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Yes, Nevermind is *20* years old next month

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LaToya Peterson has a great piece in Spin's newest issue dedicated to Nirvana's Nevermind, which turns 20 next month, and a bunch of extra quotes she had to cut for length but she published here. Her piece is an examination of the social, political, and cultural context that turned what probably would have been a underground rock record turned mild breakout hit---think Jane's Addiction---into a megawatt blowout hit that actually did change the music industry for a few years, before they reverted to cranking out half-naked teenagers pretending to be virgins to get some easy hits.  LaToya's argument, and I think it's well-founded, is that the early 90s were something of a Reagan hangover and my generation, which is really kind of a lost and abandoned one compared to the ones that flank it, was perfectly set up to relate to the angst and alienation that Nirvana was serving up on a platter.  I think the proof's in the pudding on that one.  

My relationship with Nirvana began and ended on the road, which isn't as strange as it sounds.  I liked being on the road and concocted many reasons to not be stuck in my small town, feeling bored and frustrated, and especially feeling alienated from the hyper-conformist atmosphere at my tiny high school.  Surprise!  I was not very keen on the social climbing politics of a small town Texas high school, where the worst thing you could say about someone was that they were "different".  So I took lots of trips.  I visited my dad in El Paso a lot.  I went on school trips, and enjoyed spending time around kids from other small towns, kids whose lack of knowledge of my official reputation as "ugly" meant they saw a perfectly normal-looking teenage girl and not the deformed monster the kids at my high school saw.  Being not at home suited me really well.

Thus, I first heard "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in a hotel room.  I was 14 years old and I do believe on the first trip I'd ever take with the speech/debate team.  By the end of my high school career, I had gone on more of these trips than I could count; during the height of the season we were out of town nearly every weekend. I got into my room, and as was my habit, I flipped on the TV to MTV.  It was night, and it was probably late 1991/early 1992.  Anyway, the video for "Smells Like Teen Spirit" was on, and like pretty much everyone else around that time, I was absolutely transfixed by it.  I don't have to remind you of its power and its aggression and how it captured so perfectly the sense of alienation.  For a kid like me, whose least favorite part of the week was being forced out of class to sit through the hell of pep rallies, watching a video based around a pep rally turning into a riot was like every fantasy I'd ever had rolled into one. I was particularly impressed by the anarchist cheerleaders---taking a piss all over the hallowed role of "cheerleader" was inconceivable in my world, and it delighted me.

It's not like it was my introduction to good music or anything, though it did have a large impact on my growth as a fan.  I was already into REM and some other 80s-style indie rock music, and I think I may have already acquired a Sonic Youth CD by then, though I can't remember.  I was in the process of converting myself from teeny bopper to glowering rock fan teenager.  I knew where I was headed, but Nirvana really did help me get there. 

A little over two years later---through the popular revival of Bleach, the release of In Utero, the "Sassy" cover, the horror as frat boys and rock stupid jocks got into the band and nearly ruined everything---the relationship as it was ended because Nirvana ended.  And I was on the road again, this time at a week-long camp thing for kids interested in careers as journalists.  I forget how I found out, but I ran into a room full of some of the kids I was finding simpatico and simply said, "Kurt Cobain's been found dead.  He shot himself in the head."  No one was surprised, I think.  But it was still devastating news to us.  That night they had a dance to wind up the week of camp, and my small group of camp buddies (including the inevitable making-out partner) and I asked the DJ to play some Nirvana.  At first he refused, saying that the organizers specifically told him not to, because they were worried the kids would get out of control.  It was a weird thing to think, but I suppose a little youthful alienation has always looked dangerous to the square side of adults, even when it's objectively not.  When the DJ gave in---c'mon the guy had just died, how could you not?---we bounced around to "Smells Like Teen Spirit" in the spirit of camaraderie as fans, and no riots happened.  

On the flight home, I put my copy of Nevermind, which was taped off the CD, into my Walkman.  I played it from beginning to end twice, fingering the dirty, peeling tape on it between listens while I looked out of the window.  I didn't look forward to going home and I didn't really think that we'd ever put Nevermind in the player again as we drove up and down the main drag in town, circling around looking for something to do or someone that was interesting, a something and someone that never materialized.  When the second play-through ended, I fell asleep and slept all the rest of the flight from D.C. to El Paso, where my mom was picking me up for the four hour drive back home, so I could go back to school again on Monday, to drift through the next year of my life spending most of my days with people I didn't like who didn't like me.  I've never been able to fall asleep on a plane since. 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:47 PM • (64) Comments

First of all: 20 years??? Shit.

Second, just wanted to comment that I had a similar experience to getting out of town and realizing that the social hierarchy that was as good as law that I was locked into in high school was completely fluid in the outside world. I wore very thick glasses in middle school and was teased relentlessly for it. Got contacts, didn’t matter. My fate was sealed. Then, I went to work and to out of town things like debate tournaments and camps and stuff and found that all of that didn’t matter.

The funny thing is when you go back home and find the same people on the top rung of high school hierarchy are still exactly in the same place and think they are still there and worse, that it still (or ever) mattered.

