I’m not really amused by this.  If they are this crazy, then this is just the tip of the iceberg, with more competent people pulling off stupid stuff as well and not getting caught.

O’Keefe is actually 25, not 24 - so yes, O’Keefe can rent a car with most of the major car rental companies.

I’m wondering what the over/under is on Fox News acknowledging this story on air, considering this whole idiotic ACORN witchhunt was so heavily promoted by those shitbags.

A 10 second mention buried in the back of their 6PM newshour?  Will O’Reilly, Beck, or Hannity even mention it all?

Of course, this story is nowhere to be found on Drudge Report, which makes complete sense.  Matt Drudge is the ideological mentor of Andrew Breitbart, and Andrew Breitbart is the ideological mentor of James O’Keefe.  Drudge probably doesn’t want to report anything which makes his ideological protege’s protege look like such a scumbag.

Gee Dumbya was committing “youthful indiscretions” past the age of 40 so yeah, on the right, 24 is a baby.

This is the dumbest rightard plot since those would-be assassin idjits with the white top hats, or maybe the McCain/Palin campaign.

“These guys were still babies!  Let’s just hug them until it’s all better.”

Make them stand in a corner and think about what they did.  I’m sure that will straighten them out and put them back on the path of righteousness…

***

Does anybody really think these punks will pay a serious penalty for this?  I’m sure some wingnut lawyer like Yoo or Addington or some other dick will figure out how to make the whole go away with at most some slap on the wrist like a couple hours of community service or a PSA to explain to the kiddies that wiretapping is a very serious matter — unless the Federal Government is doing it to us under a Republican administration…

Does anybody really think these punks will pay a serious penalty for this?

Considering that one of these douchenozzles is the son of a U.S. Attorney, I have my doubts.

Rich, white, twentysomething trustafarian assholes don’t do prison.

You see, this is something that comes from studying history with a right-wing slant:  you never learn that Watergate involved actual crimes.  Trespassing, phone tampering, and fraud are still crimes—even if committed by Republican operatives.

I’m sure that O’Keefe and his kind see this as nothing more than a partisan witch hunt.  He’ll have his own show on Fox before the week is out, if he doesn’t already.

Didn’t think you could do worse than the last 8 years, but 2010 is shaping up to be a real keeper.

Henry Hyde’s “youthful indescretion” was after age 40, so this loser is well within conservative youth.

Fox had to cover it a bit, but they claimed that more context would be necessary to make sense of the story.

Sure, all they were planning on doing was punking Landrieu on the MSM, but they broke into a federal building.  If they were brown, they’d be on their way to gitmo and FOX would be all over it.  But he’s one of their heroes since he took down an organization that helped brown people, so they have to scramble for excuses.

Hypocrite, thy name is FOX

Not only do rich, white, trustafarian assholes not do prison, but I’m sure the Obama administration will soon drop the charges so as not to appear too partisan by prosecuting felonies committed by conservatives.

Rich, white, twentysomething trustafarian assholes don’t do prison.

Especially in Louisiana. Trying not to be pessimistic, especially after I read the FBI agent’s affidavit where everybody pretty much confessed, but still…

“You see, this is something that comes from studying history with a right-wing slant:  you never learn that Watergate involved actual crimes.  Trespassing, phone tampering, and fraud are still crimes—even if committed by Republican operatives.”

...but in the Republican mind those things are not crimes, at least not real crimes.  This is why they were/are so mystified that some Americans would think torturing and killing prisoners at Guantanamo is wrong — don’t you understand, ignorant liberal, those things were no worse than fraternity pranks.

Real crime is when some (darker skinned) street thug robs you on your way to work, or breaks into your house to steal the TV to sell and buy crack.  But wiretaps, break-ins, rigging elections, illegal release of classified information, outing CIA agents, fraud, Constitutional violations, all in the service of destroying your political enemies?  Those are just very minor actions that should properly be dealt with by being ignored… unless they were done by Democrats…

Especially in Louisiana.

I don’t know how relevant that part will be.  The crime took place on federal property, and the criminal charges were filed by the FBI - this case won’t be prosecuted by the State of Louisiana, even though it took place in New Orleans.

This isn’t a drugs charge or crashing a car of a DWI. This is wiretapping a federal building, videotaping yourself doing it and confessing to it afterward. I’d bet they’re probably going to go to jail for a few reasons.

First what they did was mind bendingly stupid on a level everyone can grasp, as such they’ve managed to embarrass alot of Republicans who fell over themselves to praise these guys a while back, noone will be rushing to do these kids any favors.

