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Yep, their plan is for you to work until you keel over

Steve Benen has a post up expressing amazement that Republicans have decided to make “starve the unemployed” a talking point. Not that it’s surprising that many Republicans believe that unemployment benefits are wrong because they give people who live paycheck to paycheck the occasional opportunity to avoid taking extremely shitty, underpaid work that makes it difficult to look for another job with any potential at all.  Just surprising that they’d say that in an era of 10% unemployment, when it seems politically unwise to tell people that it’s their own fault that they can’t get a good job in the worst economy since the Great Depression, and implying they’re lazy.  Clearly, the teabaggers are emboldening a lot of dipshits in the Republican party to say stupid shit they’d otherwise think twice about.  Most people find these statements appalling, but teabaggers hear nothing but ego-stroking—-the underlying argument they hear is that hard times could never fall on them, because they’re good people.  Wishful thinking goes far with right wing populists.

I realize Democrats are smart enough to use this to their political advantage in fund-raising and getting votes, but there’s so much more that you can do with this.  After all, here’s your major argument for why they’re against universal health care.  They cannot stand the idea that someone who has to work for a living might have options, that you may be able to hold out for a better job because you don’t have the threat of death or homelessness hanging over your head.  Universal health care means being able to have insurance that’s meaningful at all between jobs, after all.  If you have a pre-existing condition, for instance, you basically have to take any job that’s out there, no matter how shitty, as long as it has benefits.  Yes, they’re trying to build a society where 90% of people work themselves to death so the other 10% can live lives of unbelievable sloth and luxury.  There’s ways that Democrats can weave that truth into a larger narrative in campaign ads.

I wish I could say I feel sanguine now that the Republicans are running around telling Americans that they’re lazy people who don’t deserve to live, and that we only exist to work our fingers to the bone to enrich others.  Unfortunately, I’m not resting easy.  That message puts off most people, but it energizes a wacky minority, and an energized minority often can wield a lot of power in a democracy.  (Look at the anti-choice movement, for instance—-they’ve made huge gains while basically standing for the principle that the way 95-98% of Americans live should be severely restricted and punishable by law).  We should be very afraid, especially when the Democrats often are so afraid of their own shadows, they’re always making a bunch of random concessions to conservative craziness to exactly no electoral or political benefit.  I, for instance, can’t wait until Republicans start claiming on TV that KSM got the civilian trial that Obama nixed, and the hosts don’t bother to correct them.

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 11:32 AM • (39) Comments

Republican Party to the poor and unemployed, “Are there no prisons?  Are there no work houses?”  I strongly expect them to attempt to criminalize poverty in the near future (it is, after all, evidence of a severe character defect).

Comment #1: DrDick  on  03/08  at  12:08 PM

They’re back to the “bitch-slap” model of political campaigning. The only good answer involves tar and feathers.

Comment #2: paul  on  03/08  at  12:19 PM

“f you have a pre-existing condition, for instance, you basically have to take any job that’s out there, no matter how shitty, as long as it has benefits.” - This is not a joke; the fact that I have Type 1 or juvenile diabetes is the thing that makes poverty so scary to me. I can go without eating for a while, and scrape along in a garret with the best of people - but I can’t go without insulin for very long at all without consequences.  I once worked 30 hours a week for no pay, because I was desperate and scared about a lapse of coverage, and an employer offered to hire me for benefits only - so I could continue to have insurance coverage.  So I took it, with gratitude (this was during a recession), and found another 20 hours for pay that allowed me to pay the copays on my insulin and buy a little food. If I hadn’t had friends generous enough to let me camp in a spare room for free until I could afford to pay them back, I would have had to live on the streets or go without insulin.

Comment #3: mccn  on  03/08  at  12:28 PM

Why isn’t Delay still in prison?

Comment #4: Eric_RoM  on  03/08  at  12:56 PM

Well, when we share this country with the Randian Supermen of the Republican Party, how can it be any other way?  After all, they are our social, moral, intellectual, and genetic superiors — as any long hard look at Tom DeLay will amply demonstrate…

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Okay, I can’t keep that shit up.  The palpable evil dripping off the scaled hides of the reptilian Republicans can’t be tolerated any longer.

