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Zero tolerance strip search declared illegal, but what are the implications?

Once in awhile, something defies common sense so much that even people like Justices Scalia, Alito, and Roberts can see it.  Today, we found out what their limit on state-sponsored assholery is.  In an 8-1 decision, the court ruled against the Arizona school that put a 13-year-old female student through a humiliating strip search in order to find over the counter ibuprofen that the girl didn’t even have.  Some of us in the blogosphere were worried about this case, because some of the judges (even liberalish ones) were asking questions that seemed insufficiently aware of how humiliating a strip search can be or how ridiculous it is to forbid teenagers to have harmless over the counter pain medications or how awful it is that the school is enabling teenage bullying by allowing student “tips” to be reason enough for strip searches, with no willingness to punish kids who use this to get their enemies.  But this strong majority decision inclines me to think we didn’t need to worry too much. 

Clarence Thomas dissented, and the excerpts in the AP story incline me to wonder if he realized that the strip search based on a student “tip” (that was most likely an act of bullying) didn’t result in the discovery of any pills.

Thomas warned that the majority’s decision could backfire. “Redding would not have been the first person to conceal pills in her undergarments,” he said. “Nor will she be the last after today’s decision, which announces the safest place to secrete contraband in school.”

Which reads a lot like saying, “Teenagers might actually get the impression that they have a right to privacy, and adults can’t just demand that they be stripped naked at any point in time on what amounts to a whim.”  Which I see as a good thing.  I don’t imagine Justice Thomas would like it very much if his basic right to a little personal privacy was tossed away so cavalierly. 

The question that this brings up for me, and I don’t even come close to knowing the answer, is how much sweep this decision has in terms of protecting students from some of the more tyrannical abuses of power that school officials enjoy.  I wouldn’t think it has much sweep, since the case is so completely over the top in terms of abuse of power—-the fact that the search was justified on a tip that was apparently not even assessed to see if it might be bullying instead of a legitimate tip, the fact that the drug in question is more harmless than a lot of other substances that get into schools (such as peanuts!), and the fact that the school officials went straight to humiliating the girl through nudity with only a quick examination of her backpack beforehand.  It’s possible that all this will do is cause school officials to spend 10 more minutes of justifying the strip searches they perform, perhaps by interrogating accusers a little or bothering to do locker searches before proceeding onto the humiliation. 

Even if it has more sweep, I doubt it will do much to roll back the problem of zero tolerance policies, however, which are the main problem at hand.  Linking this back to Jesse’s post about discipline patterns and prejudice, it’s important to understand that in zero tolerance land, it becomes acceptable to freak out over things like a girl having Midol in her purse or some boy wears baggy pants.  When anything can be treated like rock solid evidence of criminality, it becomes super easy to railroad kids that trip up the school officials’ prejudices.  Not that I don’t think the school-to-prison pipeline couldn’t exist without zero tolerance, but I’m guessing it greases the wheels significantly.  The irony of zero tolerance is that it’s going to be selectively enforced.  It has to be.  When you can blow pretty much any behavior up to make it seem criminal, either everyone is turned into a criminal or you simply focus all your attention on kids that you had your suspicions about because of their race, family’s income level, or, as in the days after Columbine, their tendency to wear black clothes and listen to weird music.

 

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Posted by Amanda Marcotte on 12:52 PM • (52) Comments

As I said below, Thomas’ dissent is very disturbing to me.  He’s thinking way too much about teenaged girls’ underwear, and what is underneath it.  He also doesn’t believe underwear should be a safe, private, or hidden place.

The man is fucked up and doesn’t belong on the Court.

Comment #1: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/25  at  01:53 PM

I heard that Thomas has some Ibuprofen with him.  Now who’s gonna check in his undies?

Comment #2: bananacat  on  06/25  at  01:54 PM

Consistently Thomas has shown his belief that schools possess all of the authority over children that their parents have, and that the notion of “rights” has no meaning for children in schools. Although the idea that suspicious parents can have their teenage daughters strip in front of them is beyond disturbing.