But yeah, Teen Spirit was a nice Fuck you to that shit. And pep rallies, a ridiculous celebration of conformity in high school, was a perfect theme for the video to take shots at.

Comment #1: Lexie  on  08/05  at  02:21 PM

Brings back such memories.  I was at the beginning of my senior year in high school when this came out, and it was right in the musical wheelhouse of myself and my friends.  Bookend that with the fact that I saw one of Nirvana’s last performances in the US (they played at my college) only weeks before Cobain died.  I just remember that whole musical era vividly, and it still defines much of what I find appealing, music-wise.  High School/college is where so many people really find themselves as ‘people/adults’, and this music was just the absolute defining feature of that part of my life.  Sitting in my basement making mix tapes of the entire Seattle music scene, getting excited because I met a guy who knew a guy who worked at Sub Pop, spending the week before I left for college road tripping with friends to go to Lollapalooza ‘92 (not a Nirvana show, but the playlist, as I remember it, included Pearl Jam, Soundgarten, RHCPs, the Jesus and Mary Chain, Ice Cube, and…now I’m fading), and then almost immediately falling in with the alternative/punk/raver crowd in college.

But now I’m feeling very old over the fact that it’s been 20 years…

Comment #2: sam  on  08/05  at  02:28 PM

That video set coulda been any Austin DIY venue circa 1982.  (ALA, Studio 29, Voltaire’s Basement, Ark Co-op)  Ironic that it was already capturing a somewhat bygone era in rock.

Comment #3: elpathos  on  08/05  at  02:44 PM

I’ll be honest: I despised Nirvana when they made it big around 1991. Part of that dislike was due to the fact that I thought “Smells Like Teen Spirit” was being overplayed (maybe it wasn’t, but it seemed that way to me) and because around that time, I was in a several-years-long phase of rock “classicism”. I’d been an enthusiastic new wave kid in the early to mid 80s, then new wave faded and I didn’t care much for Top 40 radio after that. So I discovered (or perhaps rediscovered) the music my parents listened to (much of which was actually pretty good), stuck with that for quite a while and didn’t pay much attention to contemporary rock/pop music. Plus, I didn’t identify well with the theme of teen/young adult angst, which isn’t to say that I didn’t experience said angst, but I that I didn’t label it as such at the time. I was nowhere near the top of my high school hierarchy, but I really liked high school nevertheless. I was doing well academically, I had friends and I was doing fun school-related things. Home was boring or alienating. Home was where I didn’t want to be and spending a lot of time at school or with friends was a good way for me to do that. But I didn’t like pep rallies either.

Jump to around 1995 or so. I’d graduated college, was working a job in my first (now since left behind) career and I was at home listening to the local indie/“modern” rock station that I decided to tune into because people I knew from college and work were talking about it. So Nirvana comes on, I listen, and I decide, “hey, they were pretty good after all.” Bought Nevermind, listened to the whole thing and changed my mind about Nirvana (and lot of similar bands). I’ve gone through the same or similar process with several other bands since then.

Comment #4: Linnaeus  on  08/05  at  02:44 PM

Amanda, as someone who went to a jr. high in Denton, TX, and experienced a similar scorn that my dad summarized as “being the only white sheep among the black”, I can attest to the narrow-mindedness and mindless rah-rah that were similar to what you describe.

I never had to attend a pep rally because a friend and I would be allowed to opt out and stay in a room by ourselves without supervision, so throw us in that briar patch again.

That and the inaccessibility of the library except before or after school, made the Texas educational experience stand out in my mind.

Comment #5: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/05  at  02:46 PM

Really enjoyed this essay.

Comment #6: rb1  on  08/05  at  03:00 PM

Hearing Smells Like Teen Spirit puts me back in a barracks room in Okinawa, seated by an improvised table, playing spades at four in the morning, waiting for the typhoon to blow over.

Good times.

Comment #7: prufrock  on  08/05  at  03:15 PM

I remember coming home from my job waiting tables at a bar and turning on MTV and seeing this video for the first time.  I remember I felt really old and like I’d missed something really important.  I was 22.

Comment #8: megbon  on  08/05  at  03:27 PM

I thought Nirvana was overrated when they first broke, but was happy to see them anyhow because the music of the few years preceding was so bad. I kept waiting for something new to come along that I could fall in love with or some kind of change, then this happened.

I have good memories of the 90’s. I was young enough then to believe in inevitable progress, and thought that music, politics, everything, would just necessarily keep improving as I got older. Now I know that’s not true and it makes me extra appreciative of when positive breakthroughs do occur.

Comment #9: Veronica  on  08/05  at  03:28 PM

I’m from the generation just ahead of you. An 80s kid. Joy Division was my “Nirvana” (so to speak). Anyhoo, I know so many people who were teens when Nevermind came out and I was able to watch their world change the way mine had when this little Nashville stoner redneck got his hands on “Unknown Pleasures”. The similarities are, of course, obvious, but beyond the “lead singer suicide” thing, it was just nice to know that music could still have that affect on people with all the fake plastic shit that’s out there.

Comment #10: Mark  on  08/05  at  03:31 PM

Really enjoyed this essay.
Comment #6: rb1 on 08/05 at 03:00 PM

Ditto.  You evoke something personal here that I can identify with, Amanda.  Thank you.