Bring back the Guillotine, and let them eat cake in Hell!...

Comment #5: MikeEss  on  03/08  at  01:01 PM

There’s a weird bug infesting your site, that keeps sending me to some advertisement (I’m not touching any buttons!)

Comment #6: scratchy888  on  03/08  at  01:03 PM

I really feel bad for the people who buy into this so much that they go on believing it whenever they end up unemployed.  I’m sure it’s the minority of them, but there will probably be some people who refuse to accept unemployment benefits even if it means they or their children go without food and other necessities.  And for those who accept the benefits, how many will feel self-loathing because of it?  Nobody should have to feel bad about being part of a society that cares for its members, especially people who already feel bad enough about losing their job.

Comment #7: bananacat  on  03/08  at  01:05 PM

I think that apart from their Reptilian slave-masters, there are quite a few of the move naive followers who entertain the notion of a just universe, which is very responsive to moral earnestness and discriminates between a good attitude and a bad one.

Comment #8: scratchy888  on  03/08  at  01:05 PM

scratchy888 @6—It’s happening to me, too.

Comment #9: rowmyboat  on  03/08  at  01:10 PM

Why isn’t Delay still in prison?

DeLay never went to prison.  The Texas courts threw every charge out, and the federal courts wouldn’t touch the case.  Something about laws being for little people.

Either way, I’m happy to see Republicans embracing the inner asshole.  Having Michael Steele run around bashing Wall Street bankers and valiantly defending Medicare from cost cuts was actually spurring some populist support.  But this Scrooge-tastic “f the poor” approach, combined with a netroots offensive against bank-friendly GOoPers, might turn things around.

It’s a long way to November.

Comment #10: Zifnab  on  03/08  at  01:14 PM

It’s all comprehensible if you keep in mind that the modern GOP operates on the sick principles of the sociopath—indifference to the suffering of others and quite willing to use that to serve their agenda of regaining power. By their opposition to any meaningful health care reform, they are more than happy to dance on the graves of the 200,000 Americans who will die in the coming decade because they lack health insurance, not to mention the suffering of those who have pre-existing conditions or rack up medical bills that lead to insurance companies recissing their policies. Similarly, their near-unanimous opposition to the stimulus package meant they were quite willing to see unemployment skyrocket to 25+% as our nation plunged into Great Depression 2.0.

Comment #11: revrick  on  03/08  at  01:28 PM

scratchy888 @6—It’s happening to me, too.

Me, three.  keeps redirecting me to something called “redorbit”.

Comment #12: DTG in STL  on  03/08  at  01:30 PM

@cratchy888 & rowmyboat

If you’re using Firefox then the Noscript plugin is useful for situations like this:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/722

It’s can be a bit annoying at first having to whitelist sites you want scripting on, but it’s worth it to avoid all the pop-ups, unwanted resizing and redirection, and malware infections.

Comment #13: robelanator  on  03/08  at  01:35 PM

Well said Amanda.  that is exactly what is driving them crazy.  If you lose your job as say, a computer programmer, you should be on your knees cleaning toilets for minimum wage, not collecting unemployment while you get your resume polished and network (which takes time and effort) and hang on until you get a job that is at least somewhere in the ballpark of your education, skill, or experience, or all three.

In fact, they’d love it if you were forced by the state to come clean THEIR toilet bowls in exchange for the UI benefits.  And they’d treat you like shit while you were there.  And they’d get off on it.

I see more and more sadism on the right.  It’s appalling.

Comment #14: JennyLI  on  03/08  at  01:39 PM

Speaking of Republican evil, I didn’t think it was possible for a creature to be more vile and despicable in that party than Dick Cheney.

And then his daughter arrived on the national stage.

What a foul, evil, wretched human being Liz Cheney is.  Because we are theoretically a nation of laws that provides rights to the accused, she is now pushing the message that Obama’s DoJ ought to be renamed the “Department of Jihad”, and that DoJ lawyers assigned to defend terrorist suspects are now to be called “the Al Qaeda Seven”.  Nevermind the fact that the protocol being followed in this matter is no different than that which was followed prior to Obama’s presidency, nevermind the fact that DoJ has always provided attorneys to the accused when requested, nevermind the fact that the right to counsel is enshrined in our fucking Constitution, this monster decides that unless we start executing Muslims on site, we are providing aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

She is quickly becoming a modern day Joseph McCarthy.