Comment #3: Hector B.  on  06/25  at  01:59 PM

I’m with you, Caren.  This bit, in particular, arguing for the return to a complete in loco parentis model in which schools can make whatever rules they please and if parents don’t like it, they can “move” is what really got to me:

Only then will teachers again be able to “‘govern the[ir] pupils, quicken the slothful, spur the indolent, restrain the impetuous, and control the stubborn’” by making “‘rules, giv[ing] commands, and punish[ing] disobedience’” without interference from judges.”

It’s waaaaay to “Spare the rod, spoil the child” for me.

Comment #4: FashionablyEvil  on  06/25  at  02:07 PM

Thomas is also the only justice on the conservative wing to not have a daughter (maybe out of all the justices, don’t know).  I can’t help but think that would affect their empathies a bit.

Comment #5: D  on  06/25  at  02:09 PM

This was such a lousy ruling—what it really ended up doing was establishing that school officials can strip the kids under their care without possibility of being brought up on either sexual abuse charges or civil rights violations.

I mean, yay, we established an absolute minimum bar.  And yes, Thomas is insanely horrible.  But man.

Comment #6: Punditus Maximus  on  06/25  at  02:15 PM

D on,
That is an excellent point.  While strip-searching is certainly horrifying for boys, it’s even worse for girls because they have more pressure to be “pure” and are taught to be more ashamed of nakedness.  I guess this shows that conservatives really are capable of the E-word, but only if it personally effects someone they are close to.

Comment #7: bananacat  on  06/25  at  02:17 PM

Souter doesn’t have any children (never married, either).  But all the rest of the justices have at least one daughter.  (Until my wikipedia review just now, I had no idea that Scalia had nine children, including 4 daughters).

Comment #8: FashionablyEvil  on  06/25  at  02:17 PM

A friend of mine, when she was in middle school, was one of the “weird” kids who was picked on by the “popular” kids, as commonly happens in middle school.  Two girls decided one day to report that she had made a bomb threat against the school.  Of course, it made sense!  I mean, she was WEIRD!  Of course she would threaten to blow up the school and I mean, she was weird!  She probably had a bomb in her purse!

My friend was arrested.  The girls recanted when they found out that, oh shit, this was a big fucking deal and police were involved.  So I don’t think anything more serious than handcuffing and arresting a 13-year-old girl on a tip from other 13-year-old girls happened that day. 

This case makes me think of that.  In my friend’s case, yeah, bomb threats are things that should be taken sort of seriously and I can’t blame the school for taking action, although I think it would behoove them to consider the source (kids lie?  who’da thunk!)  But in this case, it was some fucking ADVIL.  Teachers in my school were “dealers” in Advil for any girl who had cramps.  And unless she shoved an entire bottle of it up her vag, I’m not sure what horrible threat they thought she posed to require her to shake out her underwear. 

Clarence Thomas is just ... yugh.  I bet he wishes he was that nonexistant ibuprofen.  And typing that just made my skin crawl.  Off my body and into the shower without me so I could finish typing this sentence.

Comment #9: BonAppetit  on  06/25  at  02:21 PM

Having read Thomas’ dissent, it’s actually worse than that. 

Shorter Clarence Thomas:

Not only are strip searches entirely appropriate (though this wasn’t really a strip search because the girl wasn’t completely naked), but they don’t go nearly far enough. Just the barest, unsupported accusation of a fellow student provides all the justification a teacher or administrator needs for a full cavity strip search of nubile, pubescent girls…uh, where was I?...or boys.

And, courts shouldn’t interfere, since they don’t know what those crazy kids are up to. They need to be controlled, damn it! Like back in the old days.  Students really don’t have any rights.

We really need more women on this court.

Comment #10: LostSailor  on  06/25  at  02:26 PM

BonAppetit, that’s of of the things that Ginsburg points out in her dissent.  Part of her argument as to why the school officials shouldn’t be immune is that they took the other student’s word at face value without asking any other question about it (e.g., when did she tell you this?  where were you?, etc.)

Comment #11: FashionablyEvil  on  06/25  at  02:27 PM

what it really ended up doing was establishing that school officials can strip the kids under their care without possibility of being brought up on either sexual abuse charges or civil rights violations.

I thought that it established that this particular girl and her family couldn’t get damages, because it wasn’t yet ‘clear’ that subjecting her to the search was unconstitutional.  But now that such a search has been adjudicated in this way, it’s now clear, and similar cases going forward would carry a risk of damages.  But the extent of my legal knowledge is limited to what I just read on DKos by Adam B.