Second, I’d be gobsmacked if anyone with any kind of pull in the Republican party authorized this, as such they don’t have the kind of ‘if I go to jail I’ll talk’ card that’s been so effective at getting official leniency.

About the only way they could avoid jail is if the FBI and DOJ massively screw up the case. Which given their track record is why I said ‘probably’.

I’ll believe they’ll go to jail when I see it.

Even Michelle Malkin and Allah Pundit have thrown these guys under the bus. That’s cause for hope.

So this guy gulled a couple of ACORN volunteers and immediately concluded that he’s smarter than everyone who disagrees with his politics. I hope he gets his wee-wee slapped good and hard.

Even Michelle Malkin and Allah Pundit have thrown these guys under the bus.

Yeah, but Malkin managed to do it in a typically whiny, self-justifying way. She used the occasion to offer advice to “conservative investigative journalists” that ended with: “Don’t become what you are targeting.”

Come again? Can she or anyone else remind me of the last time a liberal operative was caught trying to bug a conservative’s office?

i hope he gets his wee-wee slapped good and hard.

where he’s going, it won’t be his wee-wee doing the slapping!

it’s hard out here for a pimp…

So, on Countdown and TRMS, they just said that the AP is reporting that according to an unnamed FBI agent, one of the four suspects was picked up several blocks away in a vehicle with listening devices specifically used with bugging equipment.

I don’t know how much more “red-handed” you can get with this one.

More info:

William Flanagan, the father of suspect Robert Flanagan, is only an Acting U.S. Attorney, who is set to be replaced once President Obama’s nominee for the job is confirmed by the U.S. Senate.  That confirmation process is currently being held up by Sen. David Vitter - who also represents the State of Louisiana.

Thus far, Vitter has made absolutely no comment on the wiretapping incident at the office of his fellow Senate colleague from Louisiana.

Interesting.

Sweet, sweet schadenfreude.

According to the article, here is Vitter’s statement: “I’ve seen the news reports and it’s obvious this is a very serious matter. We’re blessed with an extremely competent U.S. attorney’s office in New Orleans, and I know they’ll handle this as aggressively as they have other serious cases,” Vitter said in a statement.

So much blah, blah.

Hey, skippy,  let’s lay off the prison rape material. It’s a pro-choice, feminist blog, and we just don’t do that here.

So this guy gulled a couple of ACORN volunteers and immediately concluded that he’s smarter than everyone who disagrees with his politics.

And there’s some real question as to how much gulling he actually managed, what with his refusal to release the unedited tapes.

from what you see on bourbon st., 24 is teh new 12.  At least in the mind of somebody who thinks that he looks like a real pimp. (in NOLA right now ... this isn’t big news WHO DAT!)

My brother lives in NOLA (well, actually Mandeville, which is across Lake Pontchartrain), and you’re right… all the locals care about right now is:

“Who dat say dey gonna beat dem Saints?”

And my guess is, probably native New Orleanian Peyton Manning and the Inidianapolis Colts, but I’ll still be pulling for the Saints even though they are huge underdogs.

Well, they’re now qualified for Wingnut Welfare, just like G. Gordon Liddy and Pat Buchanan. So there’s that.

DTG, I think anybody outside of a 100 mile radius of Indianapolis is rooting for the official national WHODAT underdogs!

When you see the nations top environmental official grab a flag off of the table and enthusiastically yell WHO DAT along with a conference crowd,  you know that this is much more than a football game to the people of New Orleans.

Hmmm - is it time for a certain political faction to make their biennial rediscovery of the Rights of the Accused? Why, yes, I believe it is.

Oh, they haven’t been convicted of anything? How interesting.

Well, they’re now qualified for Wingnut Welfare, just like G. Gordon Liddy and Pat Buchanan. So there’s that.

Oh yeah; this is totally like the bit from Goodfellas where the young Henry Hill comes out from the courtroom and is mobbed by his Mafia friends for “busting his cherry.”

On behalf of the ACORN workers who had their careers ruined or almost ruined cause of this fucker O’keefe, I can’t help but feel a sense of schadenfreude over this arrest.

DTG, I think anybody outside of a 100 mile radius of Indianapolis is rooting for the official national WHODAT underdogs!

You’d be wrong about that. [bitter and not letting go of it]

Ok they are in the Federal system now. When you get charged by the feds, your chances of beating a case are extremely slim. They will see prison time. And this is going to be big.

I second the comment that they should be glad they are pale. If any one of these kids had a tan, it’d be terrorism charges and black sites and questions asked later.

