The right-wing in a nutshell.

The increased suffering caused by our current healthcare system is not a bug to these people.  It is a feature, possibly the most important.

Damn.  Now, who is the Jew of liberal Obamacare fascism again?  I can never remember.

We knew this was a very slippery slope. Bill Kristol likes it though

Amanda, can you cover how the health care bills will deal with reproductive health expenses? I may not be looking in the right places, but I haven’t seen much coverage of what effects the proposed legislation may have on coverage of abortion and birth control (although I believe that any public option would be precluded from covering abortion). And I just got an email from NOW saying that one of the proposed bills would prevent insurance companies who currently cover abortion from doing so.

And if I’ve just missed the relevant post (either here or elsewhere) a link would be much appreciated.

“That’s OK, sweetie. I didn’t expect any better from YOU”
Practice saying it, calmly, gently and dismissively. It comes in handy in all kinds of situations: somebody cuts in front of you in the grocery store check out line, somebody gropes you, you’re a Jew and somebody says “Heil Hitler”... you will probably encounter other situations. I know from experience that it gets attention.

I have no words… what a horrific display of hate and ignorance. Talk about people who have NO LOGICAL ARGUMENTS for their position!

Stay classy, post-Cheney Republican Party demographic!

Un-fucking-believable.

I don’t understand why an IDF veteran is being heckled by a woman in an IDF T-shirt.

Because she’s an American Know-Nothing, and probably a Xtian fantasist. For that brand of anti-semite, the only thing the IDF is good for is fighting in an apocalyptic war in the mideast that’ll finish the job Hitler started.

So you’re saying the whole time it was the jews who were Naziing up Germany?  /facepalm!
What a twist!

How do you argue with people that make it a badge of honor to have no clue what they’re talking about?  It’s like arguing with a parrot.  All they know how to do is repeat what they’ve been told, completely independent of the circumstances.

I mean, it just leaves you absolutely stunned.  Who does this woman think she’s winning over?  I couldn’t convince myself with that shitty logic.

Amanda, can you cover how the health care bills will deal with reproductive health expenses? I may not be looking in the right places, but I haven’t seen much coverage of what effects the proposed legislation may have on coverage of abortion and birth control (although I believe that any public option would be precluded from covering abortion).

There isn’t a “health care bill” is why.  Everyone’s fighting over a fallacy. 

But if you go to RH Reality Check, I’ve been covering some of the possibilities in my podcast, and other writers have covered it as well.  This interview with Dana Goldstein that I did is illuminating, I think.  In sum: there will almost surely be an amendment in the bill to force insurance companies to cover contraception (basically to put it out of the hands of a board that could be run by Republicans eager to slash contraception coverage), but abortion won’t be covered by any kind of public option.  Planned Parenthood and other Title X recipients will get some protection from anti-choice nuts looking to use this to slash funding.  What’s worrisome is that conservatives will get an amendment that forces insurance companies that currently cover abortion not to do so.  However, that doesn’t seem to have much of a foothold, and congressional Democrats have said they want to keep the status quo—-companies that cover abortion will continue to do so, but there won’t be a mandate.

The Hyde Amendment prohibits federal funds from being spent on abortions.  I think the work around for this was to limit the funds spent on abortion to the amount the patient paid in premiums.  That said, I have no idea how they plan to disentangle all the costs associated with surgery - specifically emergency surgery - when it comes to abortion.  If you start hemorrhaging and need to be rushed to the hospital via ambulance or if you need pain killers or if you require an IV, does the public option cover the ambulance ride and the anesthesiologist and the bed pan?

I don’t understand why an IDF veteran is being heckled by a woman in an IDF T-shirt.

Wow, I missed that. It does bring an extra level of crazy, doesn’t it?

To be fair, she was mocking him for complaining about paying $8K for an ER visit, not for objecting to the mention of Hitler. I guess she’d cheerfully lay out that much money and be thankful.

As a Las Vegan, I apologize for this numbnut.

I don’t understand why there is still any attempt to talk to these people or include them in the debate.  We don’t even really have a debate going on.  We have one side giving out facts and information and the other side sticking their fingers in their ears yelling, “I CAN’T HEAR YOU. KEEP YOUR HANDS OFF MY SHIT.”

I don’t suppose there’s any chance that a Democrat will ever get up the nerve to draft legislation appealing the Hyde amendment?