Comment #15: DTG in STL  on  03/08  at  01:40 PM

Me as well—I just added noscript so hopefully that will fix things.

Comment #16: Bethynyc  on  03/08  at  01:45 PM

Dick Cheney actually was responsible for privatizing much of the military and outsourcing its responsabilities to companies like, say, *Halliburton*. His own views on the subject of the powers of the executive branch and what to do with enemy combattants are no less vile than Liz Cheney’s, and he actually was in power to implement the current clusterfuck. I still think Dick wins out on the evil scale, but that’s mostly because he’s had more years to practice his black art. Maybe the daughter can beat the dad in 20 to 30 years.

Comment #17: BlackBloc  on  03/08  at  02:00 PM

Nevermind the fact that the protocol being followed in this matter is no different than that which was followed prior to Obama’s presidency, nevermind the fact that DoJ has always provided attorneys to the accused when requested, nevermind the fact that the right to counsel is enshrined in our fucking Constitution, this monster decides that unless we start executing Muslims on site, we are providing aid and comfort to Al Qaeda.

Exactly.  The teabaggers and their “national security” obsessed conservative allies claim to represent the a return to constitutional first principles, yet advocate the most shameful violation of its spirit through torture, indefinite detention w/o trial, and the like.  The idea that it’s okay to engage in these acts because non-citizens are not protected by the constitution completely misses the point.  The constitution *does not grant rights*.  The spirit of our founding documents (if not the practice of our founders) is that all people, not just people who were lucky enough to be born within our territorial borders, are *inherently endowed with inalienable human rights*.

Comment #18: robelanator  on  03/08  at  02:14 PM

I’ll say the same thing I said the last time this thing came up. People don’t even say this shit in a good economy.

But a political loser? Maybe, maybe not. It should be. It should be political and moral poison, especially with a “10% unemployment” (I believe a better measure is employment, NOT unemployment), but it’s not. And that’s because as a society we focus on micro solutions to unemployment. Just “finding” a new job, getting more educated, getting a better resume, etc. When the real problem is that there’s not enough jobs to go around, and as such workers have a declining amount of bargaining power. Make no mistake, a full UHC program, especially single payer, would do a great deal of increasing this power. But as it stands, the power is declining.

And it’s this power that determines the quality of jobs and wages. But it’s popular, among progressives and conservatives alike, to view micro individual solutions to weakness in the labor market instead of dealing with the market itself.

How do you deal with the labor market? Rebalance out hours to get more people working. Increased competition for workers would increase wages over time to match out the losses. And as productivity increases, we’ll need to reduce non-overtime hours further.

And yes, this will result in people working less and having more free leisure time. This is not a bad thing.

Comment #19: Karmakin  on  03/08  at  02:15 PM

@robelanator #18: I know this isn’t the gist of your argument, but the fact is that the Constitution does protect the rights of non-citizens. In many places it refers to the rights of “Persons” but only talks about “Citizens” here and there, mostly regarding qualifications for holding elected office.

Comment #20: catfood  on  03/08  at  02:21 PM

The Democrats should point out these facts every chance they get but I’m not holding my breath. Because they haven’t even bothered to point out the number of republican lawmakers who have been hospitalized, had surgery, got a prescription filled for themselves or a family member using their government funded health care. If the Dems really want to get down and dirty, they could start paying for info. The Enquirer paid $50,000 for info about Farah Fawcett’s cancer. Downright disgusting but in this case a) the information could unearth something really useful to use against a hypocrite who has it coming and b) it would cost a lot less than $50,000 to get someone to spill the beans in this economy.

Or we could do as Sarah Palin recently pointed out, go to Canada for free health care like her family did when she was a kid.

Comment #21: DC Fem  on  03/08  at  02:51 PM

I see more and more sadism on the right.  It’s appalling.

