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Writing future scandals so the right doesn’t have to

I’m still boggled that right wingers have convinced themselves that they have a right to have a snit over the fact that some liberal journalists had a listserv.  The whole concocted controversy gets stranger by the minute, and not just because some wingnuts are using Journolist to replace the made-up Protocols of the Elders of Zion as the focal point of anti-Semitic propaganda.  For instance, Andrew Sullivan threw a hissy fit because some folks on Journolist made some fun of him because he pushes the “Sarah Palin faked her fifth pregnancy” nonsense.  I fully expect before the week is over for conservatives to take umbrage if it’s discovered that someone said something mildly critical of Richard Nixon on the listserv.

The fundamental argument justifying the fit is that liberal journalists don’t have a right to speak to each other in confidence, a right that conservatives apparently get to enjoy on the grounds that they’re specialer than us.  I imagine that if this all works out for them, they’ll be delighted to know they have a new line of attack on liberals.  It’s way more than listservs, after all.  Liberals communicate with each other in private in all sorts of ways.  Now that they’ve managed to make this fact controversial, there’s no end to the possible scandals.  I’ve made a list of what we can expect next, in terms of created controversy.

Scandal will erupt when it’s discovered:

*Many liberals are married to or dating other liberals, which often includes actual sexual congress going on behind closed doors.
*Liberal homes are often installed with telephones, and most phones made from them go unrecorded. 
*To make this worse, most liberals nowadays carry their phones with them. At any point in time, they have access to confidential conversations with other people who are often also liberal.  And just to add to the wickedness of it all, many also employ text messaging.
*Liberals are permitted to enter restaurants that serve dinner to people without recording their conversations.  No doubt many of these liberal take advantage of this to discuss politics over dinner with other liberals.
*Did you know there’s no law against liberals having cocktail parties?
*To make it even worse, many liberals working in media or politics have offices where they work with other liberals, and therefore have unfettered access to unrecorded conversations with each other. 
*But it turns out even those who don’t work in physical proximity with other liberals often use instant messaging services to conduct conversations with each other as if they worked together.  Not only does instant messaging create a scandalous veil of privacy over these communications, but it’s also rumored that they use improper grammar and spelling. 
*Liberals are permitted to both purchase books written by other liberals or check them out of the library.  Either way, they brazenly read those books quietly, and enjoy thoughts about them that they aren’t forced to share with other people. 

Taken to its logical conclusion, the only form of communication we’ll be allowed is blogging, but only if every reader reports their thoughts straightaway in comments.  Maybe also Facebook, but only if all the privacy controls are turned off.  And then they’ll have to create new rules to explain why it’s scandalous to allow us even this. 

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 04:41 PM • (34) Comments

Well, you have to understand, Amanda, if liberals are allowed any of these rights that Americans enjoy, they might start winning political power in this country. Maybe even some elections. This would spell the end of America for reasons that are too obvious to even be spelled out.

Comment #1: RickMassimo  on  07/27  at  05:46 PM

Sully having a conniption because people don’t worship him? Perish the thought!

Comment #2: MAJeff, the God of Biscuits  on  07/27  at  06:20 PM

Amanda, an honest question about Journolist: How many women were on it?  It seems to me that the list was a good ol’ boys club in many respects.  I know Stephanie Mencimer at Mother Jones identified Katha Pollet and Sarah Spitz—but are there any more? It seems that in all of the insidery-handringing there hasn’t been any self-critical reflection about the makeup of the list (that said, I’ve only read Sullivan, David Corn, and Nick Baumann on the issue) but perhaps I’m wrong.  Care to shed some light on the subject?

Comment #3: SBE_2  on  07/27  at  06:24 PM

every reader reports their thoughts straightaway in comments.

I thought that was already compulsory?

Comment #4: firefall  on  07/27  at  06:35 PM

Taken to its logical conclusion, the only form of communication we’ll be allowed is blogging, but only if every reader reports their thoughts straightaway in comments.  Maybe also Facebook, but only if all the privacy controls are turned off.  And then they’ll have to create new rules to explain why it’s scandalous to allow us even this.

It’s a Brave New World.
Also, can I just tell all of you here how much I absolutely adore the NSA.  That, right there, is a stand up group of go getters who are all smart, handsome, and impeccably well dressed.  Why, there is not a single bad thing I could say about this truly wonderful and patriotic group of fellows.