Comment #11: oldfeminist  on  08/05  at  03:41 PM

Good essay. I can relate. Nirvana gave early ‘90s misfits like me a fleeting glimpse of a more interesting, nonconformist life.

I was very, very shy and nonathletic in high school—which happens to have been in a small town in West Texas. It was NOT CONSIDERED OK to be shy and nonathletic in a small town West Texas high school. The fact that I had strict parents didn’t exactly help matters—everyone else smoked and dranked and f—-ed and ran feral (yes, just like in “The Last Picture Show”). So I was seen as a goody two shoes, too. Pep rallies? Sheer hell, though I quietly mocked them. Even though I transferred to another high school* the damage by the rigid HS social hierarchy was done, and I didn’t really feel free to be myself until college. AND it wasn’t until I was in my late 20s/early 30s that I finally embraced my inner introvert. So be it. That’s who I am. That might have been part of Cobain’s personality, too.

*Though to sure, at High School Number Two, I at least felt comfortable enough to dress up as a “Spells Like Teen Spirit” video anarchist cheerleader for Halloween. I am not sure I fully appreciated Nirvana until 1999 or so, when record companies started cranking out subpar teen pop featuring cheerleader-like “singers.” (Kind of like the jocks and cheerleaders making another hurrah, isn’t it?).

Comment #12: 4Non-Jocks  on  08/05  at  03:46 PM

I could have really used Nirvana and the grunge thing when I was in high school.  Alas, I graduated way too soon, and so I missed being in Nirvana’a target audience by about 15-years.  I needed a good dose of that raw dirty angst (not that I didn’t have plenty of my own), but I had The Captain and Tennille, Frampton Comes Alive! and the Saturday Night Fever soundtrack instead. 

(The greatest musical disappointment of my life was discovering punk — which had been hitting stride right when I graduated from high school — decades after it was already gone.  If only I’d known about the Ramones, the Dead Kennedys, and the Sex Pistols when it mattered.  Oh well, nevermind…)

After hearing “Smells Like Teen Spirit” about 17-million times, some of the other songs off the album started to get played and I mellowed out from my original skeptical stance toward Mr. Cobain and crew.  I really liked several cuts off In Utero.  I still cringe when I hear some of the cuts off Nirvana’s Unplugged In New York gig (Kurt’s voice was seriously overmatched) played on my local radio station.  Otherwise, Kurt and I were like ships passing in the night — on opposite sides of the planet.

In the wake of his passing, we have Courtney Love, Frances Bean Cobain, and Dave Grohl’s Foo Fighters.  Whether that’s a blessing or a curse is a judgement I’ll leave to others…

Comment #13: MikeEss  on  08/05  at  03:55 PM

I remember hearing Mother Love Bone in freshman year of college and telling somebody to turn that crap off and put on some Taylor Dayne.

Comment #14: norbizness  on  08/05  at  04:00 PM

Sorry, gotta rain a little here.

Nirvana was a very good band - I really liked all their stuff, especially Unplugged, it was a beautiful set, and I’ve learned later, basically pre-assembled, note by note, by Cobain for maximum impact, so major props. Grohl has gone on to have as much impact and maybe more; Novoselic was an amazing musician in his own right, just seems not to have chosen the spotlight, staying indie.

Then Cobain waxed himself. Well, screw him. All the money and support in the world, almost adored by his fanbase, with a daughter on the way and a wife who, at the time also a screwball, was extremely talented. But no, let’s do the shotgun tango. Fuck him.

One thing I found memorable, however, that day on MTV, were the constant PSAs, every 15 mins or so, saying, and I don’t have a quote but this is close:
“Like, hey, you know, Kurt Cobain, you know, from Nirvana, like killed himself today you know, and that’s like something you should not ever do. So if you are like feeling down about it and want to you know hurt yourself, like don’t do it, okay, talk to someone.”

If I’d ever had a desire to engage in that kind of hero worship it abruptly got stomped on that day - if your life is so bad, that when someone else; Cobain or anyone, Hawking, Einstein, Shatner; does something so stupid that you want to end yourself, you need more than help - maybe start over at grade school.

Comment #15: paleotectonics  on  08/05  at  04:04 PM

One of the great regrets of my life:

I was at a Laker game in the Forum in late 1993. The old Forum scoreboard used to display a rolling ticker of upcoming events that you could buy tickets for. I looked up during a timeout and it said that Nirvana was coming to play there late in the year. I thought “that sounds fun, I’ve never seen them, I should, I think I’ll buy tickets”.

But for one reason or another, I let the matter drop and figured they be back.

That turned out to be the band’s last LA appearance.

Comment #16: Dilan Esper  on  08/05  at  04:06 PM

I live in Seattle, and got tired of Smells Like Teen Spiritit because it was played everywhere, all the damned time for a while, and since I was 31 when Nevermind came out, I’m a bit ahead of the target demographic.  Damned if it didn’t resonate with the memories of my geek outsider self growing up in a very small town in the South (there were 25 in my graduating class), though.