That’s what happens when you’ve got a party run by media pundits who get more air-time when they act like psychos. All anyone really sees of the GOP is Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, and Bill O’Reilly venting their various violent fantasies—so the followers in the party decide “Hey, Limbaugh and Beck are successful movers-and-shakers, maybe I should be more like them.”

Hence: more GOP sadism, more sociopathic behavior, more assholery. Psychosis is getting mainstreamed.

Comment #22: Scott  on  03/08  at  02:55 PM

Conservatives can’t even keep their talking points straight.  For months they were screaming “death panels!” and now they are coming out with a “kill the poor” mantra.  Days ago Tim Pawlenty was saying that the ER should be able to turn away patients to cut down costs.  If that isn’t calling for death panels, I don’t know what is.

Comment #23: Albert Cirrus  on  03/08  at  03:01 PM

be some people who refuse to accept unemployment benefits even if it means they or their children go without food and other necessities

A friend of mine whose grandfather had that attitude towards ‘relief’, as it was called during the Depression, was willing to let his family starve in Oklahoma rather than accept charity.

When I opined that it was rather biologically suicidal, he got very angry and we almost came to blows about the subject.

My family had a different route, my grandfather used to jacklight deer in order to put food on the table.

It was only very recently that Professor Avenger admitted to me that he had known hunger at times until Grandpa Avenger got a job at the defense plants near Mare Island right around the time before Pearl Harbor.

Comment #24: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  03/08  at  03:21 PM

Conservatives can’t even keep their talking points straight.  For months they were screaming “death panels!” and now they are coming out with a “kill the poor” mantra.  Days ago Tim Pawlenty was saying that the ER should be able to turn away patients to cut down costs.  If that isn’t calling for death panels, I don’t know what is.

No, you just don’t understand wingnut logic.  Letting poor people and brown people die isn’t a problem.  It’s only bad when you make up a fictional story about someone putting Real Americans(TM) in front of death panels.  They don’t consider it hypocrisy because they feel like they are real people and others are just an annoying invasive species.  And even though any people other Native Americans have ancestors who sort of “invaded” this country long ago, conservatives don’t only see themselves as taking what they’re rightfully entitled to because they’re better than everyone else for some reason.

Comment #25: bananacat  on  03/08  at  03:44 PM

We should be very afraid, especially when the Democrats often are so afraid of their own shadows, they’re always making a bunch of random concessions to conservative craziness to exactly no electoral or political benefit.

This is a big problem. I thought Obama would be smarter - not more honest or more liberal, but at least more intelligent. I guess not.

DeLay’s case was bottled up by Republicans. I don’t know the current status.

http://harpers.org/archive/2009/01/hbc-90004116

Comment #26: bay of arizona  on  03/08  at  03:54 PM

catgirl & dark avenger

Many wingnuts are no longer willing to starve. Google any story about the uptick in folks on food stamps and you will find an interview with someone who has been “forced” to use them. Their quotes are usually along the lines of, “I always thought food stamps were for lazy people who just don’t want to work. I never thought I would have to apply for any kind of aid but I’ve got kids.” They still see themselves as better than poor people even when they’re one step from a park bench themselves.

Comment #27: DC Fem  on  03/08  at  04:04 PM

Rebalance out hours to get more people working.

France reduced its work week to 35 hours to try to reduce the unemployment rate.  It didn’t work.  When faced with artificial constraints like that, employers squeeze more productivity out of their existing employees, do the work themselves, or go without.

Comment #28: keshmeshi  on  03/08  at  04:07 PM

Letting poor people and brown people die isn’t a problem.

Well, it’s a PR problem for the right, but if it’s mostly under the radar it’s cool.  Their faux free-market fundamentalism (because of course the bigshots don’t actually have to play by free-market rules) is at its core meant to kill any sense of social responsibility beyond what churches advocate—the more “free” individuals are to be shit upon by everyone from employers to hospitals to local businesses, the more it’s their own fault.  It’s completely morally loathsome.

