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You want more cooking?  Then you want more feminism.

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And with this, (hat tip), my boundless enthusiasm for Michael Pollan’s body of work starts to subside.  Where’s the Pollan of The Omnivore’s Dilemma, who openly worried that there weren’t more sustainable food farms that also had feminist values?  I guess he got eaten by a Pollan who knows that taking swipes at feminism gets you fat checks from the NY Times.  For even as he praises Julia Childs as a feminist icon—-a title she deserves, since she actively resist the sexism that makes women kitchen cooks, but turns men into chefs—-he’s doing the “best feminists are the ones who get thee to the kitchen and pretend that it’s liberation” schtick.  Because in his eyes, Childs isn’t a feminist hero because she made cooking a career for herself and didn’t apologize for that, it’s because she really liked cooking.  And feminists who suggested that having your own income might be more useful to a woman’s quiver of survival skills than knowing how to fricassee were just meany-heads with no sense of beauty.

I say this as someone who likes to cook, and who actually tends to agree with Pollan that it’s an interesting enough way to spend your time, especially if you feel like you’ve got a lot of freedom to experiment and fuck up.  More men should pick up the past time, which I know is something Pollan would eagerly endorse, if he wasn’t so busy blaming feminism to notice that it would be more interesting to beat up on men for a continued lack of interest and a steady rate of doing less housework than women than make already overworked women feel guilty.  Even though he loves to cook, Pollan abdicates all male responsibility for the situation he finds so dire, which is that few Americans eat much home-cooked food, and instead frets about how jobs and gullibility to advertising claims have ruined women that should be in the kitchen right now doing something delightful, even if they’ll never get paid, called a “chef”, or probably even thanked by their families.  Towards the very end, he tacks on a call for men to care, but it’s hard to swallow, after comments like this:

Curiously, the year Julia Child went on the air — 1963 — was the same year Betty Friedan published “The Feminine Mystique,” the book that taught millions of American women to regard housework, cooking included, as drudgery, indeed as a form of oppression. You may think of these two figures as antagonists, but that wouldn’t be quite right. They actually had a great deal in common, as Child’s biographer, Laura Shapiro, points out, and addressed the aspirations of many of the same women. Julia never referred to her viewers as “housewives” — a word she detested — and never condescended to them. She tried to show the sort of women who read “The Feminine Mystique” that, far from oppressing them, the work of cooking approached in the proper spirit offered a kind of fulfillment and deserved an intelligent woman’s attention. (A man’s too.) Second-wave feminists were often ambivalent on the gender politics of cooking. Simone de Beauvoir wrote in “The Second Sex” that though cooking could be oppressive, it could also be a form of “revelation and creation; and a woman can find special satisfaction in a successful cake or a flaky pastry, for not everyone can do it: one must have the gift.” This can be read either as a special Frenchie exemption for the culinary arts (féminisme, c’est bon, but we must not jeopardize those flaky pastries!) or as a bit of wisdom that some American feminists thoughtlessly trampled in their rush to get women out of the kitchen.

It’s got that quality that I’ve come to know and love in those who want to be feminists and make excuses for unfeminist nonsense.  He’s not leaning on “choice”—-as in, if a woman isn’t being marched at gunpoint to a behavior, then it’s automatically “feminist” and shouldn’t be analyzed in any way—-but this is very close.  Simone de Beauvoir was certainly interested in how domestic tedium destroys women’s minds and souls, and so of course she was going to have interesting thoughts on cooking as respite from that.  But the less exotic American second wave feminists like Betty Friedan that he’s picking on here were rejecting a culture where women’s creativity at home was being squashed in new and exciting canned food/perfect house ways.  To boot, there is the more pragmatic arguments about the need for independence and your own income that Pollan’s ignoring completely.  Many women who might enjoy cooking have never gotten around to it, because paying for the food on the table—-and not allowing a man to dominate the finances and therefore deprive you of your freedom—-are more pressing concerns.

And, as Kate Harding points out, some women just are never going to like cooking.  Though I do agree with Pollan that a lot of people who don’t like cooking—-and more men don’t like it than women, don’t forget!—-think that it’s harder than it is, and have also been brought up in the unimaginative American kitchen.  For instance, our “cooking” in home ec in high school centered around Jello molds and cans of spaghetti sauce, and becoming an adult who makes her own spaghetti sauce was a revelation for me that caused me to spend more time in the kitchen.


And needless to say, putting forward Childs and her French cooking as a cure for America’s rapidly expanding waistline strikes me as more than a little off.  I don’t generally drink butter to lose weight, you know?  Seriously, he says, “When we let corporations do the cooking, they’re bound to go heavy on sugar, fat and salt”—-interestingly, this is what you get when you let the French do the cooking.  I think there’s a causation issue he’s missing in this paragraph:

Cutler and his colleagues also surveyed cooking patterns across several cultures and found that obesity rates are inversely correlated with the amount of time spent on food preparation. The more time a nation devotes to food preparation at home, the lower its rate of obesity. In fact, the amount of time spent cooking predicts obesity rates more reliably than female participation in the labor force or income. Other research supports the idea that cooking is a better predictor of a healthful diet than social class: a 1992 study in The Journal of the American Dietetic Association found that poor women who routinely cooked were more likely to eat a more healthful diet than well-to-do women who did not.

(See?  I told you that the “get in the kitchen, ladies” guilt trip is strong with this one.)  It seems to me the thing that would make it easier to cook more—-time—-also makes it easier to move around more. The lifestyle that’s conducive to cooking is also one where you have more energy in general, and move around more, which decrease the appetite for comfort food and increases the number of calories burned.  But Americans generally get up early, sit on their ass all day, and get home with enough stress on their brow that all they want to do is eat a burger and watch TV.

Not that Pollan ignores this concern, to be perfectly fair. 

If cooking really offers all these satisfactions, then why don’t we do more of it? Well, ask Julie Powell: for most of us it doesn’t pay the rent, and very often our work doesn’t leave us the time; during the year of Julia, dinner at the Powell apartment seldom arrived at the table before 10 p.m. For many years now, Americans have been putting in longer hours at work and enjoying less time at home. Since 1967, we’ve added 167 hours — the equivalent of a month’s full-time labor — to the total amount of time we spend at work each year, and in households where both parents work, the figure is more like 400 hours. Americans today spend more time working than people in any other industrialized nation — an extra two weeks or more a year. Not surprisingly, in those countries where people still take cooking seriously, they also have more time to devote to it.

And that doesn’t take the daily commute into the equation.  I blame the daily commute more than any other factor for why Americans will watch cooking shows, but won’t actually get up and cook very much.  Americans spend an hour and a half a day driving.  They drive 16 miles on average to and from work.  Those are miles driven, for most commuters, in thick, snarled, energy-draining traffic.  The last thing Americans want to do when they get home, after that, is cook.  Most of them think of cooking as something you do starting with a recipe, which inevitably means that you don’t have all the ingredients, and that means adding more driving time going to the grocery store even more, and who wants that?  Pollan wants to put about 90% of the blame on the nationwide embrace of food in freezers and cans and boxes or out of drive-thrus—-which is why he’s interested in the fact that even housewives eat about the same as everyone else—-but I’m not so sure.  I think a culture of processed food took advantage of people’s limited mental space for cooking, and became the norm. 

I think housewives appreciate processed food, because no one thanks women for cooking, but they are usually quick to complain.  Frozen pizza has three advantages: You have more time to do other things, you don’t have to spend family time cleaning up while everyone else is in the living room watching the best prime time shows, and no one will complain.  American culture in general tends to mediocrity, so why should food be any different?  Our corporate radio stations, TV networks, movie theaters, even landscaping choices start to form around the principle of not being offensive, and that tendency has developed our palates, as well.  I like to cook, but the easiest audience to cook for is one, because I’ll always say thank you, and if it sucks, I’ve only offended myself in my processing of learning. 

If Pollan really wants people to cook more, he needs to preach more feminism, not bash feminism.  Make women’s work important, not wallpaper.  Get more men into the kitchen, and that will raise the esteem of cooking.  Pollan’s hyper-focus on women as the primary source of food just contributes to the problem.  If only women do it, no one appreciates it, and nobody is very understanding of imperfections or a learning curve.  That’s why I think his criticism of competitive cooking shows is so misplaced.  I think that they have the chance to encourage people to think of cooking as something you experiment with, and more importantly, by putting men in the kitchen in front of America, we’re giving our sexist brains an opportunity to think of cooking as something that is real (read: male performed) work, and worthy of being treated as such. 

No, if you’ll pardon me, I have some eggplant to peel, cube, and salt, so that it can be even sweeter when I toss it in my tomato cream sauce that I’m making for dinner.  Because one thing Pollan’s got right—-the more you learn about cooking, the more fun it actually becomes.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 04:51 PM • (108) Comments

I’ll add that I can put eggplant in a tomato sauce because I don’t have whining children who’ll complain about it.  But putting that responsibility to cook vegetable-centered healthy foods on women with children is another game entirely.  Obviously, they should, but the women who have the more success that I know a) share cooking duties with a man and b) started the kids on healthy food young and didn’t let them touch junk, period, creating an entirely different palate in those children.

Comment #1: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  06:24 PM

Argh…I really liked his work. Do you think corporations drove a dumptruck full of corn money up to his house in the middle of the night? And now he’s all, “just kidding, it was teh femnists after all!”

Comment #2: Floyd  on  08/01  at  06:24 PM

Excellent post Amanda. It bothers me to hell and back when liberal values are put in conflict with each other when they could just as well work in synergy.

Comment #3: Left_Wing_Fox  on  08/01  at  06:31 PM

No, did I say that?  Good lord, strawman.  I said that it’s very good for you to put some swipes at feminism in your piece if you want to publish in the NY Times, and Pollan did just that.  I’m surprised that even a star like him is expected to do that.  In painting the “downfall” of cooking as women’s fault—-because they’re too lazy to cook, apparently—-he made a huge mistake.  Particularly with his swipe at Friedan.  By the time Friedan rolled around, the primary cuisine of the suburban housewife culture she describes is Jello molds.  Childs was pushing against that, but there wasn’t much you could do as a supply end housewife when the demand end husbands/children/PTA meetings wanted Jello molds.  Which are tedious.