(And FWIW I always thought that the justices were very hard on the school administrators, and that no small part of what they do is play devil’s advocate, so I’m relieved that the Court ruled in this way and not in the ‘dudely’ way the blogosphere dreaded.)

Comment #12: FlipYrWhig  on  06/25  at  02:29 PM

Thomas is all around pretty terrifying - I wrote up my thoughts on the opinion and on the dissent on my blog here: http://mrbillingham.blogsome.com/2009/06/25/a-supreme-court-victory/ if an,yone with more expertise than me wants to critique my read.

Comment #13: Billingham  on  06/25  at  02:32 PM

Thomas is a truly sick fuck. I wish he would commit an impeachable offense.

Comment #14: Steve LaBonne  on  06/25  at  02:37 PM

I think it would be easy to say that this is part of the same broken nature that led Thomas to use pornography to intimidate subordinates. But I think it’s part of a different broken nature: Thomas also saw nothing cruel or unusual about randomly beating the crap out of prisoners, and he’s been a pretty much equal-opportunity authoritarian since then. If an authority figure says it’s OK, then it’s OK.

In theory, this is now settled law and the next school district to molest a kid will pay up in seven figures. In practice, the conervatives on the court will keep finding reasons to let administrators off the hook.

I think Amanda and Jesse have identified an interesting dynamic: zero tolerance, which was ostensibly supposed to eliminate favoritism by subjecting everyone to the same harsh penalties, has instead become an even more effective way for teachers and administrators to discriminate against students they consider troublesome.

Comment #15: paul  on  06/25  at  02:38 PM

Wait, you mean that Clarence “want to watch my movies? here, have some cola” Thomas has disturbing opinions about inappropriate power relationships between girls and the authority figures over them?  Shocking!

Comment #16: jamie d  on  06/25  at  02:38 PM

Fashionably—Scalia is indeed prolific. And caring. One of his boys was on the Bush team during Bush v. Gore. Reason #86 to recuse himself. He didn’t care to, of course.

Comment #17: No One of Consequence  on  06/25  at  02:40 PM

Thomas’ response is that, should the parents not like the school searching their children, to put their kids in a private school, or homeschool, or move.

Seriously.  He wants to get into teen girls’ underwear so badly, that the only way to avoid strip searches, even if your parents want to forbid the school, they really don’t have that authority.  In loco parentis is more powerful than parentis.

Rich people can send their kids to schools that respect their children.  Poor people can just move.

He’s worthless.  As a human being as well as a judge.

Comment #18: Caren-Sun-blocking Creator of Animorphic Pancakes  on  06/25  at  02:51 PM

Somehow, as soon as I saw the vote, I knew who the dissenter was.  Has he asked a question yet this session, or is his streak still unbroken?

Of all the justices, I suspect he’s the one who makes up his mind before even sitting down to hear the particulars of a given case.  Dude belongs on the Supreme Court like my aged, unathletic self belong on the LA Lakers.

Comment #19: damnedyankee  on  06/25  at  02:53 PM

I don’t have children yet, and I know I will never be able to homeschool them when I have them. It’s just kind of sad that I am thinking already about how old they will have to be before they can reasonably expect to be able to recite “I do not consent to any search without my parents present. I need you to call my parents.” Maybe I can get them little laminated cards.

Luckily, as noted in our last thread (which I’m sorry got derailed on this topic so fast, even if I was the derailer) I will be a white educated parent who can (and probably will) bring lawyers if the situation merits it. And so my kids will get entirely favorable treatment, instead of the basic benefit of the doubt, legal protection, and fair review everyone deserves.

Comment #20: purpleshoes  on  06/25  at  03:01 PM

Well, fortunately, purpleshoes, there are plenty of school districts, including the NYC public schools, that (oh-so-sensibly) explicitly prohibit any strip searches of students.  Thankfully, not all school districts are as out there as Safford.

Comment #21: FashionablyEvil  on  06/25  at  03:08 PM

Also, the advice to GET A FUCKING LAWYER is apt.  Spend a month or two trying to make things happen in the nice way.  Once that month is over, either drop the subject or get a lawyer.  The school’s made their position clear.