Comment #29: latts  on  03/08  at  04:27 PM

@AnglScarlett;  You wouldn’t believe how many people are appalled that I didn’t apply for retail/fast food jobs when I got laid off, but took unemployment while looking for something in my field.  I’m an aerospace engineer.  Apparently I should have taken a horrible job that would have paid less than my unemployment benefits (I still pull in $15 more per month than my husband, who works retail and has had 3 raises and a promotion since he started) and searched for an engineering job in the evenings.  When I point out that it took me 5 months of full-time job hunting to get one interview, it’s dismissed as me being bad at job hunting, or something.  This is particularly frustrating when it comes from people who haven’t had to job search for 20 years or so.  Now that I have a new job, but in a new location, I’ve been doing most of the job searching for my husband so all he has to do is tweak his application and send it to places, and that’s taking up about a third of his free time.  He’s already saving up sick days for interviews.

On the bright side, my white-middle-class-highly-educated self going on unemployment has changed the opinions of unemployment amongst my tween to teen cousins, who no longer buy the cadillac driving welfare queen stereotype.

Comment #30: Emaloo  on  03/08  at  04:33 PM

“I always thought food stamps were for lazy people who just don’t want to work. I never thought I would have to apply for any kind of aid but I’ve got kids.” They still see themselves as better than poor people even when they’re one step from a park bench themselves.

The sad thing is that so many of these people have such little insight that they will go back to trying to reduce welfare benefits as soon as they don’t need them anymore.  It’s kind of like those women picket abortion clinics one day, go in through the back door for their own abortion the next day, and then get back out there and picket again the following day.

Comment #31: bananacat  on  03/08  at  04:49 PM

This is beyond appalling.  And I don’t know that there is some consistency between this and the whole death panels thing—it may be more of—say bad shit about the other side, even if it is not true, say bad shit that we want—and say it isn’t bad.

Comment #32: Ismone  on  03/08  at  06:02 PM

I really feel bad for the people who buy into this so much that they go on believing it whenever they end up unemployed. Catgirl

I don’t Catgirl. These are the same flag waving yahoos at the McCain/Palin <s>crossburnings</s> rallies.

Comment #33: pitbullgirl65  on  03/08  at  06:10 PM

I call on all unemployed Tea Baggers, particularly those who receive food stamps, to make the great sacrifice to their ideals and return their checks and food stamps to the government!

I’m sure Tom DeLay and his church will be more than happy to put them up at their houses and feed them three squares a day.

Comment #34: MadLibrarian  on  03/08  at  07:36 PM

Emaloo, I do believe it.  Too bad you had to put up with that, but glad to hear you found a decent job after all of that bs.

Comment #35: JennyLI  on  03/08  at  07:44 PM

Speaking of appalling, I was pretty boggled when what’s-his-face was the one holding up the unemployment benefits.  I was checking my Yahoo mail, and Yahoo always throws headlines at me (that for some reason usually have to do with Sarah Palin, but I digress).  I click on them sometimes, but I know the comments are going to be horrendously sexist, racist, and any other ist (“stupid” has “i-s-t” in it somewhere) you can imagine.

Well, I clicked on some headline about the unemployment thing.  And I was pretty sure what I’d find.  Yep, yep, a lot of comments saying, “I’m unemployed right now BUT HE’S SO RIGHT!” and “I’m unemployed right now BUT I SEE WHERE HE’S COMING FROM!!”  I guess it explains why these people have so much time to comment on Yahoo news, but ... wow.  Talk about being against your own interests.

Comment #36: BonAppetit  on  03/08  at  10:13 PM

Speaking of Republican evil, I didn’t think it was possible for a creature to be more vile and despicable in that party than Dick Cheney.

And then his daughter arrived on the national stage.

What a foul, evil, wretched human being Liz Cheney is.

Another step forward for feminist equality.

Unfortunately.

Comment #37: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  03/08  at  10:25 PM

BonAppetit:

It’s very similar to someone I know online. He grew up homeschooled and is an avowed libertarian. He also worked sales for both Verizon and Comcast. And he is anti-union—says that his paycheck should be between him and his employer. Admittedly, he is young; still, it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to me to willingly sacrifice union bargaining power.

Comment #38: BrianX  on  03/09  at  12:42 PM

Libertarianism as it’s described isn’t automatically anti-union. Freedom of assembly, freedom of contract—it’s anti-union activity that libertarians should oppose.

Comment #39: Hershele Ostropoler  on  03/10  at  09:24 PM
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