Comment #4: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  06:33 PM

I don’t think I could possibly agree more with this. (It’s one of those posts where you start thinking about it at the 2nd paragraph, then you get down to the 6th and it’s saying those things you were thinking)

I think there’s a sort of traditional authoritarianism at play here for women in terms of cooking, where women are cooking to please the men, not to please themselves, so the creative impulse gets squashed in favor of the same, the predictable…the controlled.

I actually do most of the cooking (creative and not) in our house, my wife has other outlets for her creative energy, and often by that time she’d rather let me handle it. Which is fine. The same old food is boring. She lets me go wild and do whatever I want, and never complains (critique yes, but doesn’t put me down for it)

It’s that freedom that women are missing traditionally IMO.

Comment #5: Karmakin  on  08/01  at  06:34 PM

Ah, and right after I post that…

Cooking can really help quash the picky kid syndrome as well. My brother and I had (relatively) wider tastes in vegetables than most kids our age, thanks in large part to parents knowing how to cook fresh veggies instead of reheating canned ones. One of our favorites was “Burgers Florentine” hamburgers stuffed with cottage cheese and spinach, braised in tomato sauce.

Comment #6: Left_Wing_Fox  on  08/01  at  06:34 PM

All I have to do is think “Media in the US is explicitly concieved as a propaganda utility by our oh-so-elite masters.”

Then I edit as I need to.

Come to think of it, very few people actually know anything at all about what really went on in those oh-so-long-ago movements.  I can buy Pollan legitimately not knowing enough to put things in context.  Not hugely surprised at the language—he’s pretty Villager, if not such a nasty one.

Comment #7: shah8  on  08/01  at  06:36 PM

Oh my goodness.  Corporate canned vegetables were a pretty major reason I hated vegetables.  String beans were the worst.

Comment #8: shah8  on  08/01  at  06:38 PM

Ahhh, competitive cooking, just what guys need for a little creativity and effort.  For two years in grad school I lived with 4 other grad students and we each cooked 1 dinner a week [on you own Fri & Sat] and woe upon he who didn’t come up with something clever and tasty on the kinds of food that you could buy with a TA/RA stipend.

Comment #9: natural cynic  on  08/01  at  06:39 PM

Obviously, they should, but the women who have the more success that I know a) share cooking duties with a man

Or at very least have a husband who’s willing to back them up when the picky kids start to complain.  My dad didn’t share in the cooking for the most part, but he was usually the first to tell us brats not to complain about the food in front of the chef.

Comment #10: laterose  on  08/01  at  06:42 PM

Yeah, I read this article yesterday, and was really up and down on it.  Yay Julia and good food, boo making it about teh womenz and what they are doing wrong.  And then he’d toss in little parenthetical about men, and I wasn’t sure if he meant it and was trying to sneak it into the NYTimes, or if he was playing like he understands something vague about being PC, so when people like Amanda complain he can say, “nuh-uh, I said men too, see, it’s right there!”

Comment #11: rowmyboat  on  08/01  at  06:46 PM

I lived with 4 other grad students and we each cooked 1 dinner a week [on you own Fri & Sat] and woe upon he who didn’t come up with something clever and tasty on the kinds of food that you could buy with a TA/RA stipend.

Ha, except for it being undergrad and one of the people living a couple doors down by himself yet eating with us, I did the exact same, down to number of people and which days we had to fend for ourselves.  Worked out really well, actually.

Comment #12: rowmyboat  on  08/01  at  06:49 PM

Another thing that keeps men out of the kitchen is the portrayal of men in the kitchen on TV.  What happens in a sitcom when dad [and the kids] try to do anything in the kitchen?  Disaster.  Then it’s mom to the rescue.  It’s only at the BBQ that men show any competence [and then it’s often overconfidence].

Comment #13: natural cynic  on  08/01  at  06:49 PM

Wow, Michael Pollen turns out to be a douche? No one could have predicted! Except, that is, anyone who was familiar both with his work and with the actual state of agricultural science.

Comment #14: Chet  on  08/01  at  06:57 PM

The whole article based on a straw man fallacy. I don’t know any feminists who object to cooking as a hobby.

Comment #15: Lindsay Beyerstein  on  08/01  at  07:04 PM

If Sarah Palin were a better cook, would she be getting a divorce right now?  Probably, yes.

Comment #16: HP Stevens  on  08/01  at  07:06 PM

he’s doing the “best feminists are the ones who get thee to the kitchen and pretend that it’s liberation” schtick.

I don’t think that’s quite fair.  But after reading the whole piece, I was surprised that there’s really only one throwaway line about everyday men (i.e., not celebrity chefs) cooking.  It seems like he ought to be presenting that the best way to get more people cooking and have it take less time is, unsurprisingly, to have at least two people work together at it, and in the case of straight couples who live together, that means that the man does it too.  The kitchen can be an oppressive space for women, but it’s clearly more so when one partner does all the work and the other does all the judging.

It’s an odd omission to say that women working outside the home contributed to the “collapse of home cooking” without also saying that you can resurrect home cooking—to a degree, at least; I have no plans to cook a roast or cut up a whole chicken—by sharing its responsibilities.

My in-laws have a baffling blind spot, where they have witnessed with their own eyes my working together with my wife to make a meal for them, and yet if they call in the evening, they invariably ask my wife if she has to go to fix dinner for me.  Empirically speaking, they have to KNOW it doesn’t work that way in our house.  But they just can’t comprehend any alternative.  Maybe Pollan is falling into that trap too, just for a moment failing to note that home cooking involves men too, or _can_, or _should_.

Comment #17: FlipYrWhig  on  08/01  at  07:16 PM

I enjoyed reading Pollan’s article this morning, because with every sentence I was imagining Amanda’s response.  Glad to have it from the horse’s mouth!

(The tidbits from the marketing executive were interesting, too.)

Comment #18: BABH  on  08/01  at  07:16 PM

That took me so long to write that a bunch of other people had made the same point already.  Oh well.  I’ll consider it artisanal home-cooked punditry and revel in the time spent.

Comment #19: FlipYrWhig  on  08/01  at  07:19 PM

Of course, it’s just like a fucking d00d who has had women cleaning up after him his entire life to conflate cooking with housework. Cooking is to housework as playing a round of golf is to mowing and weeding the fucking course.

Comment #20: PhysioProf  on  08/01  at  07:22 PM

The man wrote a book on how you can eat meat to improve the world. And you expected doctrinal purity?

Anyway, I recommend the delicious pizza in my freezer. It’s peppers, artichokes, onions, mushrooms, and tomatoes. It’s sold under the brands Amy’s and Trader Joe’s, maybe others.

Comment #21: asdf  on  08/01  at  07:35 PM

Please correct your spelling, Amanda. It’s Julia CHILD, not Childs.

Comment #22: Michael  on  08/01  at  07:38 PM

Also, your attempt to conflate French cooking with obesity is full of fail. When I travel to France for research, I eat like a horse—and usually lose 10 pounds, because I walk a lot more than I do when I’m home. Moreover, Julia Child herself made the point, on many of her cooking shows, that no one in her right mind—the French included—eats tournedos of beef drowning in sauce béarnaise at every meal. Most of French cooking is homey—good vegetable soups, salads, a bit of meat, some fish. If you eat in moderation, and don’t pig out on haute cuisine all the time, you can indulge now and again in the rich stuff.

Comment #23: Michael  on  08/01  at  07:42 PM

One of the things I’ve noticed the most since I got much more involved in cooking (which went hand in hand with the wine stuff) was just how easy it was to put together flavorful, healthy meals without too much effort. I know it’s a form of bragging, but when I put my dinners on my Facebook page, people think that I’m some kind of gourmand—but it’s easy enough to caramelize some onions and leeks and make a really yummy sauce for some fish—and the whole thing maybe takes a half hour to put together.

Crack open a decent bottle of wine and you’ve got a well-spent evening.

Anyone can be a good cook—and a little practice at figuring out how flavors fit together goes a LONG way. Once you’ve got it down, you can amaze your friends. smile

Comment #24: thenakedvine  on  08/01  at  08:02 PM

Good grief, as a guy I can’t say I hate the kitchen. My dad did everything from running a hotel restaurant to owning a small cafe where he was the short-order cook. My mom did not even like cooking until he taught her how.

Comment #25: mndean  on  08/01  at  08:04 PM

I never said Michael Pollan was a jerk.  He’s mostly right about most things.  He just crossed a line in this, making it about how people—-really, women’s—-laziness and sense of entitlement to have free time is the cause, when he’s usually better at looking at the situation globally.

I’m happy for you that you lost weight, Michael.  I actually didn’t walk more in France.  I don’t have the typical sedentary American lifestyle.  If anything, I walked more.  But I put on weight, because there’s so much rich food.  Obviously, the key is moderation.  Where did I say it wasn’t?  But c’mon, an occasional hamburger and an exercise-intensive life is important, too.

We may have to accept the French are skinnier because they just eat less and move more.

Comment #26: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  08:10 PM

The man wrote a book on how you can eat meat to improve the world. And you expected doctrinal purity?

You haven’t actually read his books have you? Also, to what doctrine are you referring?

Comment #27: pablo  on  08/01  at  08:18 PM

Maybe I’m dense, but I’m not really seeing the extreme douchiness here.

It’s not controversial that 1.) women in the first half of this century spent a lot of time in the kitchen because they were expected to; 2.) most of them don’t anymore, partially because expectations have changed and partially (mostly) because most of them work outside the home, and 3.) both of those reasons are the result of the feminist movement.

So I think you can blame feminism for the decline in home cooking the same way you can blame chemotherapy for making someone’s hair fall out—an unfortunate side effect of a good thing.  Yes, men should have picked up their end, but I don’t think Pollan would disagree with that.  And I think it is way more common for men to share in the cooking duties than it ever has been, though still not as common as it should be (especially out here in the sticks where I am).