The biggest joy of leaving that town behind was realizing that my status in high school had no relevance whatsoever to my new life.  If you are from the wrong side of the tracks or if your family has a history or if you made a big public mistake once, you will never get away from that.  I once heard an adult say about one of my classmates, “Oh, his granddaddy was the town drunk, so he’ll never amount to anything.”  What a horrible way to grow up, feeling doomed from the start. 

I love Facebook because I’m “friends” with some of the people I left behind lo these many years ago.  I can see exactly the life I would be now living if I hadn’t fled to the Northwest, because they’re all still living the high-school-hierarchy-forever life.  The big jock in high school married the (pregnant) head cheerleader, but now he’s working at the electrical motor plant and she’s working part-time at Walmart., and the church potluck is the high point of their month.

Comment #17: NobleExperiments  on  08/05  at  04:14 PM

Wow, 20 years…this was high school for me too. I was always late to finding out about new music, thus when Kurt Cobain died I had really only started listening to Nirvana a few months before. But I will never forget my friend Brian, who loved Nirvana and even looked a little like Cobain, coming into class crying and telling everyone the news. Not long after that my friends and I got our licenses and an real life introduction to the grunge scene. High school life was infinitely better because of that.

Comment #18: Livi  on  08/05  at  04:16 PM

@15: Gotta say, it’s kind of weird to see somebody lambasting a person for suffering from a serious, untreated mental illness on a blog dedicated to progressive politics. You think that you maybe wanna think about that one a little harder?

Comment #19: Finnegan  on  08/05  at  04:24 PM

Then Cobain waxed himself. Well, screw him. All the money and support in the world ...

Except I’d venture to say that ‘all the money and support’ was what bugged him out about pop culture to begin with. Even if he could have stayed apart, his success insured that the hated borg would co-opt his style. Inevitably his album covers would get printed on prewashed Ts sold at target.

So yeah, unlimited success, cry me a river. But I think the ‘all the money’ part is at best value neutral vis-a-vis his depression.

Comment #20: rb1  on  08/05  at  04:30 PM

Like #17, I was 32 and living in Seattle (my hometown) in 1991 so I was a bit beyond the point where music can change your world view. I had been, I have to admit, a big prog rock fan in high school and then wandered off to college in California where enlightened roommates exposed me to punk/alternative. Unfortunately, I found much of the mainstream music of the 80’s just insufferably dull and I didn’t spend a lot time searching for better stuff, so finding Nirvana and the other grunge acts was a fantastic break. They got a lot of radio play here and it was just refreshing to actually enjoy listening to music again. Was Nirvana the greatest band of the 90’s? Probably not, but their contribution to can’t be discounted. Of course right here is where someone tells me that Mudhoney or The Pixies were really the heart of the matter. Oh well.

Comment #21: Col Bat Guano  on  08/05  at  04:32 PM

I once heard an adult say about one of my classmates, “Oh, his granddaddy was the town drunk, so he’ll never amount to anything.” What a horrible way to grow up, feeling doomed from the start. 

No doubt. Consider original sin and the prospect of eternal broiling on a skillet. That’s a mindfuck and a half.

now he’s working at the electrical motor plant and she’s working part-time at Walmart., and the church potluck is the high point of their month.

Well, hopefully they’re happy. I’m sure their kids deserve it.

Comment #22: rb1  on  08/05  at  04:35 PM

I have a friend who knows a bunch of the lesser lights from that whole Seattle scene and to this very day he swears up and down it was Courtney Love what drove Kurt Cobain around the bend. At the time, he swore up and down that she should have been charged with his murder.  His opinion of her has not mellowed in the ensuing years.

Additionally, props to Cobain for sharing the Unplugged spotlight with my favorite alt/indie rock band: The Meat Puppets.

Comment #23: Hornet  on  08/05  at  04:37 PM

I totally buy that Courtney drove Kurt crazy.  She’s teh evol.

Comment #24: elpathos  on  08/05  at  04:47 PM

the horror as frat boys and rock stupid jocks got into the band

[url=“http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MkRuV0aCcI”]You ain’t hardcore ‘cause you spike your hair
When a jock still lives inside your head[/url]

 

Comment #25: Cris (without an H)  on  08/05  at  05:10 PM

“Of course right here is where someone tells me that Mudhoney or The Pixies were really the heart of the matter. Oh well.”

Unfortunately, even though Mudhoney & The Pixies were/are great, they didn’t have the impact that Nirvana did. Even if they should have. My opinion. ;->

Comment #26: Mark  on  08/05  at  05:18 PM

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I was never much into grunge and the whole Seattle scene, but I did appreciate how Nirvana stripped hard rock of its fashion pretenses.  I was uninterested in heavy metal throughout my teen years in the 1980’s, in part because I couldn’t stand the posturing, whether it was glamorous spandex-clad hair bands or menacing leather-clad speed metal theater.  Then Cobain and crew come along wearing the same clothes they were skateboarding in earlier that day.  It felt honest.

Then of course every kid started wearing their long-sleeve flannels under their t-shirts.