Comment #5: Zifnab25  on  07/27  at  06:39 PM

Seemed to me like there were a lot of women on it.  Don’t forget that Ezra started it; he’s not inclined to be particularly sexist.  The lists that are circulating in the right wing blogs aren’t really very accurate.  The interpretations of them are even less so.  For instance, I saw some folks at Free Republic calling Jesse and Adam Serwer white.

Comment #6: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  06:43 PM

Minor tysop and error:

Liberal homes are often installed with telephones, and most phones made from them go unrecorded.

“most phone calls made from them are alleged to go unrecorded, although the large demands for storage by the NSA and the voice recognition software used, with the tie-ins required with the phone companies make this a question.”

Comment #7: James  on  07/27  at  07:01 PM

Where’s that Onion article where Republicans were outraged that Democrats were doing stuff to get elected?

Comment #8: BrianX  on  07/27  at  07:12 PM

*Did you know there’s no law against liberals having cocktail parties?

I’m not sure this is strictly true.  I think conservatives believe that it’s not technically legal for liberals to hold cocktail parties, but it’s something police largely ignore, since the illicit vibe of a liberal cocktail party encourages liberals to openly declare their most vile beliefs, with virtually no provocation.  These parties are often “allowed” by police to give conservative double agents access to liberals’ most complex plans for social machinery, as well as free bloody marys.

Comment #9: Byronic Commando  on  07/27  at  07:12 PM

You forgot to mention that sexual congress between liberals sometimes results in offspring, whom we then indoctrinate with liberal values ... until they become teenagers and turn to Ayn Rand, neo-Reaganism, or anarchism. The horrors!

Seriously, though, I am wondering about one charge that critics have raised - that the list encouraged a kind of groupthink. To what extent was this true, if at all?

Personally, I also wonder how healthy it is to have lists that encourage in-groups and out-groups. For instance, I belong to a list that’s open to anyone who teaches women’s and gender studies. It’s not selective, as long as you belong to that basic target group. There’s no attempt to filter out people who are feminist critics (e.g., Daphne Patai is a member). But my impression of Journolist is that it helped solidify a hierarchy in the liberal blogosphere by choosing certain bloggers as insiders who mattered. I’m similarly uneasy about closed lists within the feminist blogosphere.

I’m not concern trolling here; I’m sincerely wondering about the dynamics on the list and your assessment of its effects. And since I don’t trust a thing Tucker Carlson says, I’d rather ask those questions of someone I like and respect.

Comment #10: Sungold  on  07/27  at  07:13 PM

http://www.theonion.com/articles/republicans-blame-election-losses-on-democrats,5496/

Might be this one… not sure. I remember it as being longer, but this certainly fits…

Comment #11: BrianX  on  07/27  at  07:23 PM

These idiots have been foaming about “the Liberal media” for many years, and they’ve had problems due to the obvious “vaguely socially liberal, strongly pro-corporatist” bent of the American media (which is, by the way, very very clear to overseas people).

And now they’ve found the smoking gun!  Well, the smoking cap pistol.  Would you believe a catapult that looks vaguely greyish?

Comment #12: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  07/27  at  07:33 PM

Several of the things you mentioned actually are illegal, depending on the jurisdiction.  There was just an article in the Detroit Free Press about local laws against such things as having promiscuous sex, inviting another to engage in immoral activities (like voting for Democrats), owning books contrary to good morals (which any conservative will tell you means anything a liberal would enjoy reading), or having snowball fights.  Ok, the snowball fight thing wasn’t on your list, but I thought it was funny.

Comment #13: libdevil  on  07/27  at  07:43 PM

This has to be one of the most overhyped bs stories of the year.  And considering that the right wing rage machine specializes in overhyped bs stories, that’s an accomplishment.  I can’t even believe anyone is taking this seriously.  You know, I’m not surprised though that it was a scorned Tucker Carlson who began this whole thing.  He’s just a little lord fauntleroy.  I don’t think he ever got over the hot spankings he got from his Nanny as a boy.  There is one guy I wouldn’t be surprised to find out was visiting prostitutes and asking for a Vitter Special.

Comment #14: JennyLI  on  07/27  at  07:52 PM

“every reader reports their thoughts straightaway in comments.”

Which would come down to comment pages full of:

“I’m hungry. I want ice cream!”
“KITTY!”
“Why can’t conservatives learn how to spell?”
“LOL”

Comment #15: Bethynyc  on  07/27  at  08:00 PM

Bethynyc, you’re so obviously not male 8-)...