I admit that I’m giving Pollan the benefit of the doubt here.  I have a hard time thinking that if you and Pollan sat down and had a discussion about this you’d find all that much to disagree about.

Comment #28: The J Train  on  08/01  at  08:23 PM

I’m glad I don’t cook for children.  I have to think that adds to the reasons why fewer people start from scratch or quasi-scratch:  if you have a conventional nuclear family, and both parents work outside the home, and the kids have homework and all those other time-sucks like music lessons and soccer practice, when can you _start_ cooking something interesting and in a large enough quantity so that it’s finished at the right time?  It has to be a _very_ narrow window of opportunity.  To the parents out there:  how do you manage it?

Comment #29: FlipYrWhig  on  08/01  at  08:24 PM

I’ll add that I can put eggplant in a tomato sauce because I don’t have whining children who’ll complain about it.

I wish it made that much difference.  Most of the adults I know would complain just as much about such a dish.  I get an awful lot of turned-up noses when I talk about growing eggplant in my garden.*

It used to be that kids and adults had different tastes, but it’s just not that common anymore to age out of the taste for dull and unchallenging food.

* Not that I have any this year.  Damn beetles.

Comment #30: The J Train  on  08/01  at  08:31 PM

This lady HATES cooking. I’m a creative person (my degree is in Creative Writing), but I cannot seem to apply it to cooking. To me, it’s the most boring and time-consuming activity possible. And at the end I have a pile of dishes and a meal that’s gone in 20 minutes. The meal may be generally tasty, but it’s never going to be really good unless I drop all the things I actually like doing and devote myself to cooking. I would much rather scrub the soap scum off the shower tiles than cook. I’m all about the organic frozen/canned foods. Thank goodness my boyfriend can actually make a dish or two, or I would really only eat things out of boxes (which is what I did when I lived alone, except for when I ate out).

It’s actually one of the things I am most grateful to feminism/industrialization for, the fact that I don’t have to learn to cook to be socially acceptable or well-nourished.

Comment #31: Lauren O  on  08/01  at  08:33 PM

“My dad didn’t share in the cooking for the most part, but he was usually the first to tell us brats not to complain about the food”

Was your dad from the depression era?
My parent were and I got that a lot

Comment #32: jefft452  on  08/01  at  08:38 PM

J Train, I don’t think that the complaint with the article (which I read yesterday and also had mixed feelings about) is that Pollan points out that feminism had something to do with women spending less time in the kitchen. It’s that, 1: he neglects to put much emphasis on the many reasons that this was important and a flight from oppression rather than the fairy-tale of happy food preparation that he describes, whilst simultaneously suggesting that women need to get their butts back into the kitchen and defeat (there’s an appeal to men, yeah) the processed food menace, and 2: From-scratch cooking had long since been seriously encroached upon by the processed food industry by the time Betty Friedan wrote The Feminine Mystique. Which is to say that, by his definition, many people were already not cooking, and so laying any responsibility at the feet of feminism is historically incorrect and irresponsible.

I think Amanda is right: blame our crazy fucking lifestyle, where the Middle-Class American Dream is to live in a house well outside the scary, dangerous city and spend our entire lives driving too and from work. And of course, poor people who still lived in the city already didn’t have enough time to cook. One part that blew my mind was the part where he mentioned that, though we associate class access to healthy food (correctly to a great extent), that poor women who cook are generally healthier than middle-class women who don’t. Which is certainly true, but as I’ve had pointed out to me before: who in the working class, let alone the under class, has the time or energy to cook!? People do it, and because I’m cheap I would much rather spend less and spend more time cooking my own food - which I do - but honestly, it’s tough. The decline in cooking is a time problem, not a desire problem.

Comment #33: grolby  on  08/01  at  08:50 PM

Please correct your spelling, Amanda. It’s Julia CHILD, not Childs.

It seems the “Julia Childs” error is suddenly turning up all over the place.  I don’t get it.

Comment #34: killjoy  on  08/01  at  08:51 PM

Was your dad from the depression era?
My parent were and I got that a lot

No, but my grandparents were so that may have developed into an inter-generational meme.  Although my parents didn’t expect us to eat things we didn’t like if we didn’t want to; we just weren’t allowed to complain about the food or expect them to make us something special.

Comment #35: laterose  on  08/01  at  09:28 PM

J, again, I never, ever said Pollan is a douche.  That’s Chet, and he’s got another agenda. 

But Pollan’s just wrong that it was feminism.  He gets around to saying as much, too, admitting that it probably has something to do with overwork and focusing on the advertising of processed food.  He prefers that because it means to fix it we just have to be better people—-easier to avoid collective solutions, I suppose, which is a shame. 

So the potshots at women for being lazy and for feminism were unnecessary, and probably not an accident, considering the NY Times editorial bent.

Comment #36: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  09:29 PM

To the parents out there:  how do you manage it?

Cooking three meals a day for a family is drudgery, just like doing laundry or washing dishes. Period. And I say that as somebody who loves to cook. Unless you are of the school of “I made whatever there was out of what was at the store and that’s all you get,” you’re catering to people with different nutritional needs and abilities (e.g. lactose intolerance), let alone taste preferences. And of course there’s quantity. 

And of course meal preparation doesn’t stop at cooking. There’s inventory (“dear, we’re out of milk again”), shopping, and of course the mental management of what you’ve got, where it is and what’s on sale when so you know when to make a lot of hamburger vs. when the meal du jour is fried rice.

I do actually love cooking and I am, depressingly, one of those people who can make a delicious meal for five out of the stuff stuck to the back of your freezer. But being able to whip up a surprise entree for myself and someone I’m trying to get into bed, a la single, is very very different than the effort of keeping a family fed. Assholes like Pollan who can’t tell the difference make me stabby.

Comment #37: mythago  on  08/01  at  09:33 PM

Pollan thinks there’s a gap between people watching cooking shows today and people actually cooking.  I’m confused by that, since I started cooking more and better food when I got the Food Network.  Maybe it’s just me being a visual learner, but having someone show proper techniques made it a lot easier to get over the complete lack of desire to cook.  I don’t find it fun, and I’d definitely rather not be on my feet for long, but I’m not poleaxed by it anymore.

I don’t think I’m the only one inspired to start cooking after watching Good Eats.

Comment #38: Godless Heathen  on  08/01  at  09:33 PM

Pollan thinks there’s a gap between people watching cooking shows today and people actually cooking.

It’s like saying “People aren’t fucking anymore, as we know from the fact that the Internet is full of porn, and it’s the fault of feminism for telling women they don’t have to put out if they don’t want to.”

Comment #39: mythago  on  08/01  at  09:39 PM

My mother went back to college when I was seven (in the late ‘50s), at which point my father took over most of the cooking duties.  He was a good cook (Mom was a better baker) and was often the head cook for the big community fish fries and such, but I learned from watching both of them in the kitchen.

Thankfully, being single, I can fix what I like.

And there are ways of taking the canned veggies and doctoring them.  I like country style green beans and I can take canned or frozen either one and with a slice of bacon and some onion, make either taste like they’ve been slow cooking on the stove all afternoon.

So I’m a proud cook with no pretensions of being a ‘chef’.

Comment #40: dakine100  on  08/01  at  09:53 PM

2 beefs I have with Pollan:

Freezers and fridges are a godsend. Spoiled food, such as milk and meat, were killers before the invention of refrigeration.

Pretty much everything Amanda said, with the anecdote that I despise cooking because I find it stressful and boring and just one more pressure than I can handle. Also I hate handling meat, even if it’s happy chickens from a paradisical organic farm where they lived a life of luxury. I will eat small amounts of it, but don’t want to deal with cold dead flesh.

I do love good food and appreciate it when it’s done well, though; frozen hamburgers and Boy-R-Dee aren’t my idea of good eatin’. I just don’t want to cook, ever, so left to my own devices I tend to live on rice and veggies and go out for any meat I want. It’s cheaper than most packaged food and isn’t salted to hell and back.

Comment #41: emjaybee  on  08/01  at  09:55 PM

I didn’t mean to attribute “douche” to you.  Sorry it came out that way.  And I do get what you’re saying.

Comment #42: The J Train  on  08/01  at  10:05 PM

Why doesn’t he think the solution to this problem is having food cooked for you commercially in a healthful and reasonably inexpensive manner?  Fast food doesn’t have to be crap. 

And what if we were to extend a shared cooking environment such as natural cynic and rowmyboat described?  Each household wouldn’t have to cook all its food all the time.  Imagine neighborhoods where people went to get food from a shared kitchen every day, eating at a communal area or carrying it back to their own homes, pitching in with the cooking or cleaning twice a week or so.

Comment #43: oldfeminist  on  08/01  at  10:17 PM

“Although my parents didn’t expect us to eat things we didn’t like if we didn’t want to; we just weren’t allowed to complain about the food or expect them to make us something special”

yep, same here

Comment #44: jefft452  on  08/01  at  10:19 PM

I knew something was fishy when he kept repeating “Culture is a fancy word for mom” in In Defense of Food.

Comment #45: Tanglethis  on  08/01  at  10:21 PM

Why doesn’t he think the solution to this problem is having food cooked for you commercially in a healthful and reasonably inexpensive manner?

The question here would be how to do it inexpensively; if I remember correctly, the article says that 80% of the cost of food goes to to the processing, packaging, etc., rather than to the farmers.  Is it possible to have food that doesn’t need much preparing by the people eating it, but also doesn’t become more costly through getting it to that state?

Oldfeminist, you might want to check out the novel Looking backward, by Edward Bellamy.  It describes, among other things, a utopian possibility of centralized meal preparation.

Comment #46: rowmyboat  on  08/01  at  10:31 PM

Much of the expense of restaurant food is the cost of the labor (which, of course, is why a buffet is cheaper than a restaurant with service).