This is possibly the dumbest thing I have ever heard.

You VIDEOTAPE yourself illegially trespassing, wire tapping and defrauding a Senator in a federal building.

I’m going to be interested in seeing where this is going.

When you see the nations top environmental official grab a flag off of the table and enthusiastically yell WHO DAT along with a conference crowd, you know that this is much more than a football game to the people of New Orleans.

Well, to be fair, I would be surprised if Ms. Jackson supported anyone other than the Saints - she did grow up in New Orleans, went to Saint Mary’s Dominican High School (NOLA is easily the most Catholic city in the South) and then went to Tulane University there.  It would be odd for her to not to be a little excited about this - it is her hometown team, after all.

I do agree, though, that a lot of other folks around the country will pull for them, just because they are huge underdogs (known throughout the NFL as the “Aints” for the first few decades of their existence), and New Orleans is still hurting badly five years after Hurricane Katrina.

Princeton Professor Melissa Harris Lacewell has a WHODAT diary up on DKos right now - her partner is running for mayor of NOLA, and she talks pretty eloquently about how the collective emotional high of the 2009 Saints season crosses all racial and socioeconomic lines in the city right now.  Winning the Super Bowl won’t fix all that is still broken in the wake of the storm, but I do think it will lift a lot of spirits in that city up, if even for just a little bit.  It is kind of a cool Cinderella story.

I do have some suspicions that natives of Minneapolis/St. Paul may not be sharing in the Saints love, however.

And I have to wonder… this all must be quite conflicting for Archie Manning.  On the one hand, he was the first true “franchise player” in Saints history, and is still quite beloved by longtime Saints fans.  He’s lived his entire adult life in NOLA, and raised his five sons there - including Indianapolis Colts’ QB Peyton Manning.  I have no doubt that blood will beat out geographic roots, but I have to think he won’t be completely devastated if the team he helped to build comes out on top in Miami - even though it would mean his son doesn’t get another ring.

Hopefully, it’s a good game and the Saints don’t make a lot of rookie mistakes under pressure.  I’ll be pulling for them, but if I had to put money on it, I’d have trouble not going with the Colts.  They just look like a more solid team right now - and they’re way more experienced on the big stage.

Somebody mentioned schadenfreude?

Pon pon pon… This is one of the charges in the affidavit.
From the 18 U.S.C. § 1362 : US Code - Section 1362: Communication lines, stations or systems

Whoever willfully or maliciously injures or destroys any of the works, property, or material of any radio, telegraph, telephone or cable, line, station, or system, or other means of communication,
operated or controlled by the United States, or used or intended to be used for military or civil defense functions of the United States, whether constructed or in process of construction, or
willfully or maliciously interferes in any way with the working or use of any such line, or system, or willfully or maliciously obstructs, hinders, or delays the transmission of any communication
over any such line, or system, or attempts or conspires to do such an act[like, say, one James O’Keiffe], shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.

I’m actually joyful about this. And feeling a little guilty over it too. But there’s definitely more joy than guilt in the mix.

Well, there may be one upside for our little white pimp.

Maybe he’ll get lessons on how not to look fucking stupid. I DOUBT it, but hey.

“Let’s just hug them until it’s all better.”

and shove a taser up their asses, while we’re hugging them, so they can feel like real “activists”. think of it as an educational experience.

ok, i kid. just kick them in their collective asses, for being that utterly stupid.

any bets that they claim they had a 1st amendment right, as “reporters” to wiretap a senator? obviously, it’s a free speech issue.

any bets that they claim they had a 1st amendment right, as “reporters” to wiretap a senator? obviously, it’s a free speech issue.

Well, given the recent decision by five of our nine black robes, I imagine that defense might just work provided they can prove that they were acting as a corporation in their little endeavor.  You know, since corporations are just as entitled to First Amendment rights as living, breathing human beings now.

Yet if you’re poor and brown and commit a crime when you’re 12, they should charge you as an adult.

Real crime is when some (darker skinned) street thug robs you on your way to work, or breaks into your house to steal the TV to sell and buy crack.  But wiretaps, break-ins, rigging elections, illegal release of classified information, outing CIA agents, fraud, Constitutional violations, all in the service of destroying your political enemies?  Those are just very minor actions that should properly be dealt with by being ignored… unless they were done by Democrats…

It’s just like how a poor brown person (possibly) getting away with welfare fraud is a major problem, whereas defense contractors in Iraq ripping taxpayers off to the tune of billions and getting away with murder and rape is, meh.