Comment #16: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  07/27  at  08:02 PM

This has to be one of the most overhyped bs stories of the year.

You have reminded me of one of my favorite sites:  <a >Project Censored</a>.  Although I can’t find it on their site, one thing they usually highlighted in their annual book is “junk news,” the news that the major media disseminate to distract from the real news they don’t want us to know…

Comment #17: James  on  07/27  at  08:47 PM

Seriously, though, I am wondering about one charge that critics have raised - that the list encouraged a kind of groupthink. To what extent was this true, if at all?

Not in the slightest.  Putting a bunch of opinionated liberals in a room together creates the opposite of groupthink, and often creates flamewars.

Comment #18: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/27  at  08:49 PM

Speaking of telephones, my new IPhone 4, which was fully charged, mysteriously was drained of power in matters of minutes today when I was in the subway. Does anybody know what possibly went wrong?

Comment #19: Lee  on  07/27  at  09:31 PM

No, even blogging with wide-open commentary is too secretive. You have to deliver your opinions to Tucker Carlson before allowing anyone else to see them, and if he tells you they’re wrong they must be bit-bucketed unread. (Albeit he is allowed to quote selectively from them to prove how evil you are.)

Comment #20: paul  on  07/27  at  09:59 PM

Speaking of telephones, my new IPhone 4, which was fully charged, mysteriously was drained of power in matters of minutes today when I was in the subway. Does anybody know what possibly went wrong?

It was the LIEbruls.  Made you want a “cool” phone and then secretly and cabal-al-ly broke it.

Palin’s “wild ride” story is pure nonsense.  I don’t know how much “there” is “there”, but no one in the larger blogs or MSM wanted to go anywhere near the weirdness of the ever changing, ever wilder, “Wild Ride” birth story.

Palin gave us all much more to use, anyway, but Trig’s birth story is much odder than any Kenyosity Conspiracy.

Comment #21: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  07/27  at  10:33 PM

It is, nevertheless, embarrassing in parts. The Rev. Jeremiah stuff wasn’t exactly great. And apparently Spencer Ackerman is the left’s Vox Day. Rutgers inferiority complex?

Comment #22: John Joel Glanton  on  07/27  at  11:44 PM

Sorry if people think there’s something off about you if you engage in uterus-obsessive conspiracy theories, Chet. If you don’t like people giving you pitying looks, try being less drawn to kooky nonsense.

Comment #23: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  10:37 AM

Also, I fail to see why the non-conspiracy theorists have “no” evidence.  I think the hundreds of eyewitnesses to Palin’s pregnancy is a pretty good kind of evidence.  It’s certainly better than showing pictures of a woman who is 6 months pregnant and complaining that she doesn’t look 9 months pregnant.  (A gestation age she never reached, by the way.)

Comment #24: Amanda Marcotte  on  07/28  at  10:41 AM

The whole Trig Palin Conspiracy is like 9/11 Truth with extra dumb.

Comment #25: atheist  on  07/28  at  11:08 AM

Not in the slightest.  Putting a bunch of opinionated liberals in a room together creates the opposite of groupthink, and often creates flamewars.

HAH! Yeah, I’ve been on some listservs over the years which weren’t exactly political but did tend to attract the politically liberal . . . and good grief, the nuclear flamewars those lists tended to erupt into every 3-4 months.

Comment #26: hp  on  07/28  at  11:40 AM

But it turns out even those who don’t work in physical proximity with other liberals often use instant messaging services to conduct conversations with each other as if they worked together.  Not only does instant messaging create a scandalous veil of privacy over these communications, but it’s also rumored that they use improper grammar and spelling.

What about the fucking cussing!?  Don’t they know liberals are foul-mouthed, ill-tempered (or shrill), fuckers who say “fuck”?

You forgot to mention that sexual congress between liberals sometimes results in offspring, whom we then indoctrinate with liberal values ... until they become teenagers and turn to Ayn Rand, neo-Reaganism, or anarchism.
Comment #11: Sungold

Hey, now!  Don’t lump me in with those sociopaths.  Most anarchists know that anarchy is wonderful in theory but will never work in practice because when we allow Randians and Reaganites to wander around without adult supervision they begin foaming at the mouth and biting ankles.