Comment #27: Cris (without an H)  on  08/05  at  05:22 PM

By the time I got into popular music around the end of high school in the mid-‘90s, Nirvana was already seen by many friends and classmates as music for the “older kids”(high school classmates who already graduated).  The bands my friends and I got into were more pop-punk such as Green Day and Offspring.  Only thing remotely grunge-related was one classmate who was really into Soundgarden. 

As a high school/college kid of the mid-late’90’s, I felt Nirvana was way too slow, depressing and mopey.  I’d much rather listen to much faster paced music where there was more high energy and a feeling the bands were not only giving the finger to the TPTB, but were also having fun and laughing at them and their followers at the same time. 

Even nowadays…while I do have greater appreciation for Nirvana’s role in music history, I still feel songs like “Smells like teen spirit” and the guitar tones are more appropriate for lounging around while being drunk/stoned out of one’s mind.  While that’s fine for those who like it….it’s way too boring for me….especially as a 17-twentysomething.

Comment #28: exholt  on  08/05  at  05:36 PM

I enjoy the political analyses that can usually be found here, but I also found this more personal post to be emotionally resonant. Thanks for sharing.

Comment #29: atheist  on  08/05  at  05:38 PM

paleo, you meant to say “attempt to rein it in”, at which you failed.  By the way, depression is a serious and real illness that strikes the rich and famous, too.

Comment #30: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/05  at  06:16 PM

Nirvana was my brother’s band. He got really down when Cobain shuffled off his mortal coil and I’m sure this essay would be a lot more touching for him than for me. My interest in music was only casual until I got into 80s hardcore punk, then I branched out into a whole lot of other stuff (I like most of the different punk subgenres, metal, got into folk and francophone rap and hip hop a bit). I did listen to Nirvana but not that much. I like stuff that has much higher tempo than that.

Comment #31: BlackBloc  on  08/05  at  06:20 PM

Then Cobain waxed himself. Well, screw him. All the money and support in the world, almost adored by his fanbase, with a daughter on the way and a wife who, at the time also a screwball, was extremely talented. But no, let’s do the shotgun tango. Fuck him.

oh yeah; because mental illness always disappears as long as you’re wealthy and have family. Because that’s how mental illness works.


Fuck you

Comment #32: jadehawk  on  08/05  at  06:24 PM

Great post! I was born in Seattle, moved away to Idaho through high school, and went back to Seattle for my undergrad years—exactly the right age to see everything as it happened. Nirvana went from playing at the Student Union to int’l superstars quickly enough that I didn’t even see it happening until all my music nerd friends in other cities were getting angry at my hometown for being overexposed. By the time I went to Shanghai in ‘93 everybody else seemed sick of everything Seattle. I felt kind of sheepish about it, but screw that, I didn’t personally force lattes and flannel and 70’s revivalism down everyone’s throat: like every other musical trend, it was just exactly the right band in exactly the right scene, at a time when people were ready for it.

Heard about Cobain’s death in Shanghai, and wasn’t surprised at all. Went through a few years afterwards where hearing any Nirvana song was painful and embarrassing somehow, like remembering something awful that happened to friend and there was nothing I could do about it. Kind of cheesy, I know, but I still can’t listen to Nevermind, not because I don’t like it, but because it makes me uncomfortable. Only Bleach and In Utero.

Comment #33: Dr. Locrian  on  08/05  at  06:30 PM

Unfortunately, even though Mudhoney & The Pixies were/are great, they didn’t have the impact that Nirvana did. Even if they should have. My opinion. ;->

With all respect to Mudhoney (which, unlike Nirvana, I did get to see a couple of times in their prime), there’s always a Mudhoney with respect to every big new music fad. You can find plenty of prog rock people who will swear that King Crimson was the real deal and they don’t know why Pink Floyd and Genesis hit. You can find plenty of 1960’s Brit rock fans who say that the Kinks were the real deal and so much more creative than the Beatles or the Stones. The real 1950’s rock ‘n roll types knew that Big Joe Turner rocked so much harder than Elvis or Bill Haley. Glenn Miller and Benny Goodman may have sold the records pre-war, but Fletcher Henderson was the true genius. Etc.

It’s in the nature of big commercial splashes that the purists will swear that someone else was better than the act that hit the big time. Partly because often times big commercial splashes DO entail compromises; but partly also because there’s a lot of people out there whose outlook towards music is something like the Jack Black character in High Fidelity; swearing that THEY understood what the public never did.

Comment #34: Dilan Esper  on  08/05  at  06:34 PM

Heh, yeah if the Pixies had been as big, then people would be saying that some other band should have gotten all the credit.

Comment #35: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/05  at  06:56 PM

@ Dilan,

Comment #36: Mark  on  08/05  at  07:07 PM

Damnit!

Anyway, what I was going to say before Blaspeming too soon, was that I don’t think the Pixies or Mudhoney were more “pure” or “better” than Nirvana. I love Nirvana. I just love the Pixies and Mudhoney too.

Comment #37: Mark  on  08/05  at  07:10 PM

I was 31 at the time the album was released, a little old for teenage angst and teenage rebellion, but what I felt immediately was this: “This will kill off hair metal”.  Sure enough, within 6 months, no one would be caught dead in a Poison/Bon Jovi/Motley Crue t-shirt except idiots like Chuck Klosterman.  For that alone, Nirvana are Rock Gods.