Comment #22: Punditus Maximus  on  06/25  at  03:12 PM

Shorter Clarence Thomas:  No one has any rights at any time.

Comment #23: keshmeshi  on  06/25  at  03:13 PM

Somehow, as soon as I saw the vote, ...

Same here ! I just knew it was Clarence Thomas.

Comment #24: PT Dennis  on  06/25  at  03:17 PM

purpleshoes, I like the idea of a laminated card.  Or maybe I’ll get lucky and my (hypothetical, future) children will go to a school like NYC public schools that prohibit strip searches of students.  It makes more sense that actual law enforcement officers should be doing the strip searches anyway, in the few cases when they truly are warranted.

Comment #25: bananacat  on  06/25  at  03:19 PM

Punditus Maximus, I must respectfully disagree.  A reading of the decision talks about the liability of the school in reference to unsettled law. The majority believes that the law is sufficiently unsettled for the school that there is, for lack of a better expression, a ‘good faith’ defense in this area.
(I personally believe this is horseshit, TLO seemed clear enough to me, Ginsberg, and Stevens, but whatever). After today’s ruling, that defense is much harder to maintain in similar circumstances.

It’s by no means great (quite frankly, I’ve always hated doctrine that argues the school is acting on behalf of the parents-I sure as hell wouldn’t let anybody do that to my kid) and in the instant case the school does not have liability, but in future cases of a similar nature that immunity may not exist (though admittedly, I would have beleived this true after TLO). Again, not great, but not a complete license to molest your students.
(I am not a lawyer).

Comment #26: Lurker 2.0  on  06/25  at  03:28 PM

a laminated card

Maybe the ACLU could make one, a la their “What to Do If You’re Stopped By the Police” card:

http://action.aclu.org/site/DocServer/know_your_rights.pdf?docID=161

Comment #27: Hector B.  on  06/25  at  03:30 PM

While you’re doing laminated cards, get a second one for the kid to have in their underwear, that says “Congratulations on having found this. Now you are well and truly f****d.”

Comment #28: Lymis  on  06/25  at  03:35 PM

Shorter Clarence Thomas:  No one has any rights at any time.

Except for me at my SCOTUS confirmation hearings. That’s explicitly in the Constitution somewhere, I just know it.

Comment #29: RickMassimo  on  06/25  at  03:42 PM

I’m disappointed regarding the damages, but this is a win for reason and it should help ensure similar things don’t happen in the future.  So, to answer Amanda’s question about the reach of the case, I think it will be significant, but not huge.  All the Court really did was apply a previous test they had established in a case from the 80s.  This test had been confusing some of the lower federal courts, and to the extent that the Supreme Court helped to clarify it’s application, this is a good case. 

This case was not like the Caperton case that was decided a few weeks ago.  That was largely based on its extreme facts and it’s hard to imagine it will be used for much.  The facts in Redding are extreme to any reasonable person, but they are also not entirely uncommon.  Caperton was basically a one-off instance where a guy bought himself a justice on a state supreme court. 

So, what happened here?  The Court says that if you’re looking for drugs, you have to have some additional suspicion about the drugs that makes it reasonable to think you will find them in a strip search. The court actually says that strip searches are categorically different from normal searches of outer clothing and backpacks, and consequently, school officials have to meet a higher burden if they want to go there.  In this case, they would have needed some additional evidence to at least make it likely that Savana was carrying drugs with her on that day, but even if they had that evidence, they could not conduct this search unless they thought she might have dangerous drugs.  And, look, ibuprofen ain’t dangerous. 

So, again, this is a good case, it should influence future cases, and it should make strip searches less likely.  The thing it doesn’t do is say anything about zero tolerance policies.  The court specifically refused to do that.  (see the first footnote)

Comment #30: Reece  on  06/25  at  03:48 PM

Lymis:

people can pretty anything else on underpants, why not that? I sense a revenue opportunity.
(I know, I know, kids would be suspended or sent home for wearing a shirt that said “I do not consent to a search…”)

Comment #31: paul  on  06/25  at  03:50 PM

A bit of clarification: there were two girls involved in the case. The tipster said that one had given him a pill and this girl was taken to the office where they did find that she had some ibuprofen and naproxen. She also had a day planner with knives and lighters in it and they found a razor in her pocket (she was also strip searched but doesn’t seem to have sued). The first girl said that all of this was given to her by Savana, the girl in this case (they were friends and the day planner was Savana’s). The justice’s said this gave the officials reason to search Savana’s backpack and jacket, but all of them (except, of course, Thomas) thought it did not give them the right to do a strip search.