Communal kitchens are a cool idea, except that it would really mean instead of cooking dinner every night, Mom has to set a whole freaking day aside to cook for the neighborhood. I’m sure Pollan would find that very exciting, as long as everybody was using heirloom tomatoes in the sauce.

Comment #47: mythago  on  08/01  at  10:39 PM

My husband started cooking a few years ago and found that he really had a talent for it.  Truth is, no one really taught him how to cook so it was someone else’s job.  Sure, he can bbq: doesn’t every father pass on that secret?

Some ideas (pardon my presumption)
1.  Trade off cooking duties or, even better, cook together.  One person can do prep while the other cooks or decide who is doing each dish and when so you don’t step on each other.
2.  For God’s sake, teach both boys and girls to cook.  My male cousins weren’t taught how to cook either while I was taught how to cook from the moment I could hold a spoon.  Now, they had to learn how to cook and find they’re surprised how much they enjoy it.
3.  Break down the “women run the stove, men run the barbecue” tradition, especially when around the kids.

Comment #48: Mrs. W  on  08/01  at  10:44 PM

So now Michael Pollan has moved from telling me how to do my job to telling me to get back into the kitchen. What a swell guy.

Comment #49: Entomologista  on  08/01  at  10:54 PM

“My dad didn’t share in the cooking for the most part, but he was usually the first to tell us brats not to complain about the food”

Was your dad from the depression era?
My parent were and I got that a lot

This was also common among working-class/lower middle class and first generation immigrant families IME. 

Anytime the kids started complaining they don’t like to eat a particular item, all the parents/older relatives in my family needed to do was to recount how living life in wartorn China/Taiwan of the 1930’s and 40’s with its endemic poverty was such that one was damned lucky to have anything to eat.  Was quite effective in guilting most of us into learning how to eat stuff we didn’t like at first….at least until most of us became adolescents.  My neighbors had similar experiences from parents who emigrated from [name your poverty stricken country] and/or had parents who told their children that not everyone was fortunate enough to even have one meal per day.  Moreover, we were not only raised to not complain about poor cooking/stuff we didn’t like with our parents, but also to suck it up and pretend we liked what we ate at the homes of others so we don’t risk hurting the feelings of our hosts. 

The first time I actually encountered teens and young adults being openly and unashamedly picky about food was when I started attending my undergrad where most of the student body came from upper/upper-middle class homes.  Some of that display of pickiness was crass as the case of several classmates at a dinner who made “this sucks” type complaints about the food to the host, the dean emeritus of my undergrad and openly exhibiting their disgust. rolleyes

As a result, I’ve always viewed open displays of pickiness about food as an exhibition of a high degree of socio-economic privilege and entitlement.

Comment #50: exholt  on  08/01  at  10:57 PM

I noticed in his critique of Food Network as “rock music and clashing knives” and stating that there is nothing resembling Julia Child on Food Network today - what network is he watching?

Sounds like all he is watching is Iron Chef and Hell’s Kitchen, with possibly a few of the other macho shows as well, but in my experience the bulk of the show are in exactly the format Julia created - a cook talking directly to the viewer while showing how to prepare food. The network is swimming in them.

Comment #51: Lymis  on  08/01  at  11:12 PM

Communal kitchens are a cool idea, except that it would really mean instead of cooking dinner every night, Mom has to set a whole freaking day aside to cook for the neighborhood. I’m sure Pollan would find that very exciting, as long as everybody was using heirloom tomatoes in the sauce.

They also require a high degree of tight effective management and accountability from everyone to minimize people shirking their assigned duties and waste of food and cooking materials. 

In the case of Mainland China during the Great Leap Forward of the late 1950’s, communal kitchens ended up wasting a lot of food due to inefficient overly politicized management which played a part in the mass starvations which happened later….one definitive case on how NOT to run communal kitchens.

In contrast, the student-run co-ops at my undergrad have shown themselves to be some of the most effective examples of communal kitchens….though a large part of that was the fact there was tight effective management from committed students, students were genuinely committed to working for their co-ops which minimized shirking of assigned duties, and the fact that most college students were single and well-off financially and thus…had much more free time and no families/kids to deal with.

Comment #52: exholt  on  08/01  at  11:14 PM

To the parents out there:  how do you manage it?

Speaking for myself…I love to cook, my wife enjoys cooking a few things, but generally doesn’t like it much.  So I do all the cooking.  I plan out the weekly dinner schedule before shopping every weekend.  From May to November, our town has a Sat morning farmers market so we can go there as a family and I can pick out things so I can design at least some of the menu around that.  Anyway, I plan all the dinners (often consulting with my wife and our kids), and get the ingredients at the supermarket.  Then I post the list on the fridge to remind me; our daughter has started to like being able to see what’s coming up (sometimes she gets excited, sometimes she get a little head start on complaining…).

The trickiest part of the planning is that some meals require a good deal of cooking time done ahead.  If I want to cook a chicken, I really have to do that on the weekend because there’s no time during the week (unless there’s a holiday or something).  I’m going to cook a Barbara Kafka vegetarian feijoada that’ll take 3 hours of cooking time for the beans alone—so that has to happen tomorrow afternoon.  Other dishes (like pasta sauces, Marcella Hazan is a genius) can be cooked after coming home from work, but it’s more efficient to cook them, say, Tues night for Wed or Th.

Tonight relatives came over, and I made homemade pizza (dough from scratch).  It’s fun, and really not complicated.  Really.  Don’t be afraid!

As far as kids’ tastes are concerned…I never thought as much about the social nature of food and food preferences as I did when my kids started to go to preschool.  Obviously, kids all over the world learn to prefer whatever it is they see their parents and peers eating.  And I see what a powerful dynamic it is with our own kids.  In January we had to alter our son’s diet because of some digestive issues (temporary, but not exactly short-term) and although he’s happy to eat the food, it wasn’t fun to be the odd kid out all the time (we’re not being strict about a lot of the rules, one of which is supposed to be “no white flour, ever”—i.e., if a kid in his class has a birthday, he can’t eat whatever they bring in to share with the class).  Food is a way for people to relate to each other—it’s not just fuel for the body.  I think it’s wiser to take the social factor into account when making decisions about kids’ diets.

Parents can create whatever diet or food choices they want in the home, but the kids will encounter another world of food outside the home, and you have to take into account the balance between the food itself and the social relationships that go along with it.  It’s complicated.  There’s no one right or wrong way to deal with it.  Every household has to figure it out as they go along.

Lauren O

This lady HATES cooking. I’m a creative person (my degree is in Creative Writing), but I cannot seem to apply it to cooking. To me, it’s the most boring and time-consuming activity possible. And at the end I have a pile of dishes and a meal that’s gone in 20 minutes.

I won’t tell anyone to like something just because I do.  For instance, other than being in a pit, I don’t like dancing.  At all.  But I will speak to why I actually like the “it’s gone in 20 minutes” dynamic.  I like the fact that cooking isn’t supposed to be permanent—in fact, it can’t be.  If I write or paint or build something, it lasts forever, or could.  Too much to pour into something.  Cooking is short-lived—but rather than just reading or seeing or listening to what I create, the people who enjoy my cooking actually put it into their bodies.  It becomes part of them!  It’s kind of an amazing privilege to be able to invest my creativity in something that people are willing (even happy!) to literally consume.  And, of course, I can share it with them as they enjoy it (unlike, say, a performance).  I have no idea why the permanence of other creativity seems more overburdened to me than my food being consumed, but there it is.

Comment #53: Pesto  on  08/01  at  11:16 PM

“Why don’t more women <strike>watch porn</strike> cook?”

Is this Why Don’t Them Lazy/Repressed/Dumb/Bad Women Do What We Say They Should Do week? I find cooking about as fulfilling as watching grout dry. Oddly our culture doesn’t continually suggest that I do much of the latter.

Comment #54: mir  on  08/01  at  11:24 PM

Lymis, what Pollan says, I think, is that the Food Network has “how to cook” stuff during the day and high-end, professional cooking stuff (and all the “watch the host eat” stuff) at night, when most of their viewership is watching.

Comment #55: Pesto  on  08/01  at  11:28 PM

I didn’t mean to attribute “douche” to you.  Sorry it came out that way.  And I do get what you’re saying.

No worries.  I was worried I was coming down too hard.  I think Kate Harding was a little unfair, like she’s dumping a lot of pent-up frustration at people who make her feel guilty about not eating fresh food from farmers’ markets or something. But she’s absolutely right that he was wrong to make it Julia Child vs. the bad feminists.

Comment #56: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/01  at  11:32 PM

I don’t think I’m the only one inspired to start cooking after watching Good Eats.

Hear, hear!

AB did a great show on knife technique. Loved it!

Comment #57: teac  on  08/02  at  12:06 AM

Amanda,

My wife linked me to Pollan’s article last night. I read it this morning while waiting for my coffee fix to start working.

So many things set off alarm bells as I read it but I was still in a.m. fog that about the only thing I could really process was his repeated slams of Guy Fieri or wev his last name is. Pollan hit on exactly what it is about Guy that bugs me - the stuffing of the largest possible portion of food into his mouth and then fist-pumping chest-thumping how great it is - while still chewing the food.

Anyway, the git-yer-fanny-back-in-the-kitchen schtick was too much. I was saddened that he wrote it as he did. Great explication.

~t

Comment #58: teac  on  08/02  at  12:16 AM

<quote>when can you _start_ cooking something interesting and in a large enough quantity so that it’s finished at the right time? </quote>

Gawd, horrible childhood flashback time.  My mom had to cook for 5 kids on varying schedules while her husband/Pops was off flying planes in Vietnam/wherever and one of the very few times she ever lost it completely—veins bulging, fear-of-God angry—was when one night, we kids complained about the onions in something and why were the vegetables so buttery and god I hate brussel sprouts anyway etc. and WOAH.  We never ever did *that* again.

My mom hated cooking, was a classic post-war wife who got assigned that drudgery against her will, and as a teenager, I tried to help out a bit, but it was too late.  I have an exhausting job and the last thing I want to do when I straggle through the door of my apartment at 6:00 pm is spend time preparing food and cooking it.  It’s all Marie Callendar meatloaf this, pasta-in-a-bag that.  Not great for my health, but for my sanity, it’s golden.