After lying and manipulating video for so long in order to fulfill right-wing fantasies for so long and being handsomely rewarded every time, there really was no doubt he would continue to get worse and worse over the years. Hopefully there will be a real sentence given to stop this monster creation or it will be only a matter of time before he’s doing videos about how “some evil liberal group” is murdering people on the street that he carefully set up before hand.

After lying and manipulating video for so long in order to fulfill right-wing fantasies for so long and being handsomely rewarded every time, there really was no doubt he would continue to get worse and worse over the years. Hopefully there will be a real sentence given to stop this monster creation or it will be only a matter of time before he’s doing videos about how “some evil liberal group” is murdering people on the street that he carefully set up before hand.

Ugh.  If he gets away with this, I predict he’s got a brilliant future doing post-SCOTUS “campaign free speech” decision hatchet jobs to influence elections.

“What’s amazing is that it took four people to come up with an idea this stupid.”

When your ideology dictates that criminality is a function of who you are rather than what you do, it’s unlikely that these particular four people even realized why it was a stupid idea.

This from the same group of people who seriously want to get rid of juvenile courts.  That’s blatantly requesting one standard for rich white people and one for everyone else.

More timely point about him being a mere babe - how many conservatives saying that mocked the health care plan that allowed parents to cover children up to the age of 25?

But yeah, if he’d been Arab-American or Muslim and caught trying to wiretap a member of the Homeland Security Committee, they’d be demanding he go to Guantanamo, whining about his being Mirandized, and cloaking that this was evidence that Obama was soft on terra.

But if you’re a conservative white boy, anything more than community service is political persecution.

After lying and manipulating video for so long in order to fulfill right-wing fantasies for so long and being handsomely rewarded every time, there really was no doubt he would continue to get worse and worse over the years.

Over the years?  More like over the months.

This kid was a virtual nobody as recently as last summer (I realize he was involved with the idiotic Planned Parenthood video in 2008 - but it got virtually zero attention anywhere outside the blogosphere and the O’Reilly Factor), he pulls a cheesy “sting operation” on ACORN workers using heavily edited tapes, and less than six months after his huge rise to fame among the wingnut teabagger crowd, he’s possibly crossed a line which could result in a federal conviction.

This douchenozzle didn’t waste much time in developing a God Complex.

You know, at 24, I was married, had a full time job, was inschool half time trying to finish the last years worth of courses for my first degree and the elder of my 2 children was already in elementary school. 
At 24, just a few years ago, that elder child had a degree a full time job in quality assurance for a drug company and had already started saving for her first home purchase. 
I’d say 24 is not the new 12, but that stupid immature people shouldn’t be given so damn much slack if they are ever to become producative adults.

Superspy, Jr. is only the tip of the iceberg here. Wiretapping and access to wiretapping gear are not in the skill-set of your average 20-something “journalist”/douchenozzle. These guys came through the same network of organizations for College Republicans notorious for producing Karl Rove and other ratfuckers. I’m going to enjoy watching O’Keefe and crew sweat over the prospect of hard time, but what I REALLY want is for people to follow the money and expose groups like the Leadership Institute and the Young America’s Foundation. Shorter me: youthful indiscretion, my ass.

“I’d say 24 is not the new 12, but that stupid immature people shouldn’t be given so damn much slack if they are ever to become producative adults.”

...as the overprivileged wingnut children of overprivileged wingnuts, they think they already are productive adults. 

I’d bet they think they’re more productive than 99% of their fellow Americans, and we’re just lucky they don’t go John Galt on us to teach us all a lesson.  Which says a lot about how fucked up America is…

I forgot about Henry Hyde’s youthful indescretion committed in his 40’s.  It’d be really funny except that these are the same guys, specifically George W Bush, who put black kids, who really are kids, away for 20 years for non-violent drug offenses.

They steal their lives.

But I’m supposed to feel sorry for these guys?  I feel as sorry as these guys would feel for some 24 year old young black man sentenced to life in prison under a three strikes law.

Which means; not at all.

I hope they do hard time.  I sadly don’t think that they will, but I will feel good if it happens.

I’m hoping they are able to follow the same path (post conviction) down which Matthew Hale has been forced to walk.  He too was a smart ass, ultra rightwing punk with a degree who tried to mess with the Feds and targeted people of color: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matthew_F._Hale

I understand the cynicism about them being trustafarians and thinking that they will escape punishment on that basis…but it is likely that these guys will in fact do time, and probably close to or exactly the same time anyone else with their criminal histories would do.