I agree with Ginsburg and Stevens that this should have been obvious (well, obvious from a non-lawyer’s knowledge) from earlier rulings and so the officials should be liable (it should be noted that the Court did not rule that the school district was not liable, so that will go back to lower courts).

Comment #32: JohnL  on  06/25  at  03:55 PM

You know, if I get a call to pick up my kid at school and my kid is either drugged or drunk, I don’t think I’m going to blame the school or another kid (unless there is some evidence that my kid was forcefully dosed).  I’m going to deal with my own kid as responsible for his own actions.

This is the logical downside of infantiziling kids. 1)not giving them the information they need to protect themselves (and, no, DARE does not do that - prescription drugs are a big problem and the most likely problem a kid will face, but absent from that curriculum), and 2) micromanaging their every move and treating them all like kindergarten kids with bad intent ineveitably leads to bad decisionmaking in the kids and power trips in the adults.  We all hear abuot all the “bad things”, but these are generally ANECDOTES.  The actual DATA on dangers in childhood and teen years points in radically different directions.  The first few lines about “kids growing up too soon and even sooner” is utter and complete and totally unhinged unsupported BULLSHIT, yet the papers continue the stupid ass meme apace.

Comment #33: Ms Kate  on  06/25  at  04:07 PM

It’s waaaaay too “Spare the rod, spoil the child” for me.

Yes, and it comes back to Thomas having been raised by an abusive grandfather. This guy would do insane things, like disabling the heater in his new truck because a heated cab would have made Thomas and his brother “lazy.” He also did mundane things like beat the boys (which he, of course, justified as “whippings”).

It’s a real shame (but not a surprise) that being raised like that would fuck someone up. The bigger shame is that Thomas is now in a position to inflict his neuroses on the nation at large for decades to come.

Comment #34: Bitter Scribe  on  06/25  at  05:06 PM

This, from the president of Long Dong Silver’s fan club?

I’m surprised that Thomas didn’t also claim the Fourth Amendment gives school the “leeway” to secretly videotape teen girls showering after gym class to make sure that none are hiding Tylenols between their sweet, nubile breasts.

Comment #35: CHV  on  06/25  at  05:08 PM

Yes, Clarence Thomas is the biggest prick of all time and no this ruling isn’t perfect. I concur with most commenters but let me add one more reason why I think this ruling stops short. I don’t think schools should be able to search ANYTHING a student owns (especially their body) without serious probable cause, like enough dirt on a kid to get a search warrant. Go ahead and search desks and lockers because those belong to the school, but kids have just as much of a right to privacy as adults. I’m for the laminated card someone suggested earlier but I’d like it to include lines about not searching back packs, purses, wallets, jackets, etc. without a parent or attorney present.

Comment #36: DC Fem  on  06/25  at  05:24 PM

I don’t think schools should be able to search ANYTHING a student owns (especially their body) without serious probable cause, like enough dirt on a kid to get a search warrant.

I’ll take it even farther than that.  They shouldn’t be able to search anything the student owns for any reason.  If there is enough evidence to get a search warrant, then they should let the police handle the warrant and the search.  At least police are trained to do searches as safely as possible, and they should theoretically know about rights and stuff.

Comment #37: bananacat  on  06/25  at  05:35 PM

Reinforces my long-held sentiment that Clarence Thomas is by far the worst person on the Court.

Comment #38: Whispers  on  06/25  at  05:46 PM

DC Fem, we used to trade that kind of information in high school (incipient civil libertarians the lot of us) and again, because my social group had professorial-type, privileged parents, I think the general conclusion was that even if you did have something in your bag, it was better to insist you have your parents there when it was searched because most reasonable lefty parents would protect your right to public due process even while they grounded you for the rest of your life in private. Of course I never had anything worse than dayquil, but I also thought it was a general sign of good judgment in my friends.