Comment #59: Henry Holland  on  08/02  at  12:38 AM

This piece was just as terrible as Amanda et al. said, but I was heartened by Pollan’s conclusion:
I asked him [Balzer, the grocery guru] how, in an ideal world, Americans might begin to undo the damage that the modern diet of industrially prepared food has done to our health.

“Easy. You want Americans to eat less? I have the diet for you. It’s short, and it’s simple. Here’s my diet plan: Cook it yourself. That’s it. Eat anything you want — just as long as you’re willing to cook it yourself.”

Ya think?  That’d be yourSELF, not your oh-so-remiss wife or your mommy?  Sounds like a plan.

Comment #60: Unree  on  08/02  at  01:38 AM

To the parents out there:  how do you manage it?

I’m not old enough to be a parent yet, but I have watched from the other side as my parents cooked for us, and I think there were several factors that helped them succeed:

First, they didn’t have to cook 3 meals a day. In the morning, we woke up and left the house at such disparate times (ranging from 4-5 AM for my mother to 7-8 for my younger brothers and father), that it would have been ludicrous to consider anything other than a bowl of cereal and slice of toast for breakfast. Even a six-year old can do *that*, and given that my mother had to go to work before anyone else woke and my father usually woke after all of us were gone, we usually had to. Only on the weekends could a fancy breakfast even be considered. At lunch, we usually ate at school, meaning school meals. If we wanted, we could fix ourselves something and take it, but our parents sure weren’t going to do it for us. Usually, then, we bought our food. School meals are…not the best food ever, but they’re cheap, filling, and reasonably tasty (at least to me), so I never really had any problem with it. Lunch being lunch, we didn’t bother with fixing anything complicated there on weekends, either: a strictly DIY affair. Finally, at dinner, the second major factor that let them do it came into play: my father was a stay-at-home dad since I was 8 or 9, and was generally responsible for the cooking. Thus, almost any kind of food preparation regime was fair play. He had as long as he needed to cook anything. Not that he necessarily did, of course, but he could. Time was not a problem.

The third major factor was that we are distinctly upper-middle, if not lower-upper class, and thus had no shortage of money to spend on food. Not only was time no object, neither was cost, in any meaningful sense.

A more minor factor is that we tend to have the same meals over and over and over. *Very* boring sometimes, but it sure makes it easier to cook, and to please childish palates.

started the kids on healthy food young and didn’t let them touch junk, period, creating an entirely different palate in those children.
Yes, exactly. This is why I LOVED broccoli, and cauliflower, and spinach, and all those other vegetables kids are “supposed” to hate. We had them early, and often, so it was easy to develop a taste for them.

Comment #61: truth is life  on  08/02  at  01:51 AM

I like baking, and I don’t mind cooking, but I really hate the day-to-day, what are we having for dinner drudgery.  Fortunately, the spouse is a decent cook and gets home a few hours before I do, so usually he takes care of figuring out dinner.  Actually, I rather like the physical aspects of cooking; I loathe the daily “what’s for supper” mental work of it.  (And Mr. A. hates being tied down to a weekly menu.  *Sigh*)

It blows my mind that Pollan is so ready to blame women (and dudes!  In parentheses!) for the dearth of home-cooked meals, when the real culprit is our insane work hours.  Who really wants to come home at 6, figure out supper, cook it, and then slog the kids all over creation to lessons and practices?  Who has time to do that?  Or even if a person is single and/or childless, who wants to come home after a 9-hour day, plus commute, and think and prepare something to eat when you’re hungry and tired and just want to zone out?  (And don’t get me started on the lack of cheap, small food packages and recipes for someone attempting to cook for less than four people.  No, I don’t need a pound of carrots, or whatever.)

I know, I know, I know that there are ways around it.  Mega-cooking on weekends, or making lots and then freezing, etc.  But honestly, who really wants to spend all their time on the weekend cooking, much less when most families have other things that need to get done—shopping, yard work, cleaning, laundry, etc.

Comment #62: Karinna A.  on  08/02  at  02:40 AM

Michael Pollan’s shtick is that as an upper-middle class guy he wants to “reconnect” to something real.  Whether it’s building his own building or butchering his own meat, he feels that his mission is to reignite the primal fires that he thinks are dying in modern society.  The wildly misogynistic aspects of his article were not surprising.  What was most surprising to me was that he didn’t take the bait on sewing and darning.  He’s all about food and shelter - why isn’t he also about clothing?

Comment #63: BABH  on  08/02  at  03:48 AM

I notice, with some sadness, that the article is linked by Susan G. at Daily Kos as a “beautiful long-form piece of journalism.”

Comment #64: BABH  on  08/02  at  04:09 AM

You can blame individuals, feminism, women, men, but the fact is people aren’t going to cook from scratch more except with drastically reduced work schedules and commutes.  That’s what annoys me about this whole obesity debate.  It’s constantly seen as individual moral failure/laziness and not a result of how our society is structured.  Even if you work “only” 40 hrs a week and “only” a 30 min commute, you’re talking 10 hours out of your day, in most cases not active either.  Now, you’ve got to some how cook a meal from scratch, exercise for an hour every day, get 7-8 hours of sleep.  Let me tell you.  I’ve tried it.  It just doesn’t work.  Something has to give.  In some cases, everything because i’m too wiped out at the end of the day.  And no matter how many people like to gloat that it’s soo quick and easy to cook every night, that has never been my reality.  Maybe I’m just far too slow with the veggie chopping.  It’s tough to get a meal on the table in under an hour. much less one where every piece must be made from scratch with fresh, whole foods.  Spaghetti is my old standby but that’s hardly cooking, using jarred sauce and dried pasta.

Comment #65: rebelliousjezebel  on  08/02  at  04:40 AM

My partner and I have developed a pretty good system: I like making big pots of stew, casseroles, pies, curries or pasta sauces that will last 2 or 3 days so I cook dinner weekdays. He likes making elaborate meals but doesn’t know how to scale up to make leftovers so he cooks all meals (best poached eggs in the world) on weekends. He does the weekly big shop because grocery stores give me existential crises, I do the specialist (organic market, fishmongers) shopping because I am more knowledgeable.

Comment #66: SapphireCate  on  08/02  at  06:27 AM

“taught millions of American women to regard housework, cooking included, as drudgery”

Because nobody ever regarded it that way until a book told them to.

Comment #67: GumbyAnne  on  08/02  at  09:07 AM

Was your dad from the depression era?
My parent were and I got that a lot

My dad was not Depression-era, and we were never allowed to whine about dinner.  He was teaching us to be polite.  I don’t understand these people that let their kids sit around and whine and moan at whomever just spent at least an hour preparing a meal.  That is so RUDE, and I don’t care what class you come from.  I think it’s just human decency to not bitch at someone who just made you something, and if some men let their kids sit around and do that to the woman who just cooked for them, they are absolute dirtbags.

We were also always expected to have a “No, Thank You” bite of everything that was offered at the table.  The bite was to be a normal-sized bite, taken graciously, with no faces made.  We were to eat said bite like any normal bite.  If, after that, we did not want to eat the offending offering, we were welcome to leave the rest on the plate. 

As my mom always said, “People forget that tastes change.”  It takes up to ten offerings of a fruit or vegetable before you know whether or not a baby really dislikes it.  They go from a bland milk diet to suddenly having flavors.  It’s an affront to their palate, and they need to get used to flavors.  The problem is, many parents see the face the baby makes when offered peaches and thinks, “Oh, s/he doesn’t like these” and never offers the food again.  That’s where part of the bland diet comes from.

The other is, Mom was right.  I used to hate asparagus and tomatoes as a kid.  Thanks to her “No, Thank You” policy, these are now my favorite vegetables.  Your palate does really evolve over time, and as you develop, you become more able to discern certain flavors.  I still employ the policy when I eat out, and I’ve learned that I like a wide variety of foods.  I feel bad for my friends who won’t even try, for example, sushi.  Instead they just assume they won’t like it and look like big, fat babies when out in public being offered something they think they won’t like.

Comment #68: speedbudget  on  08/02  at  09:29 AM

My partner and I have developed a pretty good system: I like making big pots of stew, casseroles, pies, curries or pasta sauces that will last 2 or 3 days .

And THAT is the solution for ‘too tired too cook after a long day’ - batch cooking.

If you can cook simple, easily-frozen or refrigerated in portions stuff, you’re set - you don’t have to actually cook worth a damn from one weekend to the next. It’s how I take from-scratch food to work for lunch every day - I make a pot of something on Saturday, portion and freeze most of it, make something on Sunday (or maybe I make two things on one day), freeze some of it ... in no time doing this you have a freezer full of great food you can pull out and have ready to eat in minutes. Rest of the time, from-scratch food can be as simple and quick as a poached egg on toast with some greens pulled out of a bag, a good sandwich made from good fresh ingredients and good bread or whatever. I don’t consider myself a skilled cook in any way but I fee myself pretty cheaply compared to most folks I know and most of the stuff I do takes less time to prepare than waiting for a pizza to arrive.

Comment #69: killerrobot  on  08/02  at  09:33 AM

Usually I love to cook, but I will get stretches of a week or even two where for some reason I cannot be bothered—and I am a “domestic engineer,” shall we say, with plenty of time, so no excuse there. Suddenly I just can’t, and the spouse and I have popcorn for dinner ... I do have busy times of the year, like now with the harvest from our large garden coming in (I do canning and freezing, plus drying herbs etc.), and for those times I really rely on two gadgets: my slow cooker and pressure cooker. I know I’ll be too tired from whatever I’ve done in the garden or putting up the harvest to want to cook in the evening, so if I make it ahead of time we eat better.

I sort of understand, from my just-can’t-cook periods, why some people hate it. But then when I’ve got my mojo back, I feel puzzled all over again. I’ve been thinking of doing a poll about it among people I know.