A: These are federal charges.  They’ll be prosecuted by the FBI and the US Attorney in NOLA, and those guys in general have their act and resources together far better than state or local prosecutors.  It would be a different story, possibly, if they were being handled by the state or local people…charges can and often do just get dropped or disappear for affluent or connected types when handled through those systems.

B: Federal sentencing is very determinate. In other words, there’s just not the opportunity for a lenient prosecutor to recommend or the judge to hand out an unusually light sentence, put them on straight probation, or anything similar.  What you plead guilty to or get convicted of pretty much determines how much time you’ll serve, and you will serve it.  (Actually in the federal system, about 85 percent of whatever the sentence is, not a day more or less.)  In state systems (particularly poor states with overcrowded prisons), you can often get a seemingly stiff sentence which still means you never see the inside of a penitentiary, particularly if you have no history of violent crime or no criminal history at all.

C: This case is getting national attention.  That often alters the analysis even for state or local prosecutors and judges who might otherwise be inclined to show the merciful side of the law.  It
‘s one thing in state court to make a driving offense or some other common criminal incident just go away when no one really knows what happened.  Quite another for charges to simply go poof when the incident involves a US Senator, serious wiretapping charges, and all the major media outlets have covered the story.

Lot of things can happen between arrest and disposition of charges, but my bet is those guys spend a year or so in prison when all is said and done.  Depends on what charge bargaining the US Attorney is willing to do, but they will likely do significant time.

It’s hard to imagine a less sympathetic figure than James O’Keefe.

Or maybe not, now that I think of the congresscritters that rushed to defund ACORN over the (supposed) bad statements of one employee, preferring to pander foolishly rather than stand up for an organization that actually does some good for low-income people. I’m still mad about that. One employee says (not does, says) something bad and the whole organization is verboten. That’s a standard that will never be applied to say, a large corporation.

Kiss up and kick down is these people’s only real political philosophy.

The inverse law of group intelligence states that the effective functional intelligence of any group is equal to the average intelligence of the group, divided by the number of people in the group. This is why the dumbest thing you ever did was in a group setting.

Not only do rich, white, trustafarian assholes not do prison, but I’m sure the Obama administration will soon drop the charges so as not to appear too partisan by prosecuting felonies committed by conservatives.

BAHAHAAAA! The silence of the Dems on this is yet another example of their cowardness.  What is it about overprivilaged white boys feeling their oppressed?
That ACORN tape was edited? And he’s refusing to release the rest? What a douche. Anyone have a link to that?

Get your facts straight, Jesse. O’Keefe is not accused of “wiretapping” anything.

Just sayin’, if anybody has been “tampering” with the phone system in there it was Landrieu’s staff.

“Just sayin’, if anybody has been “tampering” with the phone system in there it was Landrieu’s staff.”

...and James “Ima Pimp, Yo” O’Keef and his merry homage to Gordon Liddy and the Plumbers of yore were just there to expose the truth that Landrieu was spying on herself.  What a brave American!...

Comment #54: Ozzymandias on 01/27 at 11:25 AM

The inverse law of group intelligence states that the effective functional intelligence of any group is equal to the average intelligence of the group, divided by the number of people in the group. This is why the dumbest thing you ever did was in a group setting.

There’s a shorter way of saying that.

When you see the nations top environmental official grab a flag off of the table and enthusiastically yell WHO DAT along with a conference crowd, you know that this is much more than a football game to the people of New Orleans.

And this is indeed pushing ALL other news aside here in NOLA.  It covers the front page of the paper every day, now with a days-left-to-superbowl countdown!  In the business school here at University of New Orleans, the dean & his staff stood up on the balcony waving flags this morning, screaming “who dat!” and throwing black and gold beads to the students in the atrium below.

So I have to admit I hadn’t even heard of this thing until here, now, despite living in N.O.  There’s barely enough attention left over for our mayoral election in 10 days (Nagin is term-limited, cannot run again).  I’m not sure what that election timing portends—it’ll be interesting to see exactly what the demographic is for who shows up to vote in that election, being the day before the superbowl and right in the middle of mardi gras season.

My favorite part:

On Tuesday at 4:40 p.m., O’Keefe, Dai and Basel were released from the jail and were waiting for a cab. Asked to comment, O’Keefe said only, “Veritas,” which is Latin for “truth.”

Lo, pity the poor, noble Young Republican, a veritable martyr for his cause!  *eyeroll*

“They’ll be prosecuted by the FBI and the US Attorney in NOLA” or rather somebody from the Justice Dept. in DC—the local US Attorney doubtless wil recuse himself due to family relationship.