The public plan has to cover reproductive health, or else the forced-birthers have won a major victory.  No bill has yet fully addressed this issue.

What about medically necessary abortions that happen in hospitals?  What about fetuses with no amniotic fluid or anacephaly or a mother with pre-eclampsia or toxemia or placental abruption?

Should these women just die?  Forfeit future fertility?  All b/c they can’t pay?

That’s another cool thing I found out about my new Representative—he’s fully supporting reproductive options in a public plan.

I don’t suppose there’s any chance that a Democrat will ever get up the nerve to draft legislation appealing the Hyde amendment?

They’re actually moving (albeit slightly) on DOMA and DADT.  If those work, I’ll have maybe/probably hope for the Hyde Amendment repeal.

So you’re saying the whole time it was the jews who were Naziing up Germany?  /facepalm!
What a twist!

I have had people tell me—in all seriousness—that it was actually the beginning of the Gay Agenda. All those upside down triangles were just to keep y’all off our trail.

...Crazy people can’t be talked to. Do not engage. Back away slowly. Laugh once you’ve reached a safe distance (preferably inside an armored vehicle—these people are armed).

This scene is so weird. Why is it, of all people, that a woman in an IDF shirt would start this fight? Its a confusing thing.

What’s truly sad about this incident is that right-wingers would consider this a victory for the woman.  She reduced the liberal to sputtering rage and called him a pussy!  That’s how teabaggers win debates.

Should these women just die?  Forfeit future fertility?  All b/c they can’t pay?

In a word, yes.  If they were good conservative pseudo-Christian white women, God wouldn’t have fucked up their pregnancies.  So they’re either sinners or some sort of inferior non-people, if they need this sort of care, so they can die.  Preferably in agony and poverty.  Serves them right for being black, or atheist, or unmarried, or otherwise not chosen by God.

Hmm…I did some hunting and that exact shirt is available for sale here: http://www.israelsoldiers.org/ which, I found linked from this blog: http://unitedconservatives.blogspot.com/ (one of the milblogs), which I found with the google search “tea bag patriots idf” http://unitedconservatives.blogspot.com/ Its p.ossible she is just a wingnut that joined in with this FIDF thing, and also like yelling “heil hitler”. Doesn’t make a lick of sense, but what does in all this mess?

Or check this one out: http://thepoliticaloctagon.com/?p=3477

As to the IDF shirt—reminds me how the doublethink practiced by “Israel Can Do No Wrong” wingnuts, especially of the Podhoretzian sort,  is scary.  A friend of mine in college who was wealthy and Jewish wrote a newspaper editorial with the thesis “Socialism has never worked.  Except on kibbutzim.  But socialism has never worked.”  The guy’s gone on to become a big union-busting lawyer; and although Israel suffers from a lot more neoliberalism than it useta, it still takes health care and other “social democratic” principles for granted.  Also everyone in the IDF has learned about evolution in school, which IIRC Commentary also opposes.

That woman is a vile, disgusting, PIG.

I’m shaking I’m so mad at seeing this garbage.

These people are fucking evil.  Pure fucking evil.

@stephen—You know, my theory is that she wandered by as the guy was talking positively about national healthcare and automatically launched into the ‘Supporting Obama’s healthcare is like supporting Hitler’s socialism!’ hysteria that many wingnuts are claiming right now. ...Only to realize afterward that she had screamed that AT A JEWISH PERSON.

Of course, gawd forbid she have to apologize or acknowledge she had just done something unspeakably cruel to a complete stranger—so she kept up the spiteful behavior towards him on principle. Because people who speak favorably of nationalized healthcare don’t deserve to be treated decently, after all.

What a fucking asshole.

Epic Godwin?

You ere right Amanda. The teabaggers are anti-choice. She has been identified and revealed hereself as anti-choice. And anti-sex

“I don’t care what they do with this health care bill. It will not pay for abortions. If somebody wants to go outand have wild sex, for the fun of it, then they can pay for the consequences. I’m not going to,” said Pamela Pilger who was at the meeting and opposed the plan.

Pamela Pigler?  Eh, close enough.

POS.

Not merely “epic Godwin”, but some kind of Mobius-like meta-Godwin. It could only get worse if the heckler was actually Hitler.

You know, the words I want to be saying to this piece of shit are “Stay classy, asshole”, but the only words I can think of right now are “Go fucking kill yourself. Seriously, just fucking kill yourself or find someone to do it for you.”