I noticed the blame-the-feminist thing in the Pollan piece, but I can’t help it, I still like Pollan a lot and forgive him this. Most of his philosophy on food is something I share.

Comment #70: estraven  on  08/02  at  09:45 AM

My dad was not Depression-era, and we were never allowed to whine about dinner.  He was teaching us to be polite.  I don’t understand these people that let their kids sit around and whine and moan at whomever just spent at least an hour preparing a meal.  That is so RUDE, and I don’t care what class you come from.  I think it’s just human decency to not bitch at someone who just made you something, and if some men let their kids sit around and do that to the woman who just cooked for them, they are absolute dirtbags.

Yep.  One of the things guaranteed to set my father off was hearing someone proclaim in a whiny voice I don’t like tha-at.  His first response was “Have you ever had it?  Then how do you know you don’t like it?”

Even if it was a food that he and Mom would eventually recognize that we really did not like, we still had to try it.  The promise was that he would bring us nightmares if he ever found out that we had been in someone’s home and turned up our noses at what was served.  And that has stood me in good stead when I have been served something I dislike at someone else’s home.  I take a small portion, eat it, compliment the person who served it and go on with life.

Comment #71: dakine100  on  08/02  at  10:21 AM

BABH, I think that’s an annoying part of his routine, but it’s not the only factor. Yes, I think he overvalues the concept of “natural”, and he definitely buys into the idea that time turns things he’d consider unnatural natural.  Like his rule about how you don’t eat anything your grandmother (or my great-grandmother, I suppose, since my grandmother got married in 1952, and so was well into the processed food era) wouldn’t recognize.  That includes a lot of foods that are ones that would still perpetuate the health problems Americans have from our diets, including refined sugar, white flour, and cooking with lard.

Comment #72: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/02  at  10:23 AM

As a picky eater, I have to say that there is the other side to the “rudeness” question.  When I politely decline to offer the complete list of foods I eat and the complete justification for each, or I don’t discuss the faults with what is being served and just decline to take some of what is described as someone’s best work ever, I am still pressured to try something I already know (from experience, not cowardice) that I won’t like.  There’s nothing I like more than having an audience watch as I try not to gag on something of a completely foreign texture or taste.  If they really want me to vomit their spinach lasagna on their linen, I could oblige.  But I prefer not to.  What’s even better is that some will ask whether and how it is that I’m regular, and I don’t mean socially normal or 87 octane.

I try not to be a bother to anyone, which infuriated my ex wife.  She wanted to cook for me, to share food and cooking, to make me happy in a way that made her happy, and I just wasn’t able to do that for her.  (That wasn’t the cause of the divorce, but it was one of many factors.)  She couldn’t stand having to explain my diet to others, as along with the social pressure on me there was considerable judgment put upon her as there must be something wrong with her if her own husband didn’t like normal food.  There were divisions in the family as to which members thought I should be forced to eat (remember, they’re discussing a man in his thirties) whatever they served and which members thought I could fend for myself.  The conservative ultraconformist in-laws lost as handily as did my family, my girlfriends, my schools, my coworkers, my friends, and all the many others who tried to change me.

Although I’m jealous of the omnivores around me, I’m not ever going to be one.  Offering food to me is never a problem (and I really do like to try some varieties of new things,) but expecting and demanding that I eat something is as rude as it would be for me to loudly discuss all the things wrong with the food others are eating.  Picky eaters and rude eaters are different species, and even a mom that couldn’t raise a kid that ate “normally” could raise someone who wasn’t an asshole about it.

Comment #73: 3letterjon  on  08/02  at  10:25 AM

Oh, but that said, his other critiques of the food industry are way more sound.  He’s not allergic to evidence-based arguments.  Our food industry is screwed.  HfCSs aren’t bad because they’re unnatural, they’re bad because they’re cheap and therefore it’s tempting to put them in everything, so a lot of people eat them all day long.  The constant recalls of produce and meat because it’s been contaminated with plain old shit is something that even Megan McArdle would have a problem denying is a problem.

Comment #74: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/02  at  10:26 AM

truth is life, my mother used to cook-level cook three meals a day for us. (When we were younger and weren’t dragging our feet about a lunch box full of soy protein nugget surprise I am talking everything-from-scratch, and as we got older sometimes we had things like cereal and store-bought bagels.) For about five years there in mid-childhood we’re talking homemade bread, hot breakfasts, and lunches packed by her with two vegetables and a fruit. How did she do it? Well, my mother is insanely motivated about everything and gets up at four in the morning; she had a lot of automation (she cooked about 50% fewer meals after the mixer and food processor broke, but we’re still talking crock pot and bread machine and batch freezing - these are things that replace the household staff of yesteryear to some degree), during this point in time my father could be relied upon to do most of the big household cleaning, she worked a “mommy job” that didn’t sap too much of her mental energy, and she was very introverted and didn’t have much of a social life outside of work. Also my mother was not of this whole “get down on the floor and play with your children” school and liked having demarcated territory (the kitchen) that we couldn’t enter unless we were going to chop vegetables for her.

I am very grateful for the skills I learned from her, and that I consider real food to mean vegetables and also beans, but goddamn, I am willing to concede that my mother is capable of superhuman effort but I’m not willing to count on same from myself one day.

Comment #75: purpleshoes  on  08/02  at  10:42 AM

I still don’t think the Pollan piece was particularly blaming or “about” how feminism killed home cooking.  There’s wistfulness and oversimplification in that section Amanda quoted above, and “thoughtlessly trampled” is quite a provocation, but IMHO it didn’t seem like that was the Rosetta Stone to the essay—it’s really about the contrast between the popularity and celebrity of cooking on TV and the decline (as Pollan sees it) of actual cooking at home.  Here’s his “thesis statement:”

But here’s what I don’t get: How is it that we are so eager to watch other people browning beef cubes on screen but so much less eager to brown them ourselves? For the rise of Julia Child as a figure of cultural consequence — along with Alice Waters and Mario Batali and Martha Stewart and Emeril Lagasse and whoever is crowned the next Food Network star — has, paradoxically, coincided with the rise of fast food, home-meal replacements and the decline and fall of everyday home cooking.

That decline has several causes: women working outside the home; food companies persuading Americans to let them do the cooking; and advances in technology that made it easier for them to do so. Cooking is no longer obligatory, and for many people, women especially, that has been a blessing. But perhaps a mixed blessing, to judge by the culture’s continuing, if not deepening, fascination with the subject. It has been easier for us to give up cooking than it has been to give up talking about it — and watching it.

Or, after reducing it down:

television has succeeded in turning cooking into a spectator sport

And he specifically addresses (in section 5, page 5) work schedules and commutes as factors in this apparent decline.  It’s how he turns to talking about technology and processed foods.

Now, there is also a whole slightly overwrought tribute to Mommy going on as a leitmotif.  He tends to talk about _women_ cooking or not cooking, not really _men_, so when he goes generic and talks about why _people_ should cook it can come across that he’s really still addressing women.  And that gunks up his ending, which is meant to rally both women and men, but the “men” part feels like an afterthought:

Once it has been destroyed, can a culture of everyday cooking be rebuilt? One in which men share equally in the work? One in which the cooking shows on television once again teach people how to cook from scratch and, as Julia Child once did, actually empower them to do it?

Let us hope so. Because it’s hard to imagine ever reforming the American way of eating or, for that matter, the American food system unless millions of Americans — women and men — are willing to make cooking a part of daily life. The path to a diet of fresher, unprocessed food, not to mention to a revitalized local-food economy, passes straight through the home kitchen.

Anyway, while I’m sure Pollan has blind spots when it comes to gender, I think that the paragraph Amanda highlighted is by far the worst offender, rather than being typical of the essay.

Comment #76: FlipYrWhig  on  08/02  at  01:07 PM

Blaming feminism is fine as long as the blame then goes on to the men who are not picking up the slack.

Comment #77: 3letterjon  on  08/02  at  01:19 PM

“Anytime the kids started complaining they don’t like to eat a particular item, all the parents/older relatives in my family needed to do was to recount how living life in wartorn China/Taiwan of the 1930’s and 40’s with its endemic poverty was such that one was damned lucky to have anything to eat”

It was a little different in my family, more like this:

“we were never allowed to whine about dinner.  He was teaching us to be polite.  I don’t understand these people that let their kids sit around and whine and moan at whomever just spent at least an hour preparing a meal.  That is so RUDE”

It was OK that I dispise any and all seafood, and no, thank you but I dont want any fish.

What was not OK was forgetting all the man-hours involved in earning the money to buy the food, going out to purchace it, prepairing and cooking it and cleaning up afterwards while my 7 yr old but was parked on the couch watching cartoons all day instead of having to go out and shine shoes to bring some money in

Comment #78: jefft452  on  08/02  at  01:20 PM

Having gotten on a gluten-free diet, I can tell you that the “cook it for yourself” diet is in fact a good way both to get some basic cooking skills and to mostly eat simple stuff that’s good for you.

If you like vegetables.

Comment #79: Punditus Maximus  on  08/02  at  01:32 PM

Anyway, while I’m sure Pollan has blind spots when it comes to gender

Again, why is Pollan uncharacteristically dismissive of sewing and darning?  It’s exactly the sort of back-to-fundamentals, modern-society-has-replaced-fine-craftsmanship-with-shoddy-manufacturing thing that he has built his career on.  But sewing is for girls.

Comment #80: BABH  on  08/02  at  01:34 PM

Amanda -

But Pollan’s just wrong that it was feminism.

I am no student of the history of the women’s liberation movement, but it’s my recollection that by the late 70’s, early 80’s, there was a discernable (albeit conservative) backlash against the “You must get out of the house and work at a career” mindset, and being a stay-at-home mom was then seen as a full-time, even a total/all time job. I do think that one unintended result of the feminism movement was to create the unfortunate heightened expectations for women to maintain a career, AND be the total ideal of the home-maker/mom.

Beyond his clumsy put-downs, he doesn’t address this.