Comment #39: purpleshoes  on  06/25  at  05:50 PM

I don’t think it’s so much that Thomas is obsessed with teenage girls per se; I think he’s just an authoritarian who will uphold any denial of rights for any reason. No one has the right to disobey authority in Thomas’ world, no matter how unreasonable the authority’s demands might be.

Comment #40: Jerry Vinokurov  on  06/25  at  06:13 PM

Jerry, does the name Anita Hill mean anything to you?  The jerk is a perv.

Comment #41: Ms Kate  on  06/25  at  06:47 PM

Sure it does. I’m just saying, as much as I don’t like Thomas, I don’t think I believe he’s a pedophile.

Comment #42: Jerry Vinokurov  on  06/25  at  06:48 PM

“ome of us in the blogosphere were worried about this case, because some of the judges (even liberalish ones) were asking questions that seemed insufficiently aware of how humiliating a strip search can be or how ridiculous it is to forbid teenagers to have harmless over the counter pain medications or how awful it is that the school is enabling teenage bullying by allowing student “tips” to be reason enough for strip searches, with no willingness to punish kids who use this to get their enemies. “

I think sometimes the court hashes all this out for the same reason that talk show hosts ask their guests, “so what’s the name of your new book/album/show?”  It’s not because they don’t know, it’s so that people reading their deliberations later will know what they were thinking.  The questions were asked and answered and the judge took that issue into account.

Comment #43: oldfeminist  on  06/25  at  09:05 PM

I dunno, I think rx. suspicion for a weapon should be enough to get kids at school searched.  But other than that, yeah, probable cause and police is what it should really be.

Another thing (that one of the dissents, I think Ginsburg’s) may have pointed out—they apparently had Savana sit in the hall for TWO HOURS.  This shows their was no feeling of immediacy (and how, pray tell, is and observed child going to make use of the dangerous, dangerous ibuprofen?) on their parts, in which case they should have CALLED HER PARENTS.  I think that their conduct, aside from violating the child’s rights, also prevented the parents from protecting their own child, which I find almost as horrific.

Comment #44: Ismone  on  06/25  at  09:13 PM

Nah, oldfeminist, this bench usually tips their hands.  It was all over Gonzales v. Carhart.  I wonder if RBG or thinking about their own daughters didn’t shame them into action.

Comment #45: Ismone  on  06/25  at  09:14 PM

I’m just wondering, in a ruling where he is the sole dissenter, a ruling supported even by the likes of Scalia, Alito, and Roberts—legally, how wacky are his arguments in the dissent?

If even that ghastly trio of rightists couldn’t join him in dissent—if even Scalia couldn’t turn his smarmy but sharp legal mind toward prettying it up somehow—I guess Thomas must have pretty much dissented from the entire tradition of rule of law.

Which I suppose is what I’d expect. I’m just surprised none of the others joined him. But glad.

Comment #46: Mark Foxwell  on  06/25  at  09:23 PM

Also, regarding the ominous vibes we were discussing back a couple months ago in the questioning, where some of us were raking Breyer over the coals for his obtuse-seeming questions—I wondered then (I think I posted it too) whether he was not just putting himself on the record in the talk-show manner oldfeminist suggested here, but actually doing a dialectical thing whereby he was trying to force the rightists on the court to face the issue without evasion. To shame them if they had shame, or at least cut off any avenues of plausible deniability.

And if that’s what Breyer was doing—well, perhaps it worked. Perhaps it would have been redundant since Scalia, Alito, and Roberts apparently all have daughters—but perhaps they only had to face what their daughters would think of them if they ruled in favor of the school district once Breyer had laid the groundwork—otherwise they could have have said, “tut-tut, my dear(s), I didn’t think of it that way when I ruled!”

Or maybe Breyer was really that clueless—but if so, he at least wasn’t afraid to look like a fool amending it.

And if he knew what he was doing, it had more impact coming from him on these reactionaries than if it had all come from Ginsburg’s questions. Sad to say.

Definitely need more women on the court.

I really don’t watch the news much, just see the stuff in passing from my parents’ TV. So what’s all this about Sotomayor breaking her collarbone, and does it put any kind of crimp on her nomination process? ‘Cause I want her on the Court, pronto!