For me, the saddest thing about Cobain blowing his brains out (apart from Francis Bean growing up not really having known her father, since she was even 2 when he died) was that Nirvana seemed to sense that the soft verses/hit the distortion pedal - screamed chorus routine was played out.  I thought the Unplugged album offered an interesting direction they could have taken, almost a chamber pop thing. *sigh*

Comment #38: Henry Holland  on  08/05  at  08:13 PM

Sorry, missed this comment before:

You can find plenty of prog rock people who will swear that King Crimson was the real deal and they don’t know why Pink Floyd and Genesis hit.

The original King Crimson (the Fripp/McDonald/Lake/Giles/Sinfield group) WERE the real deal (as were the 73-74 Fripp/Cross/Wetton/Bruford edition) but it’s easy to see why Pink Floyd and Genesis were selling out hockey arenas while KC was playing in ballrooms: their music was song-based, in Pink Floyd’s case were based on pretty basic chord & rhythm patterns, they weren’t intensely aggressive like KC, they focused a lot on vocals etc.  Of course, ELP in their heyday (1971-74) were one of the biggest touring acts around, sold a ton of records and did it all playing stuff like 32-minute versions of Tarkus and stuff like Toccata.  Yes (1971-1975) was the compromise between them all.

Comment #39: Henry Holland  on  08/05  at  08:20 PM

I was maybe 21 when a friend dragged me to a dive bar in Ann Arbor because she wanted to see this band and she knew they’d mosh, and since I’m big and had been going to mosh pits since I was 14 or 15, she wouldn’t get knocked over. I was like yawn, mosh pit, wash rinse spin, but had a crush on her so off we went. And an hour later my jaw was hanging open: these Nirvana characters were Minor Threat or Black Flag in a world of Poison and Warrant. And I’d seen the real Minor Threat and Black Flag; they had the same energy, the same sense of doing rather than posing.

Fast forward two years, I’m staying at a friend’s parents’ empty house in northern Michigan, decompressing after two years in the Peace Corps in tropical Africa, freezing my ass off in a Midwest winter, and SLTS came on MTV rotation. It made me feel at home in a way that the Red Hot Chili Peppers’ bozo rap-rock act definitively did not.

Fast forward two more years, my GF and roommate and I got another roommate who was in retrospect suffering from some kind of borderline personality disorder, but at the time was just a Major Pain in the Ass. We found that she only liked horrible sensitive singer-songwriter folky crap, and that just by playing In Utero we could drive her away.

Then we all heard the news at once. People took to wearing a Tshirt with Cobain’s face on it and 1967-1994 underneath it. Since both my GF and I were born in 1967, the whole thing was a lot freakier than it otherwise might have been, because while it was tragic, his path was no less obvious than Amy Winehouse’s was last year. After that, everything was either cool electronica or shaved 25-year-olds in real cheerleader costumes. I still haven’t seen that energy since. Maybe I’m just old.

Comment #40: felagund  on  08/05  at  08:47 PM

Amanda, you’re really good at this kind of memoir-style writing!

Comment #41: PhysioProf  on  08/05  at  08:53 PM

My interest in music was only casual until I got into 80s hardcore punk, then I branched out into a whole lot of other stuff (I like most of the different punk subgenres, metal, got into folk and francophone rap and hip hop a bit). I did listen to Nirvana but not that much. I like stuff that has much higher tempo than that.

Blackbloc,

You phrased part of why I wasn’t into Nirvana a lot better than I did. 

I liked Weird Al’s and a cover band’s versions of “Smells like teen spirit” more than the original because it sounds much more lively because they play it at a higher tempo.  Listening to Nirvana and grunge felt enervating as opposed to energizing….especially to my 17-twentysomething self.

Comment #42: exholt  on  08/05  at  10:13 PM

I came to my experience a little differently.

I was born in 1975, and was the absolute demgographic that went bonkers over Nirvana.  I remember at my (all-male) high school all the guys were playing the Use Your Illusion albums, Metallica’s black album and Nevermind interchangeably, as if it was all just ‘rock music’.

I heard Nevermind, and, to be honest, thought that it had a ‘pop’ sensibility that was being ignored by everyone.  I don’t say that as an insult, but rather that Kurt (with Butch Vig’s producer sheen) had crafted catchy hooks, but grafted them onto an idiosyncratic lyrical sensibility that was amazing.

I remember the MTV awards in early 1992.  The following acts played live :  u2, Guns n’ Roses, Nirvana,  Pearl Jame, En Vogue and Eric Clapton.

The thing I remember most?  Seeing a five-second clip of ‘Silent all These Years’ as a nominee for one of the awards, going out the next day and buying Little Earthquakes, and playing that, Nevermind and Ten in my car non-stop for the next month.

Comment #43: Aussiesmurf  on  08/05  at  10:57 PM

stunningly well written piece.  Thank you.

I was a freshman at Penn State when this (and a couple of other notable albums - blood sugar sex magic, gish, 10…) dropped, and I remember about a 3 or 4 week period where it was (or seemed like) just a few of us listening to it… and then you couldn’t walk down the street or into a party without hearing it.

