these storms are not evidence of a lack of global warming, but are evidence of global warming – thus the 26 inches of snowfall in the DC area and the second giant storm this year.

Comment #64: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  12/07  at  12:15 AM

The conspiracy theory that would have you believe the vast majority of the world’s scientists have colluded to falsify data and create an elaborate lie about global warming is hard enough to believe just on the organizational level

That doesn’t stop the total effing losers who think the Apollo moon landings were faked, so why should global climate change be any different?  It’s global climate change, BTW, not global warming, just as it’s sexual orientation not sexual preference.

Comment #65: Henry Holland  on  12/07  at  12:20 AM

@Henry

Or 9/11 Troofers, for that matter I just got handed a flier by them today.

Human beings are just weird sometimes.

Comment #66: Ben D.  on  12/07  at  01:14 AM

I live on top of a hill reached by a steep and curvy road. There’s nothing I like better than being tailgated by an SUV as I drive at the speed limit through the residential area, then drop down the hairpin curve at a speed that would be suicidal for them. Unfortunately, none of those has tried to keep up with me. Yet.

Comment #67: bad Jim  on  12/07  at  01:27 AM

I’m going to play a little devils advocate here.  The bog post at WaPo says that she “invoked” Ixchel.  While “invoke” has several definitions, the more common ones relate to prayer.

I’m going to play Hades advocate here.  In Classical rhetoric an invocation is not synonymous with prayer. A prayer can be an invocation (like at graduation of Mass) but otherwise it’s nothing more than a customary bit of format. It mimics an older style of writing/speaking that at one time might have been very religious (classicists debate) but in modern content is as empty of spiritual intent as a hard core skeptic like Amanda knocking on wood.  Unless you are a devotee of the Greek pantheon or any divinity whose blessing or aid you are asking for then it’s all just empty gesture, a little bit of traditional rhetoric to set the tone. 

Athena was a virgin though, and therefore not particularly associated with childbirth.  So never mind.


Incorrect! Athena’s virgin state is nothing more than slanderous lies perpetrated by prudish scholars who could not conceive of a society where a woman’s status was not tied to the state of her hymen.
Athena was a parthanos (as was Hestia) which was the term for an Unmarried female. The only Virginal goddess was Artemis who was in fact a goddess of childbirth. A woman would untie her girdle and hang it up to call Artemis’ bless upon her during labor and only then would the child be born. For the ancient Greeks, the line between childhood and adult woman status hinged on marriage and motherhood (gynos was the word for both woman and wife) Artemis’s blessing was needed to release a female from girlhood into motherhood.

Comment #68: scrumby  on  12/07  at  01:35 AM

@53, 64, etc: BRITAIN TRAPPED UNDER TWO FEET OF GLOBAL WARMING BULLSHIT. wink

Comment #69: Dunc  on  12/07  at  10:45 AM

Whenever someone brings up the “it’s cold so global warming is a hoax!” crap, I just tell them “Get back to me when you learn the difference between climate and weather”, and then I just ignore them as hard as I possibly can.  It’s futile to engage with someone who is so uninformed on the issue, so I refuse to do it.

Comment #70: bananacat  on  12/07  at  12:32 PM

Albert Cirrus @ 3: To be perfectly accurate, Atlas was a Titan, one of the precursors to the Greek gods.  < / nitpick >

Comment #71: stonebiscuit  on  12/07  at  01:18 PM
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