“They’ll be prosecuted by the FBI and the US Attorney in NOLA” or rather somebody from the Justice Dept. in DC—the local US Attorney doubtless wil recuse himself due to family relationship.

I believe the U.S. attorney you are thinking of (Flanagan) represents the Western District of Lousiana.  The U.S. Attorney in New Orleans would represent the Eastern District of the state.

DTG, I think anybody outside of a 100 mile radius of Indianapolis is rooting for the official national WHODAT underdogs!

Nah- all of the MN fans here in Seattle are rooting for the Colts after watching that smashmouth game that the Saints played. HELLO you do NOT sack a QB after he’s thrown the ball. Once would be OK but SO MANY TIMES. They deserve to lose.

Anyhow- I think that those wanna be tappers have been watching way too many spy movies.
That and a hyper-inflated sense of their own self worth and intelligence.

I don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that all the mainstream media picked up on this in less than a day (as opposed to waiting like 2 weeks to report the ACORN story) or that anyone can believe that these guys could tap the phone there. I have actually done wiretaps and this crew couldn’t possibly have pulled that off even if they wanted to. It’s absurd. At least conservative websites REPORT stories that might hurt their cause, unlike the left that just buries their head in the sand. And as for them breaking the law for entering under false pretenses, well ,they took a risk and they lost (take your lumps) . I’m still not sure what they were trying to prove but I’m betting its far less sinister then the media is making it out to be. Time will tell.

“I’m still not sure what they were trying to prove but I’m betting its far less sinister then the media is making it out to be. Time will tell.”

...and thanks for that, Casp!

I mean, you’re right!  How could anyone think that one wingnut trustafarian punkass with delusions of journalistic grandeur getting together with other wingnut punkasses pretending to work for the Phone Co and invading the offices of a sitting US Senator could possibly represent anything sinister?  If anything, it obviously represents something dexterous...

“I have actually done wiretaps and this crew couldn’t possibly have pulled that off even if they wanted to.”

Hey, you’re a regular Junior G. Gordon Liddy!  Sweet!...

“It’s absurd.”

...you said it, brother.  It sure as hell is.  But when you really think about it, it’s not really any more absurd than Sarah Palin, Bill Kristol, Glenn Beck, or MoDo getting girlwood over that Brown asshole from MA…

Question: If we can arrest 4 punks for tapping one phone of a senator, why not the Bush Administration for wire tapping thousands?

Girlwood? you are one cool dude MikeEss! Im sure you were equally disgusted with the ACORN employees in the other videos.

And are you going to deny that thr MSM ignored the ACORN story far longer then this one? Put up or shut up I guess

And are you going to deny that thr MSM ignored the ACORN story far longer then this one?

I also recall several networks ignoring *other* similarly damning videos from shows like Punk’d! And those videos from the Daily Show where they paste together clips to have McCain say stuff like “...get” “off!” “my…lawn”—that stuff sounds important! And totally believable and not at all scripted or fake! Why haven’t they done a full expose on how Jessica Simpson was totally, like, fooled and got really mad that time that Ashton was messing with her? The people must know.

Why it—it’s almost like major news organizations don’t take *seriously* badly edited tapes of kids playing pimp-dress-up and trying to entrap bored office workers with foolish pranks! And then they have the nerve to go and report on actual crimes being committed! Shameful!

Bagelsan, you need to get out more. Edited tapes? Entrapment? get the facts before you say something that makes you look foolish.

The tapes he haven’t been released unedited, Casp, and this was more than a little B and E, but thanks for demonstrating how conservatives are soft on crime when it’s one of their own who gets caught.

Well at least one of them have a get out of trouble card. Disgusting.

Casp (65):

don’t know what’s funnier, the fact that all the mainstream media picked up on this in less than a day (as opposed to waiting like 2 weeks to report the ACORN story) or that anyone can believe that these guys could tap the phone there. I have actually done wiretaps and this crew couldn’t possibly have pulled that off even if they wanted to.

Which doesn’t mean that they weren’t trying to; you know that (if you’re right, and if you have indeed done wiretaps), doesn’t mean they know that. And it doesn’t affect the legality of whatever they were trying to do,wiretaps or not.

Now, I’d like to know more about this little delay with the ACORN tapes. What are youmeasuring from? I will point out that there was a crime here, as in the police were involved; no one from ACORN and acting in that capacity was shown breaking the law.