My read (beyond his couple of jabs at wimmen’s libbers) is that the article focuses more on our slide towards packaged food and groupings of ingredients into products, than on blaming career women for this slide. His jabs are clumsy, and I think, for you and others, color the article in a way that he didn’t intend.

Comment #81: I Heart Puppies  on  08/02  at  01:58 PM

3letterjohn:

I was on the other side of that—dated a girl who was not only a hardcore junk food junkie, but a very cowardly one at that. She didn’t even like nachos. And I have a massive cookbook collection and have a nasty habit of spending free money at restaurants. It was not a good match and we broke up after a month.

Comment #82: BrianX  on  08/02  at  02:03 PM

What was not OK was forgetting all the man-hours involved in earning the money to buy the food, going out to purchace it, prepairing and cooking it and cleaning up afterwards while my 7 yr old but was parked on the couch watching cartoons all day instead of having to go out and shine shoes to bring some money in

jefft452,

Good points.  This was probably the other reason why the crass open displays of pickiness among my upper/upper-middle undergrad classmates rubbed me the wrong way…especially when it reeked of entitlement like the “this sux” types of criticism.  I hoped they’ve grown up since then as I can see how living with or even being around such types of people can be aggravating and even soul draining if taken to extremes. 

It was OK that I dispise any and all seafood, and no, thank you but I dont want any fish.

Interesting as I have had several friends who tended to despise any and all seafood.  I’ve found it interesting that this preference seemed IME to be far more common among Americans, especially those with distant Northern European ancestors than in many other groups.  Is this actually the case as I do not find such a strong common dislike of seafood among non-Americans as much?

Comment #83: exholt  on  08/02  at  03:12 PM

Again, why is Pollan uncharacteristically dismissive of sewing and darning?

Well, he has an answer to that:

Perhaps because cooking — unlike sewing or darning socks — is an activity that strikes a deep emotional chord in us, one that might even go to the heart of our identity as human beings.

And from there he goes into his anthropology of cooking as a primal act of human civilization.  I don’t know if I buy that, but that’s his answer. 

But you’re right:  it seems like someone else could write a very similar essay about why people don’t sew anymore but are happy to watch Project Runway (where contestants do sew) or What Not To Wear (where they talk about altering off-the-rack clothes but not about doing the alterations yourself).  Or why people don’t do carpentry anymore but are happy to watch HGTV.  You can do it for any one of the basic human needs!

Comment #84: FlipYrWhig  on  08/02  at  03:18 PM

Re: food preferences, I’m almost shocked by ads that presume that very little kids will actively refuse to eat vegetables or foods designated as “healthy.”  My middle-class suburban family went through periods where a kid would declare a dislike for a certain food—I remember my brother attempting to pick the tomatoes out of his spaghetti sauce—but the idea that “vegetables” as a category were such a flashpoint of controversy and struggle doesn’t ring true to me. 

(My wife’s theory is that for a long time the default method of preparing vegetables has been boiling them into a limp and woeful pile, and that’s what veggie-hating kids must dislike:  the preparation, more so than the food itself.  But we have no kids on whom to test this hypothesis.)

Comment #85: FlipYrWhig  on  08/02  at  03:28 PM

I read about this on Broadsheet and had pretty much the same reaction.

OK, I’m an unrepentant foodie. People tell me that I should open a restaurant all the time but I wouldn’t want to crush the joy I get out of cooking awesome food by making it something I *had* to do, day after day, for people who were paying for it (sending stuff back, asking for substitutions, etc). We make homemade meals here at Chez Pony nearly every night, and we try to use as many fresh ingredients as we can, particularly during the summer months when it’s farmstand time.

And while there is a lot of work, here’s how I’ve combated culinary ennui: I built my Recipe Sharing Database. Over the past few years, I’ve put literally hundreds of recipes into my copy. I can search for recipes based on course, type, even the time it takes to prepare. So every Saturday morning, before I go do my grocery shopping, I pull this thing up, I do a search for a vegetarian main course (we try to have at least 2 a week), one “production” meal for the weekend, a curry if that wasn’t already covered in the vegetarian course (Turmeric has been known to combat dementia and diabetes), and then I search for main courses that are ready in less than an hour. I check off seven different meals, and then I print a grocery list—omitting the ingredients I already have on-hand, and it will print out a grocery list for me with everything I need to cook for a week organized by aisle, so I can minimize the time I spend in the grocery aisle. Then, I have everything I need for a week’s worth of food, there’s no “oh shit I don’t have this” worries mid-week when I need to make something, and the best part is I can swap recipes with my friends peer-to-peer.

Earlier this year,  Jesse started a recipe thread for people—quick, easy, cheap meals that even a beginner should be able to cook. I took the liberty of transcribing these recipes into a data file for the recipe database. After you’ve downloaded and unpacked the program, simply download the linked Pandagon.zip file and unzip it. Drag the file Recipe_Export.rcx (the only file in the archive) to your desktop. From the Recipe Database, go to File -> Import Recipes. It will do the rest. Instant 20 recipes to start you off with.

Comment #86: Mighty Ponygirl  on  08/02  at  03:43 PM

Thanks a lot, MP!

Comment #87: FlipYrWhig  on  08/02  at  03:46 PM

I like to cook well enough, but I live alone and work odd (and often long and unpredictable) hours.  Fairly often I’ll buy some nice, fresh ingredients, then work late the next four days and by the time I get around to cooking my ingredients aren’t so fresh any more.  That plus the lack of an audience makes me a lot less inclined to cook.  I prefer baking, actually - I’m better at it and by its nature it’s more portable and sharable which increases the reward:effort ratio in a satisfying way.

Comment #88: libdevil  on  08/02  at  04:12 PM

BrianX,

Good matches are hard to find, but so worth it.  I’m glad you moved on rather than try the fruitless (pun acknowledged, not intended, but still appropriate) quest to change her.  I’ve had too many people try to change me over the years to appreciate such attention.  My diet is as serious as a drug addiction to some people, while others find it similar to a quirky habit.  To me, it’s pretty much non-negotiable, and I find myself in an oddball dating pool of older adults who aren’t interested in living together, don’t want to change our ways, and have lives that waver between loneliness, happy solitude, and bouts of extreme joy that we live alone and can pretty much do whatever we want with our time.  The date/marry/buy a house/have kids path is either in our past or never was part of our plans in the first place, and personal quirks large and small are a lot more acceptable to us.

Comment #89: 3letterjon  on  08/02  at  04:15 PM

Amanda correctly diagnosed Pollan’s error. Feminism never said that women shouldn’t cook. Feminism said that women were full-fledged people who were entitled to pursue their talents and interests.

I’ll assume for the sake of argument that Americans eat less home-cooked food because feminism opened up the workforce to women. (Although, that’s probably not true. Heavily processed foods are icons of the pre-feminist 1950s, when food companies marketed convenience to women as a kind of pseudo-liberation.)

So, let’s say that in a family where both parents work a day job, it’s less likely that anyone is going to feel like cooking a meal from scratch at the end of the day. However, extensive research shows that working mothers do a lot more domestic work than working fathers. So, if anyone has time to cook, it’s working fathers.

Comment #90: Lindsay Beyerstein  on  08/02  at  05:11 PM

3letterjon, I hear you.  I am and always have been a very picky eater.  People can be amazingly rude about it.  I was lucky in that my aversion was almost entirely towards meat; so the problem was solved by becoming a vegetarian.  People tend to give you less shit when they think you’re not eating their roast beef (which is the best roast beef, everyone tells them so!) due to some moral conviction rather than your taste.  I do feel for people who have less socially acceptable aversions.  And like you said it is possible to turn down food without becoming offensive to the cook or generally being whiny.  Sadly it seems to be a skill a lot of people lack. 

There’s also a difference between having given food a really good shot but just totally been unable to develop a taste for it, and refusing to even try a food on principle.  I’ve known two people who will frequently refuse vegetables.  One has tried very hard to find recipes that will make them tolerable to her but repeated failures have made her give up; the other has seriously never, in his 23 years of existence, even tried a tomato.

Comment #91: laterose  on  08/02  at  06:06 PM

I am no student of the history of the women’s liberation movement, but it’s my recollection that by the late 70’s, early 80’s, there was a discernable (albeit conservative) backlash against the “You must get out of the house and work at a career” mindset, and being a stay-at-home mom was then seen as a full-time, even a total/all time job. I do think that one unintended result of the feminism movement was to create the unfortunate heightened expectations for women to maintain a career, AND be the total ideal of the home-maker/mom.


This unintended result can not be laid at the feet of feminism, though.  (This is not to mention that the changing economic landscape starting in the mid-70s meant that many women had to work outside the home to keep the family going, and also that this work was always necessary for many other women.)  Feminism never said that women have to work a full day and then come home and be a domestic goddess; in fact, feminism recognized this as a problem and gave it a name—the second shift. 
What you describe was not an unintended result of feminism, but a result, intended or not, of anti-feminists and their colluders. 
So, the solution, as the title of this post indicates, is more feminism—women responsible for less domestic work, and men for more.  Especially since now so many families can not do without the double income and allow one partner to stay at home and do the domestic work.