Comment #47: Mark Foxwell  on  06/25  at  09:33 PM

Good article and discussion.  I have been following this story for awhile, waiting for the decision, and am very pleased. Also, I definitely share some of the concerns and anger of the posters, particularly regarding the baffling level of social and intellectual insensitivity or ignorance, even among the assenting justices.  Seriously, where did these people grow up?

I was in (public, big city) middle and high school in the 70s, and received the so-called well-intentioned in loco parentis treatment, even though back then, it meant swats if you were late for gym, and naked swats, in front of everyone in the general area, if you did something really bad, like getting caught smoking cigarettes.  This punishment always happened in gym hour, boys only. (There were actual mind-altering drugs all over the the place, but it was pre-advil, and the powers were still in denial about the real drug use in the 70s.)

As far as possibly illegal searches went, they were routine.  I do not remember anyone being strip-searched, but I do remember the entire school being searched whenever the authorities felt like it.  They did not have to show cause for any search of any type.  I do not remember whether females in general were treated any differently.  I do know that certain individuals were treated differently, and it was always the boys in leather jackets, the girls who dressed “provocatively”, the kids who got bad grades, and the “hippies” of which I was one, I guess.  I quickly learned to cut my hair and keep my grades up, so that I could do anything I wanted.

Sorry for the anecdotal crap, but it goes to my point, which is that expecting school administrators to make good judgments about how to treat a situation like the one in this case, within the complex dynamics of a school, is problematic.

Which is why the ruling by the supremes is correct.  Which is why administrators need to have the riot act read to them.  Which is why they need to get their asses kicked legally.  They displayed to the world at large that they need guidance, at the very least.

And the other posters have said it so eloquently:  Who would <u>ever</u> think this was OK?

Thomas, I guess.  Thanks, BTW, for the analysis of the individual justices’ positions.

Comment #48: ereador  on  06/26  at  02:23 AM

The thing which makes clear that this was just crazy people getting off on hurting a kid is the 2-hour waiting period with no parental phone call.  That’s a sign of a set of folks who are totally out of control, just flailing about causing damage.  I wonder how much of this had to do with the first kid apparently actually being a nutbar. 

We’ll never know, of course, because the school district had two choices—fire immediately and settle or CYA, and they chose CYA.  Hardly surprising; kids are never the first priority for our schools.  But still.

Comment #49: Punditus Maximus  on  06/26  at  06:16 AM

ome of us in the blogosphere were worried about this case, because some of the judges (even liberalish ones) were asking questions that seemed insufficiently aware of ... how awful it is that the school is enabling teenage bullying by allowing student “tips” to be reason enough for strip searches, with no willingness to punish kids who use this to get their enemies.

Hey, if it’s a good enough justification for beating Afghanis to death in secret prisons, and it’s a good enough justification for dropping multiple tons of high explosives on wedding parties, what do you expect?

Comment #50: Dunc  on  06/26  at  08:29 AM

I don’t know about you guys, but getting spanked worked on me. I learned real quick to respect my parents and their rules; of course, at least when I was little they made sure to reinforce the fact that they loved me, but what I did was wrong. As I got older, and I developed attachments to material things and concepts such as free time, I started losing those as punishment because that works better than spankings. You know this reminds me of some stories of the days when my dad was in school. In one case, a student seriously mouthed off to a math teacher, who just closed his book and whacked him in the head with it. In another case, a student referred to an Italian gym teacher as a wop (which is the Italian equivalent of nigger and spic). The teacher grabbed the student, lifted him in the air and put him up against some lockers, then chewed on him for calling him that and how disrespectful it is. In both cases, the students learned the errors of their ways and to respect the teachers. It really does take a village to raise a child, and teachers are part of that village, who need to be respected for what they do.

Now as for the searches, in my experience only whiny entitlement-happy kids and those who possessed items they weren’t supposed to were upset about it.

Comment #51: The Gray Train  on  06/26  at  09:53 PM

Shorter Gray Train:  “People don’t mind being surveilled and searched if they have nothing to hide.  Authority figures can use any means they like to push kids around.”

Privacy is a real right.

Comment #52: oldfeminist  on  06/26  at  11:30 PM
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