Comment #44: timotimo  on  08/05  at  11:02 PM

we make better music…

what’s the harm of scoffing bourgeois atheist piglets?


http://thethinkingatheist.com/forum/Thread-new-rulership-for-SCOFFING-BOURGEOIS-ATHEIST-PIGLETS

 

Comment #45: xd20002  on  08/05  at  11:34 PM

btw, amanda…

this looks like u


http://www.valentinesperformingpigs.com/images/piglets_red_spotted.jpg

Comment #46: xd20002  on  08/05  at  11:48 PM

You’re looking at it wrong. It wants to irk and provoke but instead it’s just fucking hilarious. If it tries in another thread I’d delete it, but I think I’d keep at least one thread around for the awesome potential entertainment value. ... That, and I really really really want the OP to tell me what shit it’s on. Whatever it is, it’s damn good.

Thanks for visiting, David.

Comment #47: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/06  at  12:09 AM

It would be a real shame if someone hit that Markuze lunatic with a really nasty DOS attack.  Just saying.

Comment #48: Sour Kraut  on  08/06  at  12:59 AM

Man, I remember growing up in Southern California listening to KROQ in the 1980’s/1990’s, and they used to have this “Top 8 at 8, at 9” where they played the top 5 songs of the day.  And it seems to me at the time L7 and maybe Lush had a song on the countdown.  And suddenly this band Nirvana had a song that was #1, and I hadn’t heard it yet but it sounded kind of lame to me because I was sure it was some other girl band.  And the first time I heard Smells Like Teen Spirit it blew my teenage Orange County socks off.  Good times.

Comment #49: Wallace  on  08/06  at  01:13 AM

It would be a real shame if someone hit that Markuze lunatic with a really nasty DOS attack.  Just saying.

Bad idea, and not just because it’s illegal and wrong.  First, he posts from internet cafes.  You’re not going to hurt him by attacking the source, but you will be hurting the business owners of the cafes he uses.  Second, he doesn’t seem to have a site of his own, but rather spams other forums with his nonsense and then spams links to that to blogs all over.

Comment #50: ckitching  on  08/06  at  10:08 AM

ckitching,

Hence the phrase, “just saying.”

It would be better if internet cafe owners recognized him as a spammer and simply refused to let him use their facilities.

Comment #51: Sour Kraut  on  08/06  at  11:29 AM

The first time I saw that video was early in the 91/92 school year, and I saw it in my freshman social studies class of all places. The teacher we had was kind of a dud; if he finished lessons early he let us watch TV (which naturally meant MTV), but at a low volume. So my introduction to “Teen Spirit” was not as noisy as some others’—and it made me perceive the video as a little over-the-top. Mind you this was at an Orange County, CA high school, the exact sort of viciously stratified hellhole mocked in that video.

However, when I finally heard the thing at the proper volume (on MTV but at home this time) I understood it a little better. I gotta say that it took me a while to really appreciate that album, and the reason for that is the album seemed to go mega at my school in a weird way: the jock-and-cheer types jumped on it quicker than in other places. They either replaced their Warrant albums with Nirvana, or saw Nirvana as a logical extension of crazy G’n'R type metal. These were people that wouldn’t pay much attention to lyrics.

Anyway, I’ll admit that I didn’t go for it at first because it was so popular—a silly excuse, given that my most favorite album that year was “Achtung Baby,” but bands like U2 and R.E.M. were seen as your older sister’s music at my school, and too weak in the rock dept. when put up against Pearl Jam or STP or the Chili Peppers or Pumpkins, let alone Metallica or other dudebro metal bands. This was also 1991-92, so NWA and G-funk was everywhere too. The white kids were hilariously and fascinatingly frightened by Compton. Now, of course, all that stuff is classic rock (my wife’s 8th grade students have brought that lesson painfully home for the past decade).

I finally bought “Nevermind” as a junior in 1993, when “In Utero” was released. Yes, I was one of *those* people. I got into it once I decided that Nirvana was an antidote to macho (despite all the macho dudes who liked it). All the shitty hair metal that I hated in junior high was now dead or dying, and I had these guys to thank for it. I never became a huge Nirvana fan, but they were a gateway to other stuff I wouldn’t have noticed before and have loved for decades now: Pixies, PJ Harvey, etc.

But I am at root a spoiled white straight male child of suburbia, and that’s why the reissue that I’ve gone apeshit for this year is “Achtung Baby,” in all its overpriced, mendacious, stupid glory. I told you that you’d laugh if you knew what my “Smells Like Teen Spirt” was. It’s “The Fly,” the first single from that album. I’d rather not go into detail about that (in the interests of sparing everyone), but I didn’t know or care about U2 until then, and since 2000 I’ve cared about them much less (though much more than they deserve, of course). For better or worse the bizarro world ‘90s U2 was my favorite band at the time, Negativland parody and all.