Comment #92: rowmyboat  on  08/02  at  06:16 PM

Again, why is Pollan uncharacteristically dismissive of sewing and darning?
I suppose (above and beyond the earlier quote) that it’s because you don’t *consume* your clothes; they don’t become part of you, and they don’t have the same impact on health that your choice of food can. Seen in that light, it seems—reasonable, at least, to focus on food, rather than clothes, or housing, or anything of that sort. (Plus, the defects in such are perhaps less obvious and immediate; bad food is bad food, but you might not find out how shoddily-made your house or clothes are for months or years, by which time it is easier to chalk the problems up to maintenance or wear than poor manufacture or building)

Comment #93: truth is life  on  08/02  at  06:42 PM

Not to mention that the move to mechanized food production began, as noted in the article, closer to 1900, not 1965. To blame 1963 feminism for mass-produced food is just historically inaccurate. It is a sort of classism that assumes that because many people, like Pollan, noticed middle-class mothers leaving the kitchen for careers in the 1960s meant that women did not work at all prior. In 1910, more than a quarter of all workers were women. Even in the Great Depression, roughly 25% of married women worked. That was really one of the main pushes for equality - women were already working, they just weren’t getting paid the same, advanced the same, or having their employment taken seriously. Even if they were the main breadwinners for families, they were unilaterally considered superfluous workers. Certainly self-fulfillment was another reason women began taking up careers, but the idea that they didn’t work prior is annoying pervasive.
Anyway, although this attack on feminism was only a small part of the larger article of why people watch cooking shows but do not cook, it was still enough to grate on me. It seems to blame, with Pollan’s mother as the main focus, modern women for missing out on the joys of cooking, for packaged meals because they are working, and for a lack of health because they have stopped cooking.
I would doubt that Pollan would even see this as an attack, really, merely reporting on a trend he is observing. The fact that he completely misses the point of the trend, though, is why it is offensive. He doesn’t spend the article wondering why more men do no take up cooking like himself, that offers so much enjoyment and health, it seems to be come off as “man, it has been rough for everyone since women stopped cooking. I wonder how it could be fixed?” Once gain, the food prep burden is on women for not cooking healthy, locally grown, foods from scratch like ‘they once did.’

Comment #94: Tenya  on  08/02  at  07:05 PM

Kids shouldn’t have a one-cook childhood if it can be helped. My mother doesn’t like asparagus and I don’t like shrimp, for example. So in two (or more)-adult households, no one person should be tasked with almost all the cooking, mother or father. Historically it’s been the mother’s exclusive role, though, so that message needs to be directed at fathers more than mothers.

I’d have loved to have had the opportunity to take home ec in high school, but not at the expense of my female classmates being forced to.

Flip:

Maybe Pollan is falling into that trap too, just for a moment failing to note that home cooking involves men too, or _can_, or _should_.

Which is odd, because I seem to recall that in Omnivore’s Dilemma he did all the cooking that was documented himself.

asdf:

The man wrote a book on how you can eat meat to improve the world. And you expected doctrinal purity?

I never read his first book. He must have said that there, because the closest he came in the subsequent ones was that eating meat isn’t incompatible with improving the world—- but we should be eating far less meat, if any, than we do.

Godless Heathen:

I don’t think I’m the only one inspired to start cooking after watching Good Eats.

You’re not; watching that and Emeril while NPO in the hospital in 2003 really got me into cooking.

Karinna:

Who really wants to come home at 6, figure out supper, cook it, and then slog the kids all over creation to lessons and practices?

Um, me? Well, only one kid, and no “slogging all over creation” so she needn’t play with the NOKD neighbor children, but other than that, yeah.

Of course, I also don’t think that 7:30 or even 8 is ridiculously late for dinner.

Flip

Now, there is also a whole slightly overwrought tribute to Mommy going on as a leitmotif.

I wouldn’t be in the least surprised to learn that Pollan’s own mother cooked for little Michael and little Tracy et al., and since he’s not a feminist (or, rather, he doesn’t work at it; I’m sure he’s not unsympathetic to the ideology and wouldn’t deny it if you asked him) it doesn’t occur to him how that tribute comes off.

BrianX:

3letterjohn:

I love how you manage to get it wrong when there’s a hint right there.smile

dated a girl who was not only a hardcore junk food junkie, but a very cowardly one at that. She didn’t even like nachos. And I have a massive cookbook collection and have a nasty habit of spending free money at restaurants. It was not a good match and we broke up after a month.

My previous relationship was with a college student living in a dorm (when it started); we broke up a few months after she graduated and we got an apartment with a kitchen, which she couldn’t understand my insistence on using to cook food in. That’s not why we broke up, but our different approaches to food and cuisine illustrates as well as anything our different approaches in general.

Lindsay:

Heavily processed foods are icons of the pre-feminist 1950s, when food companies marketed convenience to women as a kind of pseudo-liberation.

Somehow I’m reminded of factory owners (and, coming back to the topic at hand, Whole Foods) raising wages to stave off unionization. Among other, less savory tactics, of course.

Comment #95: Hershele Ostropoler  on  08/02  at  07:22 PM

“Interesting as I have had several friends who tended to despise any and all seafood.  I’ve found it interesting that this preference seemed IME to be far more common among Americans, especially those with distant Northern European ancestors than in many other groups.  Is this actually the case as I do not find such a strong common dislike of seafood among non-Americans as much?”

Dont know
Im the only person that I know who hates all seafood.  But I do know that all fish resturants that i have ever been to have non-seafood dishes on the menu, so I assume that im not alone

Comment #96: jefft452  on  08/02  at  08:22 PM

That’s Chet, and he’s got another agenda.

My “agenda” is not raising the price of food, in a country where 1 in 5 children starve because of poverty. Unfortunately, that’s exactly what Michael Pollen wants to do.

So, yeah, I think he’s a douche, and so does everyone I know who actually works in agriculture - conventional or organic. Am I surprised that he wants to blame the poor and women for food being cheap? Not in the fucking least.

Comment #97: Chet  on  08/02  at  08:27 PM

“It is a sort of classism that assumes that because many people, like Pollan, noticed middle-class mothers leaving the kitchen for careers in the 1960s meant that women did not work at all prior. In 1910, more than a quarter of all workers were women”

Amen

Lets not forget the Triangle Shirt Waist Company and union leaders like Liz Flynn and Mary Jones

Single income working class families were a historical anomoly.  Prior to the New Deal a single worker couldnt earn enough to support a family.  Thats why the whole 1950’s “My wife dosent have to work” thing got started.

Comment #98: jefft452  on  08/02  at  08:35 PM

Oh yes, the healthy-food wing of the Xtreme Parenting philosophy: if only you cooked and served your children the Right Foods, they wouldn’t hate vegetables, love ice cream or turn up their nose at the unfamiliar; clearly if they have a sweet tooth you are a failure as a parent.

Bull. Crap.

Chet, wouldn’t subsidizing healthier foods instead of unhealthier ones also not raise the price of food? And if 20% of children in America are starving, then clearly even subsidized corn-riddled food is too expensive.

Comment #99: mythago  on  08/02  at  09:22 PM

And if 20% of children in America are starving, then clearly even subsidized corn-riddled food is too expensive.

Sure. Food needs to be even cheaper than it is, and less people need to be involved in producing it, and less land needs to be given over to it. Which we’ve been working towards. Pollen wants to reverse all three of these trends. In a world where the top causes of death are nutritional deficiencies, we’re not yet at the point where improving food quality should be a priority over improving food availability.

Comment #100: Chet  on  08/02  at  10:13 PM

False dilemma. But you knew that.

Comment #101: mythago  on  08/03  at  12:04 AM

False dilemma.

Except that it’s not, it’s a real dilemma, and you must have known that.

Comment #102: Chet  on  08/03  at  12:37 AM

I know what the thesis is.  I just didn’t want to write about that.  I wrote about a side issue.  In fact, I think the fact that he buried his swipes at feminism in the piece and didn’t make that the thesis might make it more damaging, because a lot of people will nod and go along, whereas if it was the thesis, that’s obviously wrong and risible.

Comment #103: Amanda Marcotte  on  08/03  at  09:28 AM

Maybe he’s putting too much stress on the idea that feminism equals women working outside the home which equals less home cooking, ergo by the transitive property feminism equals less home cooking.  But it’s not like he thinks women working outside the home is a Bad Thing.  It could be that “thoughtlessly trampled” is the _only_ “swipe” per se, though I hasten to add that it’s a rather regrettable one.

Still, I’m more confused by why he doesn’t talk about the gratification _men_ give up by not sharing in or just plain doing the home cooking he advocates, especially because Pollan is one of those men who does it.  (Especially given his sub-thesis that cooking shows are sports-like.  Why doesn’t that style of presentation get Dude Nation to cook more?)  That’s what I meant by bringing up his equivocations between noting (or lamenting) how “people” don’t cook vs. “women” don’t cook.  Not discussing men and cooking creates an effect where the not-cooking people are all women.  And he knows better than that, and _talks_ better than that, plenty of the time.  It’s a weird lapse, or choice.

Comment #104: FlipYrWhig  on  08/03  at  02:28 PM

It’s a weird lapse, or choice.

As Christina Hoff Summers demonstrated, coating a perfectly ordinary argument in antifeminism racks up sales and media attention.

Comment #105: mythago  on  08/03  at  02:52 PM

@ mythago, could be so, but Pollan’s already a media star.  Sommers, Roiphe, Caitlin Flanagan, etc. made their names with antifeminism.  Pollan doesn’t need to make his name this way; it’s already made.  So “antifeminism” seems to me to be a strong name for whatever Pollan is doing here—which is not to say he hasn’t stepped in it regardless of the “why.”

Comment #106: FlipYrWhig  on  08/03  at  05:02 PM

Re: how do parents do it?

I’m from a household with two small children and two working spouses.  We are able to make it work because of my spouse’s schedule of 3 work days of 13 hours each.  We typically prepare 3-4 meals per week and eat leftovers the other days. We plan out our meals every week.  The ones that take more prep time often get made on the weekends.  Some things do not take a long prep time, but do need to cook for a long time.  These dishes Spouse makes on the weekdays she is home alone with the kids.  We also have a couple of quick recipies I can make when I’m solo parenting.  By the time I get home after picking up the kids from daycare, it is usually 6. Tonight is one such night.  I’m going to sautee some frsh veggies from the garden that I already picked and washed.  Then I’ll either add some leftover chicken to a marinara we made last week and have pasta or I’ll use the chicken in quesadillas. It can be damm hard to get even a 30 minute meal done in 30 minutes with 2 pre-schoolers.  So if we both worked a typical 5 day a week schedule, it would be much harder.

The ‘men = BBQ’ is pernicious.  Even my feminist spouse took a couple years to get used to the idea that I did not automatically want to tend the fire.

Comment #107: Ron O.  on  08/03  at  05:35 PM
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