Bethynyc, you’re so obviously not male 8-)…

Comment #17: Phoenician in a time of Romans

“I’m hungry. I want bacon!”
“KITTY!”
“Why can’t conservatives learn how to spell?”
“LOL”

Better?

Comment #27: cynickal  on  07/28  at  03:30 PM

  “Bethynyc, you’re so obviously not male 8-)…”

“I’m hungry. I want bacon!”
“KITTY!”
“Why can’t conservatives learn how to spell?”
“LOL”

Better?

Nah - unless there’s a stray thought about scratching one’s package, it’s not a true male stream of consciousness.

Comment #28: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  07/28  at  06:01 PM

#30

Well, then, atheist, doubtless you can show Sullivan the irrefutable positive evidence for Sarah Palin’s maternity of Trig.

Maybe you could show me the positive irrefutable evidence that the moon is made of silicate rock. But you can’t, ha ha! AND SO I WIN!!!

Comment #29: atheist  on  07/28  at  07:39 PM

OK, shit, you’re right. I just don’t care enough about Trig Palin’s parentage. He could have been carried to term by Levi Johnston in his abs and I still wouldn’t care.

Maybe if this particular conspiracy theory someday gains enough traction, Palin will be forced to submit a blood sample from herself, Trig, and Bristol. And then you’ll have positive irrefutable evidence of whatever the truth really is. Of course, this conspiracy theory probably will never gain enough traction for that, and will probably remain a tawdry sideshow to one of the stupidest candidacies in American history.

Comment #30: atheist  on  07/28  at  08:45 PM

Shorter amanda: “Picture a camera, staring into a Liberal’s face…forever.”

Comment #31: Dr. Psycho  on  07/28  at  10:19 PM

#37

Funny - you cared enough to call me names about it.

Why is that?

Because its still so STUPID.

1. Is there a good reason to care about Trig Palin’s parentage? No.
—1.A. There is already a preponderance of evidence that shows Palin is totally unsuited to any government position. (1) (2)
—1.B. There is no logical reason anyone would care about her carrying Trig, other than conservative culture warring.
2. Will you ever get good proof that she carried Trig or did not? Probably not.
3. Even if you got some actual proof that she did not carry Trig
—3.A. Liberals will not change their very low opinion of her.
—3.B. Conservatives won’t believe you, and will not change their high opion of her.

Enough of this, I feel vaguely dirty even talking about it.

(1) “Alaska is near Russia, and Gov Palin’s other foreign policy experience”, Fabius Maximus blog, 1 Sept. 2008

(2) “Immigration Excerpt from Bill O’Reilly interview with Gov Sara Palin”, Youtube, uploaded 10 July 2010

Comment #32: atheist  on  07/29  at  07:40 AM

one thing they usually highlighted in their annual book is “junk news,” the news that the major media disseminate to distract from the real news they don’t want us to know…
Comment 18—James

That’s a bit more paranoid than I usually think of Project Censored as being, name aside; the general thrust of their message, best I can tell, is “the media underreport important stories because they don’t think there’s any money in it, and report on fluff because they have 24 hours to fill.” No conspiracy at all.

Ok, now, the last thing I will ever say on Trig Palin’s birth, I hope: the most compelling evidence of the baby not being Palin’s appears to be that Sarah Palin is a lying liar who lies, and she said it was her baby. There is no affirmative evidence; that is, there’s a lack of certain proofs (though not any proof) that Trig is hers, but there’s no proof that he isn’t. So you look at other things, such as cui bono, and “Palin just likes to lie” doesn’t cut it (particularly since I don’t know that it’s the case—she may be wrong a lot, and she may not be averse to saying things the truth of which would benefit her regardless of whether they’re actually true, but I don’t think she lies for the sheer joy of lying).

All that said, surely this is a post about Journolist, and the idea that privacy is somehow un-American. I guess it’s a logical next step from the conservative insistance that pregnant women and homosexuals have no right to privacy, and the refrain of “the innocent have nothing to hide.”

Comment #33: Hershele Ostropoler  on  07/30  at  12:05 PM

There was just an article in the Detroit Free Press about local laws against such things as having promiscuous sex, inviting another to engage in immoral activities (like voting for Democrats), owning books contrary to good morals (which any conservative will tell you means anything a liberal would enjoy reading), or having snowball fights.  Ok, the snowball fight thing wasn’t on your list, but I thought it was funny.
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Comment #34: chenchen21621  on  08/02  at  05:45 AM
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