I guess I’ve always liked older and stodgier rock (or other music) than what’s popular at any given time. I realized this when Arcade Fire won the Album of the Year Grammy. That was really weird. My favorite album of the year had never actually won that award before. That event told me that I would finally and forever be irreversibly out of touch with anything truly groundbreaking or creative. I mean, I loved “The Suburbs,” and I can see why that makes me yet another Clueless Yuppe…but I don’t care about that anymore, because the “Nevermind” and “Achtung Baby” reissues will both be awesome and I’ll buy them and briefly feel 15 and pretty and dumb again even though I turn 35 this year.

I love what you’ve written here Amanada. Thanks for this.

Comment #52: keirdubois  on  08/06  at  12:09 PM

The white kids were hilariously and fascinatingly frightened by Compton. Now, of course, all that stuff is classic rock

I want to find some kids now and rant at them about how nowadays rap is all SISSY rap and how when I was a kid we had PROPER rap about murdering police officers and dealing crack, the way rap is supposed to be.

Comment #53: Dan  on  08/06  at  01:28 PM

@15: seriously fuck you. My father had everything going for him too and killed himself in the same manner as Cobain. It’s attitudes like yours that shames people into not receiving the help they need.
I was 26 when this came out and was blown away by it.

Comment #54: pitbullgirl65  on  08/06  at  01:46 PM

20 years. Holy crap. My first experience of Nirvana was driving in a car with my mother and we were at a stop light. She’d had the radio on to the adult contemporary station I think, it played current “pop” music but at the time was mostly focused on stuff like Amy Grant. However, this one day, the radio DJ put on Nirvana’s Smells Like Teen Spirit. I remember sitting in the passenger seat, hearing that opening riff and immediately being transfixed because I was NOT expecting to hear something like that come from that radio station. My mother was the same way cause once the song was over she went, “What the hell was that?” And the radio DJ came back on and apologized for playing the song. I don’t know why he let it play all thew way through but I was glad because, being a kid from a very white, very conservative small MO town, I had found some salvation in Kurt Cobain’s music. We didn’t have cable in my house but whenever I was at my grandparents I watched MTV endlessly and loved seeing the SLTS video. Nevermind was the first album I ever bought. As a black kid, I got picked on by other black kids a lot for being “white” and listening to Nirvana (when I *should* have been listening to rap) didn’t help matters at all but I loved the album. I still think I have it at home, in it’s original cassette case. My mother told me Kurt Cobain had died, and at that point we had a satellite dish so I could get MTV in our home and I remember being hurt while watching Kurt Loder try to make sense of it. I didn’t have a full understanding of the problems Cobain was battling so I was surprised by his death. But at least for a little while I did feel like I had someone who understood me, as odd as it was. (BTW, Amanda, that cover of “Stay Away” by Charles Bradley & The Menahan Street Band is fucking amazing. Thanks for tweeting that).

Comment #55: UltraMagnus  on  08/06  at  02:10 PM

I’m way older than most of the commenters here, but I do own Nevermind and a few other 90’s rock albums.  I’m curious about Amanda’s hometown now, just assumed it was El Paso.  My wife grew up about four hours from there, in the Permian basin.  Anyway, good stuff from the Pandagon community.  This is my first post, but I’ll be back - Amanda has way to much good stuff to not respond to.

Comment #56: ChrisNGP  on  08/06  at  03:23 PM

Amanda was born in El Paso, TX,  but was raised in Alpine, TX, where people read books before taking in their cattle for the night.

ChristNGP, welcome to Pandagon (@2:42).

Comment #57: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/06  at  04:48 PM

Interesting link - a great move, fer shur - thanks Dark Avenger - you cannot call me Christ for short smile

Comment #58: ChrisNGP  on  08/06  at  05:30 PM

Sorry. ChrisNGP.  wink

Comment #59: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/06  at  06:35 PM

I have a friend who knows a bunch of the lesser lights from that whole Seattle scene and to this very day he swears up and down it was Courtney Love what drove Kurt Cobain around the bend.

He’s not the only one with this opinion…

Comment #60: Phoenician in a time of Romans  on  08/07  at  12:00 AM

*that Nirvana seemed to sense that the soft verses/hit the distortion pedal - screamed chorus routine was played out*

Nirvana’s stamp wasn’t their songcraft.  They were the embodiment of the Slacker (movie) ethos with Seattle stoner thrown in.  I think Cobain understood that they were more representing a certain aesthetic rather than a particular movement in music.

Comment #61: elpathos  on  08/08  at  12:31 PM

I want to find some kids now and rant at them about how nowadays rap is all SISSY rap and how when I was a kid we had PROPER rap about murdering police officers and dealing crack, the way rap is supposed to be.

I got to do that this weekend! It was every little bit as much fun as you might think.

Comment #62: Well, what?  on  08/08  at  04:03 PM

God, I’m too old already if I can remember when cops were screaming about “Cop-killer music”, like NWA were the Pied Pipers of Crime.

Comment #63: Dark Avenger Guardian Chow Mein  on  08/08  at  04:36 PM

Oshawa, Ontario was where I failed to fit in, and Elvis Costello was the musician who got me through the years of alienation, but these are mere details. Let’s hear it for those of us who survived high school hell with the aid of kick-ass rock and roll and went on to make something positive of our lives.

Comment #64: aiabx  on  08/11  at  01:37 PM
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